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Originally Posted by devhen View Post

 

Both the DT880 and DT990 are outstanding "bangs for the buck" in their "Pro" variants. The DT880 Pro can be had for slightly more than $200 while the DT990 Pro can be had for around $175. At those prices they are two of the best buys in headphones.

 

DT880 = Semi-open and more neutral

DT990 = Fully open with more bass and treble

 

I havent lisented to DT880, only DT990 and DT770, ended up buying DT990 because of its oppennes and all around better reviews I read at the time. Using a simple Fiio dac/amp which reduces the treble a little I really enjoy the this headphone. It really is a good bang  for the buck at that price point.

 

I should also add that its bass slam is very nice and rivals XB500, and over all in cotrast to XB500 as a basshead's headphone I think its bass is more controlled and detailed without ever leaping to mids and bloating the sound.

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I'm considering getting 990's but don't know what Ohm version to get. The 600 Ohm is apparently the definitive version according to the review on page 1 but more expensive than I want to pay. The 250 Ohm is very affordable, slightly less than half the price of the 600 Ohm.

Could someone tell me if I would be happy enough with the 250 Ohm Pro?

 

I currently use Sennheiser HD580 300Ohm headphones, bought many years ago and the only full size headphones of any quality that I've ever owned. So I've no experience of anything else to compare to.

 

I had considered 770's at first, but I do prefer as wide a soundstage as I can get and I'm aware that closed headphones reduce that. I have a headphone amp but it's used elsewhere at the moment so I tend to plug directly into my old NAD 3130 amp. The 580's sound great to me through this amp.

 

Firstly, is my amp even capable of handling 600 Ohm headphones? If not, then of course it rules the 600 Ohm version out which would make life simpler in choosing.

 

Secondly, is there enough of a difference in sound signature between HD580's and DT990's to make it a worthwhile purchase? I'm going to make the assumption that the difference between mine and the DT990 is pretty much like the DT990 v HD600's since apparently the HD600 is not hugely different from mine, Would that be fair?

 

It's not that I'm bored of my 580's, and I know I'll never tire of them. The amount of years I've owned these and replaced foampads is testament to that. But I just fancy something different to swap between. Also, they look so nice! And are they as comfy as the Sennheisers, light on the head, that you forget you have them on?

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Originally Posted by firstwat View Post

 

I havent lisented to DT880, only DT990 and DT770, ended up buying DT990 because of its oppennes and all around better reviews I read at the time. Using a simple Fiio dac/amp which reduces the treble a little I really enjoy the this headphone. It really is a good bang  for the buck at that price point.

 

I should also add that its bass slam is very nice and rivals XB500, and over all in cotrast to XB500 as a basshead's headphone I think its bass is more controlled and detailed without ever leaping to mids and bloating the sound.

 

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Originally Posted by DRuM View Post

I'm considering getting 990's but don't know what Ohm version to get. The 600 Ohm is apparently the definitive version according to the review on page 1 but more expensive than I want to pay. The 250 Ohm is very affordable, slightly less than half the price of the 600 Ohm.

Could someone tell me if I would be happy enough with the 250 Ohm Pro?

 

I currently use Sennheiser HD580 300Ohm headphones, bought many years ago and the only full size headphones of any quality that I've ever owned. So I've no experience of anything else to compare to.

 

I had considered 770's at first, but I do prefer as wide a soundstage as I can get and I'm aware that closed headphones reduce that. I have a headphone amp but it's used elsewhere at the moment so I tend to plug directly into my old NAD 3130 amp. The 580's sound great to me through this amp.

 

Firstly, is my amp even capable of handling 600 Ohm headphones? If not, then of course it rules the 600 Ohm version out which would make life simpler in choosing.

 

Secondly, is there enough of a difference in sound signature between HD580's and DT990's to make it a worthwhile purchase? I'm going to make the assumption that the difference between mine and the DT990 is pretty much like the DT990 v HD600's since apparently the HD600 is not hugely different from mine, Would that be fair?

 

It's not that I'm bored of my 580's, and I know I'll never tire of them. The amount of years I've owned these and replaced foampads is testament to that. But I just fancy something different to swap between. Also, they look so nice! And are they as comfy as the Sennheisers, light on the head, that you forget you have them on?

