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Replacing the cable on an AKG k601

post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 

I've come to the tentative conclusion that the cable on my AKG k601 needs to be replaced.  I was wondering if anyone knows how to grab an original AKG k601 cable, or perhaps better, has modded their AKG k601 (or 701) to have a detachable, higher-quality cable.

 

Back Story:

I first noticed problems when the left channel started occasionally crapping out.  I could move the cable around and kind of get it to work, but it wouldn't last long.  The other issue was that there was a strange "fluttering" sound whenever the cable was moved around.

 

I ended up taking apart the cans.  I resoldered most if not all the connections, and found that still the problem persisted. 

 

Now, I could be wrong about my conclusion about the cable, and if so, let me know if you think I should do something else.

 

Thanks in advance! :)
 

post #2 of 20

Your post strikes a chord, or should I say, strikes a cord, haha, because I have the same problem.

I just got a used K601 whose left channel is out. Right after receipt I determined that the cable connection is defective at the housing, probably because there's a broken wire in the cable after years of use. If I hold the cable in a certain position I get both channels just fine. I had the same issue with an old pair of K240DFs last year. It cost $70 to replace it via AKG/Harman repair shop. Obviously this can happen to well-used AKG phones, maybe others as well.

So---how to fix it? I would prefer to get a connector installed so this won’t happen again and I could easily install an aftermarket cable if the fancy strikes. I got the exterior grill to pop off with little difficulty, but the part 23 is very hard to squeeze to expose the latches underneath. I got one side exposed but still couldn’t pop the latch loose and lift the thing, and it meant the other side was even harder to move. You have to have a grip like a vise. I think a special tool is needed. I don't want to risk fracturing a part or scratching the phones trying to save a few bucks.

After the innards are exposed, does cable replacement mean unsoldering and resoldering old and new cable to the driver? I am not trained in thoracic surgery and don’t want to fry my patient’s vital organs. The K601-701 driver is quite sensitive to heat, I hear tell.

Maybe the prudent solution is to have somebody do it who has the skill and experience. Suggestions? Cable vendor? I shouldn’t be investing too much in older cans where something else could go wrong next year..


Edited by renlute - 11/3/10 at 8:24am
post #3 of 20

K601wiring.JPG

Which wire is the culprit? Yellow? The point of the break would be at or just outside where the cable enters the lid/housing.K601wiring2.jpg

 

 

 

post #4 of 20
Thread Starter 

So you've got the exact same model as I have.  You need to slowly pull off that final top portion that has "Reference Headphones" written on it, and then solder off all connections to that cable.

 

I got a new AKG cable from JBL, I believe.  The number I used was 1-800-852-5776.  I left a message the first time I called and no response, so I called him back, and got him to ship me the cable.  He was very nice and basically told me that the first thing to go wrong with these cans is the cable, so I'm definitely going down the right track.

 

They've moved to a split-ground design, where there's a ground for both left and right channels.  My headphone was older, as is yours, so I only had three lines coming out of my older cable.  It doesn't matter (nor should it) which ground line you pick for the left or the right channel.  Although the spec diagram above says to use black for the ground on the right channel, I used it for the left channel (swap white and black).  Mind you, I was guessing about all this, but it definitely worked like a charm, so I'm pretty sure I got it all right.  The reason I used the black line was that it was longer, and thus easier to feed it into the left channel driver.

 

Unfortunately I managed to scratch up the circular grill on the outside of the can (the ones you needed to remove with needle-nose tweezers).  I'm thinking of spray-painting them over with a different color to give them a bit more of a personal touch.

post #5 of 20
Thread Starter 

Also, no need for a special tool to get that final lid off the unit.  Just work it slowly and carefully and it'll come off.


Edited by cello - 11/3/10 at 5:40am
post #6 of 20

I think my best solution is going to be to replace the old cable with a mini-XLR connector. I shouldn’t have to be soldering around the driver.

Would a K702 connector and cable work with this can? According to the 702 service manual, there are also 3 wires – red, yellow, and white. That stands to reason since the 702 is essentially the same as the 701, and the 701 shares its service manual with the 601.

The big problem remains how to get that bleeping lid to come off. Maybe I should fly cello out here to the West Coast so he can show me how to do it, LOL. That piece is very happy staying right where it is and does not want to move.  I can’t get a good grip on it. I need a pair of long pliers with curved nose that will securely hold each side of the lid at the lower edge and allow me to depress the sides enough to expose the tabs underneath.  I don’t understand how working it slowly (and of course I’m being careful not to harm it) will get it off, since to me it seems that a matter of concentrated force is all that’s going to work.
lid23.jpg

 

 

post #7 of 20
Thread Starter 

Here's how I got that lid off:  I got some leverage by pulling on one of the two "pointy" areas that attach to the outer band of the headphones.

