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Originally Posted by Armaegis View Post
 

I'd go with the D4. The e10 needs a laptop or compatible android device, and that will kill your battery life.

Okay, problem is, the price on the auction just spiked, and is at about 50 bucks now... is it worth it to bid?

 

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Originally Posted by devhen View Post
 

 

Why get the 600 ohm version for portable use? Its no better than the 32 or 250 ohm versions and you'll have a much harder time reaching the volume levels you need. I recommend the 250 ohm version if you plan on also using them with a desktop amp at some point, or the 32 ohm version (or the 80 ohm version in the case of the 770s) if they will be used exclusively as portables.

True, the 600 ohm version is available used locally, the 250 ohm or 80 ohm professional ones (even the 32 ohm) are available locally new. I would like to have a good balance between portability and for at home. Would the D4 be able to power the 250 ohm version? the 600? If not, what amp (affordable please) would?

 

Thanks for all your help, very much appreciated :)

post #1592 of 1643
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Originally Posted by DavePCCH View Post

 

True, the 600 ohm version is available used locally, the 250 ohm or 80 ohm professional ones (even the 32 ohm) are available locally new. I would like to have a good balance between portability and for at home. Would the D4 be able to power the 250 ohm version? the 600? If not, what amp (affordable please) would?

 

Thanks for all your help, very much appreciated :)

 

You mean the iBasso D4 right? The 250 ohm version is the most versatile. It should work well with the D4 and if you get a more powerful amp down the road, or a tube amp, the 250 ohm will work well with those as well. That's the one I would get as long as I was always using an amplifier. For plugging directly into portable devices and computers you'd want the 32 or 80 ohm version.

post #1593 of 1643
Okay, thanks for that. I'm not sure yet, that's the problem. I'm looking into various options, even getting IEMs and not headphones at all, but if I can and the budget allows, I'd get the iBasso D4, a little dot Mk Ii and the dt 770 250 ohm pros (only ones I can get locally). But since there are no guarantees that the prices stay low, I might not be able to.

Should I get the desktop tube amp ober the portable D4? If I could only get one? Or should I go for a lower impedance headphones? (80 ohm?) would I be able to drive the 250 ohm from a pc sound card at a decent volume and from a zune too? (knowing that there will be sacrifices, or is it unbearably bad without an amp?)

Sorry if I'm overwhelming with my questions, I just don't want to spend hard saved money on something not worth it.

Thanks so much!
post #1594 of 1643

It sounds like you want to be able to plug directly into a computer or your Zune so I'd recommend the 80 ohm version. You're really not sacrificing any sound quality and you're getting a more useful headphone. You'll still be able to plug them into more powerful amps, they just won't require quite as much volume.

 

If you were listening exclusively on a tube amp I'd recommend the 250 ohm because tube amps (particularly OTL tube amps) generally have high output impedances and high impedance headphones are more ideal for that situation but for the situation you describe I would get the 80 ohm. You'll still be able to use them with more powerful amps and even tube amps in the future while at the same time getting more usable volume out of a computer or portable device than with the other models.

post #1595 of 1643
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Originally Posted by DavePCCH View Post
 

Okay, problem is, the price on the auction just spiked, and is at about 50 bucks now... is it worth it to bid?

 

$50 is still dirt cheap for the D4...

post #1596 of 1643
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Originally Posted by devhen View Post

It sounds like you want to be able to plug directly into a computer or your Zune so I'd recommend the 80 ohm version. You're really not sacrificing any sound quality and you're getting a more useful headphone. You'll still be able to plug them into more powerful amps, they just won't require quite as much volume.

If you were listening exclusively on a tube amp I'd recommend the 250 ohm because tube amps (particularly OTL tube amps) generally have high output impedances and high impedance headphones are more ideal for that situation but for the situation you describe I would get the 80 ohm. You'll still be able to use them with more powerful amps and even tube amps in the future while at the same time getting more usable volume out of a computer or portable device than with the other models.

Hmm... Okay, sounds reasonable. Does the 80 ohm model sacrifice on sound quality though? Or on something else (I hear about sibilance)?

I'll see if I can get the 80 ohm version then, and depending on the development on the amp situation, maybe the 250 ohm.

Thanks a lot!
post #1597 of 1643
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Originally Posted by DavePCCH View Post

Hmm... Okay, sounds reasonable. Does the 80 ohm model sacrifice on sound quality though? Or on something else (I hear about sibilance)?