One thing you should note is the 600 ohm Variants of the Byer cans should only  be purchased if your going to pair them with amps in that price range as well. $400,500 600+ amps that can really take advantage of the higher ohm ratings. Personally imo, the 250 PRO versions are my favorite. They pair well with the samp amps not to mention you can use them with Portable Music players, the easy to drive 250s will be wonderfully fantastic and I know you'll enjoy them! I loved my Pro 880 and Pro 990,

 

Trust me, the lower ohm versions are an excellent bargin! I wouldn't worry about getting the 600 ohm versions until you have around $1000 to spend on them and an amp, as the 250 sound just as fantastic. Again, from what I've heard and read the 600 ohms are only better when you have an amp to drive them with. Like the Little Dot MKIV SE or something.

 

So once again, I'd get the Pro versions. they are cheaper and dude... they sound awesome! I love my Dt 990 Pro and I miss my dt 880 pro so much

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Mshenay, awesome,  thanks very much! DT 990 Pro 250 Ohms it is then.smily_headphones1.gif

 

Will I notice an exciting big difference in sound signature from my 580's?

post #1505 of 1643
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Originally Posted by DRuM View Post

Mshenay, awesome,  thanks very much! DT 990 Pro 250 Ohms it is then.smily_headphones1.gif

 

Will I notice an exciting big difference in sound signature from my 580's?

I will have to read up on the 580s, but the Dt 990 250 is a Definite bass head can. But it's a very TIGHT very... deep bass. The treble is consider VERY BRIGHT by some ppl. I do not find it to be so, even with a very Lean Solid Stage amp. But you should be farmilliar with thier sound signiture.

 

Personally I find them to have to much bass for anything out side of EDM and Nu Jazz, But that's me... 

 

Either way it the Treble does not bother you, you should be enjoy them 

 

EDIT

 

So I did some reading up on the HD 598, and something the Dt 990 has is much tighter bass... MUCH. Lastly I don't know how the treble compares to the HD 598. but  though the mids should be... milder on the dt 990. I prefer  my closed w1000x and my old Dt 880 for mids personally. Although Details on the dt 990 are masterful! but that comes at a lack for real mid lushness and warmth. 

 

The Bass though adds a level of warmth in the lower mids, but the upper mids suffer. But they are never thin or veilf of lack of mid beauty. They just don't bring any majesty to the mids. Something a Senn Can might do better.

 

Still for EDM I love the Dt 990, the mids are great for vocals. Clear Crisp a touch of sweetness, it allows nice mid heavy introus and outros to b enjoyed, yet at the end of the day the BASS is the king. Super Tight and well controlled. I encourage u to resist the urge to EQ it higher and learn to feel it! 


Edited by Mshenay - 8/10/13 at 9:15am
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Mshenay you got me all freaked out now. I have the 600ohm DT990 and I run them on a E9K/E17 which is well below the your recommendations price wise. I have it at 10 high gain/ 12 low gain. Am I vastly under powering them?

I also have the MadDogs which take even more volume then the Beyer to run.

I still want a AudioGD Compass 2 badly, I have been told many times it is capable of running them.

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Thanks Mshenay. Mine aren't  598 but the 580. But yeah, I think the extra treble will definitely make an interesting contrast to the relatively soft, dare I say the signature 'veiled' treble of the 580's. There's times when I want more treble, although once I've had the 580's on for a while, my ears adjust and the treble seems enough. I think there's excellent bass on the 580's but I'm not averse to more. There are those times when I really fancy more bass even though I don't really regard myself as a basshead. So yeah, from the sound of it, the 990s should be a good choice as my second pair of cans.

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Originally Posted by Hailin View Post

Mshenay you got me all freaked out now. I have the 600ohm DT990 and I run them on a E9K/E17 which is well below the your recommendations price wise. I have it at 10 high gain/ 12 low gain. Am I vastly under powering them?

I also have the MadDogs which take even more volume then the Beyer to run.

I still want a AudioGD Compass 2 badly, I have been told many times it is capable of running them.

I'm NOT an expert. But what I have been told [and I OWNED the Mad Dogs] is for

 

the 600 ohm cans, they should sound fine out of those amps BUT it is NOT worth getting the 600 ohm if your using such low key amps. The 250 ohm variant should sound equal to the 600 ohm out of THOSE sources, So while your not underpowering it, you could have saved $100 and gotten the pros[ for roughly the same quality]. But you do have the $600 ohm and if you get a better Amp that is more able to utilize thier high impedance, at that point with those better quality more powerful amps the 600 will sound better than the 250. So my point is, if your funds are limited. Get the 250 for it's versitility if money isn't an issue then the 600 is fine to [hell I want both. one for home one for on the road!]

