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post #1441 of 1634
I'm still surprised when people talk about bass heaviness with the 770LE. I find them to be much lighter on bass than my other 770s. It has depth but no real impact. The Bose QC15 have more for sure, so I'm curious to know what you think of the difference moving from one to the other.
post #1442 of 1634
Thread Starter 

Hey,

 

The DT770LE is basically the same as the 250Ohm premium model. It has the depth but not much impact. What is there is very tight with good extension.

post #1443 of 1634

Hey Zombie_X, got a kick out of your videos, especially when describing the T90s, lol.

 

I love the Beyer comfort, I still haven't found anything better. I don't want the impossible, but I'd like to get close to the low-end fullness of my HE-400s but with Beyer comfort (obviously willing to let some SQ go to get it). Or, howabout the DT770LEs sound, which I also like, just with more bass impact and no more treble. Does Beyer make something like this that's not $1,000? Someone recommended the HD650 to me if I like a darker impactful sound in a comfortable phone. I've never tried Senns at all.

post #1444 of 1634
Thread Starter 

Hi,

 

Glad you enjoyed the videos. The HD650 will sound vastly different. It will sound mushy and congested with a lack of clarity. They don't lack clarity but they do lack treble and transparency. To me they wound like you put towels or foam over the drivers. The bass is there and is impactful, but isn't tight nor does it have a sense of air to it. It's sounds mono-tone to my ears.

 

You could try the Custom One Pro's. They are like the DT770Pro but have the adjustable bass ports. So you can tune the sound to how you like it.

post #1445 of 1634
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Originally Posted by Zombie_X View Post

You could try the Custom One Pro's. They are like the DT770Pro but have the adjustable bass ports. So you can tune the sound to how you like it.

 

I'd like to try them at the NY meet in a few weeks. Beyerdynamic will be there. I first thought the LEs sounded quite anemic, but got adjusted to them after a while and started to enjoy the balanced sound. Maybe I'll adjust to the 650s too? Not sure, maybe I'm too used to the Beyer sound.

post #1446 of 1634

Hey Guys, 

 

I want to buy either DT770 pro - 80 ohm or DT990 pro 250 ohm very soon. I have looked at a lot of headphones and price/performance wise I have narrowed it down to these.

 

  • Im going to use them for a lot of movies and also lots of music, not much gaming though.

 

  • I listent to a variety of music such as queen, methalica, therion, and some classical.

 

  • I have no problem with open cans or their leakage and actually prefer the soundstage of open cans. I also like bass but not so that it detracts from the song...

 

 

One thing I should note is that im going to use these without any amp from my laptop and other portable devices. The 770s being 80 ohm are better suited for my sources but Im willing to deal with a lesser performance from 990s as they are 250 ohm and not that easy to drive.

 

Considering this, which one should i get? do you think even an slightly underpowered 990 is a good option compared to 770?

 

As im going to buy very soon any help is highly appreciated.


Edited by firstwat - 4/5/13 at 4:29am
post #1447 of 1634
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Originally Posted by firstwat View Post

Hey Guys, 

 

I want to buy either DT770 pro - 80 ohm or DT990 pro 250 ohm very soon. I have looked at a lot of headphones and price/performance wise I have narrowed it down to these.

 

  • Im going to use them for a lot of movies and also lots of music, not much gaming though.

 

  • I listent to a variety of music such as queen, methalica, therion, and some classical.

 

  • I have no problem with open cans or their leakage and actually prefer the soundstage of open cans. I also like bass but not so that it detracts from the song...

 

 

One thing I should note is that im going to use these without any amp from my laptop and other portable devices. The 770s being 80 ohm are better suited for my sources but Im willing to deal with a lesser performance from 990s as they are 250 ohm and not that easy to drive.

 

Considering this, which one should i get? do you think even an slightly underpowered 990 is a good option compared to 770?

 

As im going to buy very soon any help is highly appreciated.

If you don't plan on getting an amp, I'd go with the DT-770's. 

post #1448 of 1634
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Originally Posted by firstwat View Post

Hey Guys, 

 

I want to buy either DT770 pro - 80 ohm or DT990 pro 250 ohm very soon. I have looked at a lot of headphones and price/performance wise I have narrowed it down to these.

 

  • Im going to use them for a lot of movies and also lots of music, not much gaming though.

 

  • I listent to a variety of music such as queen, methalica, therion, and some classical.

 

  • I have no problem with open cans or their leakage and actually prefer the soundstage of open cans. I also like bass but not so that it detracts from the song...

 

 

One thing I should note is that im going to use these without any amp from my laptop and other portable devices. The 770s being 80 ohm are better suited for my sources but Im willing to deal with a lesser performance from 990s as they are 250 ohm and not that easy to drive.

 

Considering this, which one should i get? do you think even an slightly underpowered 990 is a good option compared to 770?

 

As im going to buy very soon any help is highly appreciated.

 

 

Well, if you really don't plan on getting an amp, then either of these is not such a good idea. DT770's 80 ohm aren't really that easy to run, or at least to get them to sound good. They were never designed for portable use anyway, they're studio headphones that require quite a bit of juice to sound good. You're better off getting something that WAS designed to be used with portable devices, such as the 32 Ohm LE model, or even better, the Custom One Pro, as its the easiest of all closed Beyers to power.

 

As for DT990's and DT770 80's, they're clearly in a different league, there's nothing the 770's do better, and in most areas they're outclassed by the 990's by a pretty large margin. Even the bass, which is the 770's strongest weapon is miles better on the 990's. Just as deep, but more controlled, punchier, quicker, more detailed, etc.  But again, skip them both if you're gonna use them with phones or a laptop, and go for the Custom one pro, its going to sound better than DT770 80 unamped.