 

Pull up on one side first, and at some point, it'll pop out of the band.  Then work on the other one.  Once you've done that, it should be relatively easy.

post #8 of 20

Ha, I finally succeeded. Not easy, and I don’t recall exactly at which point of the lid I finally got the sucker to start cooperating. Here are a couple stages in the removal.

Be aware that the little sections that meet and mostly surround the headband wires fit very snugly around the wires and will try to prevent you from lifting at that end. They pull fairly hard even after the lid tabs are clear of the ring, part 17. Start at the other side.

I finally got one side to release the tab and lift, then kept working it up and lifting the opposite side. Eventually it dawned on me that the headband wires were holding me up, so I worked opposite them and it gradually came loose without my scratching or breaking anything.
LidRemovalStep1.JPGLidRemovalStep2.jpg

 

 

 

 

 

 

post #9 of 20

LidRemovalStep4.jpg
Finally you have to get the cable away from those little brown clamp posts just shy of the end of the cable.. Here I busted a post because the manufacturer glued the rubber cable endpiece and I couldn’t slice it loose. A minor issue.

So now it’s on to getting the appropriate mini-XLR and a new cable.

 

 

post #10 of 20

This is why some AKG phones lose the left (or maybe right) channel after a few years of regular use.

FrayedWire.JPG

 

The yellow wire, input to the left channel, is badly frayed about the point where it would have gotten the most wear, right at the edge of the ear cup.

post #11 of 20
Thread Starter 
Great job, renlute. Looks like you got it off differently than I did, but I'm happy you got it off. What I did at this point is solder off that cable, pulled it off the assembly (it's glued on there - I realized this the hard way), then bought a new one.
post #12 of 20
Thread Starter 

Well... first of all, listen to renlute about getting that piece off.  It turns out I was wrong - you should squeeze the frame to pull out the bottom and pull the top tabs off second.

 

Second of all, I had a bad solder joint on the left driver, so I went in and resoldered it, and now I'm getting no sound out of the left driver at all.  I think I just frickin blew out the driver!!

 

:( :(

 

Any way I can confirm this (aside from soldering the right input to the left driver)?

 

I hate these frickin headphones.  Never buy them!

 

:(

 

post #13 of 20
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Originally Posted by cello View Post

Well... first of all, listen to renlute about getting that piece off.  It turns out I was wrong - you should squeeze the frame to pull out the bottom and pull the top tabs off second.

 

Second of all, I had a bad solder joint on the left driver, so I went in and resoldered it, and now I'm getting no sound out of the left driver at all.  I think I just frickin blew out the driver!!

 

:( :(

 

Any way I can confirm this (aside from soldering the right input to the left driver)?

 

I hate these frickin headphones.  Never buy them!

 

:(

 


you need to heat up the post for a period of time before bringing the wire from the driver to solder to the post.  if heating both up at the same time, your heating up the driver before the larger post that can sink a lot of heat.  

 

heat the post until it whets solder, then bring the wire to the post, and then solder both together.  this will reduce the heat time to the drivers and not leave you with a cold joint or fried driver.  

 

also, this is enameled wire which needs to be burned off before soldering.  so if you stripped any wire to get a fresh end, you need to burn the enamel off.   


Edited by fishski13 - 11/12/10 at 7:57pm
post #14 of 20

Oh I am so sorry to hear that, cello. The K601 driver does seem to be sensitive to heat -- I heard from another head-fier recently who had also fried one of them.  

 

I am a total novice at soldering, so no way would I ever go near the driver. Fortunately I don't have to. I just sliced open the cable to expose the frayed wire and soldered that, which is pretty easy even for a noob. The other two wires are approaching the end of their life at that same point of the cable. After taking care that they were not touching each other, I had a listen -- haha, success. Both channels loud and clear.

 

So now starts the research on cable replacement. I could go the cheap route and just cut the old cable and reattach somehow. I did keep that little squarish endpiece though I mangled it a bit. Or I replace it with a new one from AKG/Harman. I am also toying with the idea of hooking up an XLR cable but am unsure how to attach the connector to the headphone. An XLR cable is durned hard to disengage from its connector, in my limited experience.

 

With an XLR connection, then I have no worries about cable replacement down the road, and can experiment with aftermarket cables if the fancy strikes and budget permits. I'm not ambitious enough to try balancing the rig, especially after reading about fried drivers.

post #15 of 20
Thread Starter 

OK - more news.  This is quite amazing...

 

After talking on another forum (the AKG k601 appreciation forum), I discovered that the problem with these drivers is that the little tiny filament that connects the driver to the "poles" around the driver is very delicate, and can break.  It turns out that the connection was indeed broken.  So all I did was put on a little bit of solder on the underside of the pole for the ground connection to the driver, and voila - it started working again!

 

The AKG k601s are back together now, and sounding like when I first bought them.

 

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