 

Now with the Mad Dogs, they sound better the more power you put into them. I had them and I hated them for some Genres, as the mids where to thick for my tastes. It could have been because I didn't have enough power and I had the wrong sources on them [Tube amps and THICK Tubey opAmps=Bad Dog] Again, the Mad Dogs will get better as you get better amps, but for some one on a budget it may be better to get a different set of cans to use with those amps so as to avoid that issue with scaleing. The Mad Dogs and 600 ohms should be sufficently powered, but not optimally. Like the differance between having a FULL tank of gas, and having the Little Read Bar like 1/8 of an inch from the top. It's still technically a "full tank" but you and I both now that when that red bar is over that F line it's a good feeling

 

So end of story what you have is good, it might be GREAT. But it could be even greater, and for some one like me who's on a budget and WILL be stuck in Mid Fi for another year. I could have "even greater" for less than "great." Since I'm broke, I'll have better synergy with the lower Impedance easier to drive cans than I will the Hard to drive ones. But No your not under powering them, but your not taking full adventage of them [another example] like cooking with Extra Virgin Olive Oil, it's GREAT, but using un filtered Olive Oil is like 10% better! 

 

NOW to the Dt 990 vs the HD 5x0

 

yea I love their treble, I enjoy it very much. Even with things like DnB the treble is to my ears smoother and better extended than my w1000x on the same amp [the w1000x is an $500 Audiotechnica Can mind u] So I enjoy the Treble, and the Bass is EPCLY tight. While it is MORE, it should be less to a degree as well. TIGHT bass has a different feel than more laid back bass does. It's more felt than it is heard, It doesn't linger as long either, you know it hits you HARD then it's gone. Where as more mellow cans have bass that sticks around a touch longer, and these are all Subjective things, the bass on the 990 will be louder but will shift gears faster, it will be lighter on it's feet so to speak. 

 

here's an example with a song, I'm listening to this 

 

Video RHCP (Click to show)

On the dt 990s, Flea's intial strum is very punchy very promient. As is Chads Kick drum, the energy of A finger strumming again'st a metal string, that sound has impact it's visceral as is the kick drum, now on the w1000x the sound of the Bass vibrating, the sound is more linear, the initial strum and the following decrease in visceral energy are the same [that's a horrible quality upload btw I'm enjoying flacs] 

 

Let me put it this way, on the Dt 990, the shift from high to low energy, the audible decrease in sound is more obvious on the tighter Dt 990. That inital HIT of flea's finger has the highest Apex, the MOST energy in that sound wave, as his finger moves away the string countinues to ring losing energy you know that, and that shift from high to low that is more obvious on the Dt 990, on the w1000x [a closed can with MODS to be very Tight with Bass] that shift from higher energy to lower is not as obvious, the inital impact of that strike is lost a little and more of the warmth of the vibration it self is forward, So a softer versicle bass again'st a more aggressive tighter and accurate visceral bass. The dt 990 has less bass in that rock song, because the note decays faster, the bass is Louder I guess, but then shifts to a quiter state faster. Again that accurate shift from high to low, is what makes it tigheter.

 

Now as for the Kick drum, it's much the same. Both have that KICK of the bass, both have good impact. But again the Dt 990 has a quicker shift, harder impacter and a faster exit. And ironically the w1000x and the Dt 990 have about the same volume the same sound pressure in the bass, but it's the aggression behind it that makes them different. Beacuse the w1000x is less aggressive [and not by much but by enough] the bass is not as distinct. You can overlook it and focus on the mids, where as on the Dt 990 it's just NASTY and it BAM hits you then it's gone, so it keeps your attention more. 

 

Moving on to another example, this song

 

https://soundcloud.com/cammy-cuervo/nu-tone-soul-flower-feat-ernesto-ct [Sorry no youtube for that... what a shame]

 

That's an EDM Bass Line different from Nu Jazz and rock, but it's that energy. I can hear the bass more on the w1000x, but the Dt 990 is deeper and hit's harder. That Sub Bass just comes in and jacks up your ears. And as the notes play out, shift from pitch to pitch all of that is more quitely aggressive than it is audilble. That for me makes it  more enjoyable. It's tighter, it drops it HITS and it's gone and your trying you best just to keep up with it! 