 

No. There can be a lot of driver variance from one 770 to the next so its possible that one will sound more sibilant than another but its not directly correlated to what ohm version you have. Just get the ones that match best to what you're amping them with and definitely get the 80 ohm if you want good volume from portable devices or computers.

post #1598 of 1643
I just tested a used (but good condition) DT770 80 ohm with fiio e07k ( vol 50,pc volume max, player Aimp3 vol 75%) and they sounded waaay too weak. Comparing directly to Sennheiser hd212 32 ohm it was expected to sound louder due to impedance, but thr dt770 sound like they are defective. The sound seems to be more refined, better highs, mids...maibe lows ok, but without volume there is no life in them. The e07k suposed to drive up to 150 ohm, so what could be the problem? I also have Monster Turbine Pro Copper and Sennheiser hd212 that just hurts my ears after e07k at volume 40, but the dt770 olny whispers.
post #1599 of 1643
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Originally Posted by lbanias View Post

I just tested a used (but good condition) DT770 80 ohm with fiio e07k ( vol 50,pc volume max, player Aimp3 vol 75%) and they sounded waaay too weak. Comparing directly to Sennheiser hd212 32 ohm it was expected to sound louder due to impedance, but thr dt770 sound like they are defective. The sound seems to be more refined, better highs, mids...maibe lows ok, but without volume there is no life in them. The e07k suposed to drive up to 150 ohm, so what could be the problem? I also have Monster Turbine Pro Copper and Sennheiser hd212 that just hurts my ears after e07k at volume 40, but the dt770 olny whispers.

 

How loud headphones get is based not only on their impedance but also their sensitivity. The 770/880/990 have pretty low sensitivity.

 

First of all, turn your music player app to 100% volume. You always want to send a full signal to your amp otherwise you're losing potential volume. Try that and use higher than 50% volume on the e07k and it should be able to get the 770s plenty loud enough for you.

post #1600 of 1643
I had everything a max , except fiio e07k that was 50 out of 60,but belive me I could not feel the bass impact that dt770 supposed to deliver and this was mainly due to low volume obtained. At the same volume Sennheiser hd212 hurt my ears and sounded bloated in bass. 98db vs 112db SPL can be so obvious?
post #1601 of 1643
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Originally Posted by lbanias View Post

I had everything a max , except fiio e07k that was 50 out of 60,but belive me I could not feel the bass impact that dt770 supposed to deliver and this was mainly due to low volume obtained. At the same volume Sennheiser hd212 hurt my ears and sounded bloated in bass. 98db vs 112db SPL can be so obvious?

 

That's a 14dB difference, so i'd say yeah, it's pretty obvious.

 

I had some similar issues with the DT770 and my DX50, i had non of this bass that everyone seems to love about the DT770 and even tried on all 3 gain stages, and still nothing. I gave up after that, at least for now. It's pretty weird though, considering i had no issues using a LCD-2 or an HD600 right out of the HO...

post #1602 of 1643

Hi,

 

I was reading info on the DT770 32ohm. And came across measurements made by goldenears. Quite interestug to see the difference in measurements between the 770 32 ohm and the 770 pro lte 32 ohm.

 

770 32ohm http://en.goldenears.net/3579

 

770 pro lte 32 ohm http://en.goldenears.net/index.php?mid=GR_Headphones&document_srl=26441

 

The normal one is the signature i am interested in and the pro version is not the one i like.

 

So how can people say that these are the same headphones if the measurements are so different?

When reading teh description it seems that OP is describing the pro version.

 

So which is hthe bassheavy headset? the 770 pro 80 ohm?

post #1603 of 1643

I got a set of Dt 770 Manufaktur 32 ohm. Nice clean all black look. Even got the receipt, these babys were expensive 3 years ago.

Btw is the warranty 2 years for these babies or 5 year because it is a manufaktur model? Manufaktur means you can build your own headphone to your own specs.

Couldn;t resist getting my hands on these 770.

 

Anyway i dont get it why people call these cans bass heavy. Definitely not more than my Jaycars. I run them with my Godap GD003.

What springs out is the highs. More highs than my other headphones.Doesnt exatly sparkle or go sibilant. But definitely stands out. Wow not sure i can get used to it. Not so neutral compared with my jaycars because of the highs. Mids not forward, maybe slight recessed.

Bass is there. But definitely no basscans.

 

Btw would changing the blackverlours to the pleather pads make it sound similar to the pro 32? Would the bass improve?

 

Wow really detailed and quite unforgiving. Real light and quite comfortable. better even than my jaycars.


Edited by tan1415 - 12/22/13 at 3:35pm
post #1604 of 1643

Pleather pads increase bass, tame treble and help isolation on the DT770.

post #1605 of 1643

Not all 32 ohm versions sound the same, not all 80 ohm versions sounds the same, not all 600 ohm versions sound the same, and so on. Unfortunately, you're not experiencing the variance between the different ohm versions, you're experiencing standard driver variance. And driver variance is quite high with 770s. The 770/880/990 use the same drivers. My theory is that Beyerdynamic is using the most inconsistent drivers in the 770s, it being the lowest-end model of the three, because there are always a lot of varying reports of how bassy or bright individual 770s are while 880s and 990s seem to be significantly more consistent. All headphones have standard driver variance, the 770s just seem to be particularly widely varied. And don't confuse this with driver matching which refers to matching the two drivers in a single headphone. Despite having wide driver variance, the 770s do not typically have issues with unmatched drivers.

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