 

Now for rock, the softer bass is a little better [n trust me I've tightened the w1000x up A LOT] so the Dt 990 might take some of that mellow love out of Rock Guitar Bass [which is also heavy in lower mids, something the dt 990 misses a little of as well over the closed w1000x]

 

So they should be a good can for you, and I do like to eq a little mids in mine when I Do EdM. Just to bring voices up a little more [and by a little I mean like +2 at the most] 


Edited by Mshenay - 8/10/13 at 11:10am
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Yah I know I have to get a better amp. The choices and selections are nearly limitless.

 

I have the pros as well, I just prefer the less recessed mids of the 600ohm.(Plus I got them for a good price)

My MadDogs are honestly my go to headphone, the more and more I listen the more my ears become accustom to hearing the deep bass, and highs along with those well known mids. The MadDogs have changed how I judge headphones from now on. Honestly though I got my CALs on and have the biggest smile on my face right now. 

 

And I cook with grape seed oil it has a higher smoke temp. LOL!

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Originally Posted by Hailin View Post

Yah I know I have to get a better amp. The choices and selections are nearly limitless.

 

I have the pros as well, I just prefer the less recessed mids of the 600ohm.(Plus I got them for a good price)

My MadDogs are honestly my go to headphone, the more and more I listen the more my ears become accustom to hearing the deep bass, and highs along with those well known mids. The MadDogs have changed how I judge headphones from now on. Honestly though I got my CALs on and have the biggest smile on my face right now. 

 

And I cook with grape seed oil it has a higher smoke temp. LOL!

Omg Read my last post, and DUDE I love you! You GOT that refrance NICE bro, so you know that that higher smoke temp preserves flavors more as the oil won't break down as fast and mess with the taste, the same with your amps. Those more poweful amps are going to maintain a higher quality of sound with a 600 ohm can, because the impedance will resist being overdrive and sounding bloated. The 250 ohm is more prone to being slighty over driven, which leads to that softer bass. [The mad Dog is an OrthoDynamic so that's another day] So on that powerful amp that extra power won't be used as well by the 250 ohm, just like at a higher temp that extra viring olive oil might burn, Granted it won't taste bad [well if could] but it will add a flavor u might not want, where as your Grape Seed oil [like the 600 ohms] is going to stay nice an pure at high temps, so no risk of unwanted flavors due to oil break downs! [I love being a Foodie and an Audiophile [in reverse order]

 

That being said... DAMN I miss Net Sky an Utah Jazz... time to redwnload in LOSSLESS :D 

 

Also the Dt 990 can take Bass EQ to it better than the w1000x [or other not as tight cans] because it's tighter. So when I eq a little extra bass +5 mid +3 sub, it still keeps that tight shift and impact but just a little more of it 

 

Also the Dt 990 is more of a mid Bass can, but it has some nice Sub Bass. Check out Utah Jazz River Theme for just such an example of the kickin sub bass! 


Edited by Mshenay - 8/10/13 at 11:52am
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Originally Posted by DRuM View Post

Mshenay, awesome,  thanks very much! DT 990 Pro 250 Ohms it is then.smily_headphones1.gif

 

Will I notice an exciting big difference in sound signature from my 580's?

 

The HD580 are very similar to the HD600/650. They have a fairly even response with a slight midbass hump and a midrange that rides gently down into the treble. The HD650 is the most bass sloped of the three in comparison. All three have a fairly even handed treble response; most headphones (both open and closed) have a bit of a treble wobble. 

 

The DT990 on the other hand are rather V shaped (which is odd for an open backed headphone). They have a strong hump up in the midbass, and a slightly recessed uppermid leading into the classic Beyer treble spike which is what gives them that "edge" or "sparkle". Overall the headphone is going to give you a lot more oomph and feel more (for a lack of a better word) exciting. 

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by Hailin View Post

Mshenay you got me all freaked out now. I have the 600ohm DT990 and I run them on a E9K/E17 which is well below the your recommendations price wise. I have it at 10 high gain/ 12 low gain. Am I vastly under powering them?

I also have the MadDogs which take even more volume then the Beyer to run.

I still want a AudioGD Compass 2 badly, I have been told many times it is capable of running them.

 

The E9 will be fine. Seriously. It has plenty of power on tap

 

 

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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post

Omg Read my last post, and DUDE I love you! You GOT that refrance NICE bro, so you know that that higher smoke temp preserves flavors more as the oil won't break down as fast and mess with the taste, the same with your amps. Those more poweful amps are going to maintain a higher quality of sound with a 600 ohm can, because the impedance will resist being overdrive and sounding bloated. The 250 ohm is more prone to being slighty over driven, which leads to that softer bass. [The mad Dog is an OrthoDynamic so that's another day] So on that powerful amp that extra power won't be used as well by the 250 ohm, just like at a higher temp that extra viring olive oil might burn, Granted it won't taste bad [well if could] but it will add a flavor u might not want, where as your Grape Seed oil [like the 600 ohms] is going to stay nice an pure at high temps, so no risk of unwanted flavors due to oil break downs! [I love being a Foodie and an Audiophile [in reverse order]

 

 

I will argue that more power does not necessarily equate to better sound. You can't really "overdrive" a headphone, unless you mean pushing it to distortion limits at which point you're probably doing damage to your ears anyways. 

 

Higher impedance loads are actually easier for most amps to drive. On the flip side, they also generally require more power to produce the same volume levels. There are resonances to consider which might produce a midbass bloat, but that said both the 250 ohm and 600 ohm are high enough impedance that you shouldn't have to worry about any FR deviation or damping factor effects unless you have an amp with an unusually high output impedance. 

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Thanks Armaegis. I've read a few things on google describing 'mid bass hump' but I'm none the wiser as to what it sounds like, lol.

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It's the region typically around 100Hz. Generally it makes music sound "darker" or "warmer". Most of your percussion starts in this range as well, so a boost here will give more "kick". 

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Originally Posted by Armaegis View Post

The DT990 on the other hand are rather V shaped (which is odd for an open backed headphone). They have a strong hump up in the midbass, and a slightly recessed uppermid leading into the classic Beyer treble spike which is what gives them that "edge" or "sparkle". Overall the headphone is going to give you a lot more oomph and feel more (for a lack of a better word) exciting. 

 

The E9 will be fine. Seriously. It has plenty of power on tap

 

 

Thanks Arma and from a Canadian at that. :) I would still down the road like to get something that is a bit more interesting and versatile with out stepping into tubes.(That is one road that I really don't want to travel down, cause I wouldn't know when to stop.)  

 

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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post

Omg Read my last post, and DUDE I love you! You GOT that refrance NICE bro, so you know that that higher smoke temp preserves flavors more as the oil won't break down as fast and mess with the taste, the same with your amps. Those more poweful amps are going to maintain a higher quality of sound with a 600 ohm can, because the impedance will resist being overdrive and sounding bloated. The 250 ohm is more prone to being slighty over driven, which leads to that softer bass. [The mad Dog is an OrthoDynamic so that's another day] So on that powerful amp that extra power won't be used as well by the 250 ohm, just like at a higher temp that extra viring olive oil might burn, Granted it won't taste bad [well if could] but it will add a flavor u might not want, where as your Grape Seed oil [like the 600 ohms] is going to stay nice an pure at high temps, so no risk of unwanted flavors due to oil break downs! [I love being a Foodie and an Audiophile [in reverse order]

 

That being said... DAMN I miss Net Sky an Utah Jazz... time to redwnload in LOSSLESS :D 

 

Also the Dt 990 can take Bass EQ to it better than the w1000x [or other not as tight cans] because it's tighter. So when I eq a little extra bass +5 mid +3 sub, it still keeps that tight shift and impact but just a little more of it 

 

Also the Dt 990 is more of a mid Bass can, but it has some nice Sub Bass. Check out Utah Jazz River Theme for just such an example of the kickin sub bass! 

 

That Utah Jazz track is great. 

 

I don't really like EQin my headphones. I like listen to them as is.

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Originally Posted by Hailin View Post

 

That Utah Jazz track is great. 

 

I don't really like EQin my headphones. I like listen to them as is.

I feel the same way except for with any Drum n Bass headphone. Imo EdM is a fun genre that being said I eq the crap out of it and it alone.

 

And impedance is what keeps Frequancy response controlled and steady, if you have to much power and not enough impedance your going to have a little more mids, treble or bass in your music. So a 600 ohm can has the Impedance to resist that additional anything from the excessive power. Ofc, as you mentioned those extras anytings might only be noticeable at extreme volumes.

 

but moving on from that, people who have owned both cans, have encouraged me to stick with the Pro because it was easier to pair with amps. Where as the 600 ohm only got better then the 250 Pro with high end amps. 

 

But yea that mid bass hump gives you more KICK, although the Open Nature of the can adds to that as well imo. My w1000x also has a Mid Bass Hump but it lacks the tight kick of the dt 990... actually the w1000x has... a louder warmer mid n sub bass than the dt 990, but it lacks the kick the ENERGY of the dt 990. And again that's after my mods... which really tightend the bass. 

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