Edited by derbigpr - 4/5/13 at 3:49pm
post #1449 of 1634
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Originally Posted by derbigpr View Post

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Originally Posted by firstwat View Post

Hey Guys, 

 

I want to buy either DT770 pro - 80 ohm or DT990 pro 250 ohm very soon. I have looked at a lot of headphones and price/performance wise I have narrowed it down to these.

 

  • Im going to use them for a lot of movies and also lots of music, not much gaming though.

 

  • I listent to a variety of music such as queen, methalica, therion, and some classical.

 

  • I have no problem with open cans or their leakage and actually prefer the soundstage of open cans. I also like bass but not so that it detracts from the song...

 

 

One thing I should note is that im going to use these without any amp from my laptop and other portable devices. The 770s being 80 ohm are better suited for my sources but Im willing to deal with a lesser performance from 990s as they are 250 ohm and not that easy to drive.

 

Considering this, which one should i get? do you think even an slightly underpowered 990 is a good option compared to 770?

 

As im going to buy very soon any help is highly appreciated.

 

 

Well, if you really don't plan on getting an amp, then either of these is not such a good idea. DT770's 80 ohm aren't really that easy to run, or at least to get them to sound good. They were never designed for portable use anyway, they're studio headphones that require quite a bit of juice to sound good. You're better off getting something that WAS designed to be used with portable devices, such as the 32 Ohm LE model, or even better, the Custom One Pro, as its the easiest of all closed Beyers to power.

 

As for DT990's and DT770 80's, they're clearly in a different league, there's nothing the 770's do better, and in most areas they're outclassed by the 990's by a pretty large margin. Even the bass, which is the 770's strongest weapon is miles better on the 990's. Just as deep, but more controlled, punchier, quicker, more detailed, etc.  But again, skip them both if you're gonna use them with phones or a laptop, and go for the Custom one pro, its going to sound better than DT770 80 unamped.


Great advice! smily_headphones1.gif
post #1450 of 1634
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Originally Posted by firstwat View Post

Hey Guys, 

 

I want to buy either DT770 pro - 80 ohm or DT990 pro 250 ohm very soon. I have looked at a lot of headphones and price/performance wise I have narrowed it down to these.

 

  • Im going to use them for a lot of movies and also lots of music, not much gaming though.

 

  • I listent to a variety of music such as queen, methalica, therion, and some classical.

 

  • I have no problem with open cans or their leakage and actually prefer the soundstage of open cans. I also like bass but not so that it detracts from the song...

 

 

One thing I should note is that im going to use these without any amp from my laptop and other portable devices. The 770s being 80 ohm are better suited for my sources but Im willing to deal with a lesser performance from 990s as they are 250 ohm and not that easy to drive.

 

Considering this, which one should i get? do you think even an slightly underpowered 990 is a good option compared to 770?

 

As im going to buy very soon any help is highly appreciated.

 

Maybe my ears just aren't as refined as others seem to me, but the DT990 Pro sounded just fine unamped. Did they come together better with an amp? Yes, some, but no so much that it made me stop using them unamped. It was my first "quality" pair of headphones and I enjoyed them. Will the bass be too much for you? I don't know, it's possible. I'd wager you'd really like the soundstage and the low-end rumbles would go well with movies. Of the DT770s, I haven't owned the 80-ohm Pro, just my older discontinued 600-ohm Pro model, the 32-ohm Limited Edition, and a 600-ohm Premium model. I'd say the 990 was the most fun and the 770LE the most balanced (decent soundstage and better mids than the rest).

 

My point is, if this is your first step into a nicer pair of headphones, either one will be a nice start IMO, even if you don't have (or want) an amp. I lean towards the DT990 Pro, but that's simply because of my fond memories of it.

post #1451 of 1634

Thank you all for very sound advice...

 
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If you don't plan on getting an amp, I'd go with the DT-770's. 

 

Its very good headphone and I might end up going this rout but my heart is more set on 990 :)

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Originally Posted by derbigpr View Post

 

 

Well, if you really don't plan on getting an amp, then either of these is not such a good idea. DT770's 80 ohm aren't really that easy to run, or at least to get them to sound good. They were never designed for portable use anyway, they're studio headphones that require quite a bit of juice to sound good. You're better off getting something that WAS designed to be used with portable devices, such as the 32 Ohm LE model, or even better, the Custom One Pro, as its the easiest of all closed Beyers to power.

 

As for DT990's and DT770 80's, they're clearly in a different league, there's nothing the 770's do better, and in most areas they're outclassed by the 990's by a pretty large margin. Even the bass, which is the 770's strongest weapon is miles better on the 990's. Just as deep, but more controlled, punchier, quicker, more detailed, etc.  But again, skip them both if you're gonna use them with phones or a laptop, and go for the Custom one pro, its going to sound better than DT770 80 unamped.

 

You are absolutley right and I knolw these headphones are not meant for portable use but unfortunately where I live these are almost the only options available. 880s are very over priced and AKGs are not that common and VERY hard to find, sens are good but I can only afford the hd558 which I think isnt on par with 990 or 770.... So my hands are rather tight at the moment with very limitted options available...

 

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Maybe my ears just aren't as refined as others seem to me, but the DT990 Pro sounded just fine unamped. Did they come together better with an amp? Yes, some, but no so much that it made me stop using them unamped. It was my first "quality" pair of headphones and I enjoyed them. Will the bass be too much for you? I don't know, it's possible. I'd wager you'd really like the soundstage and the low-end rumbles would go well with movies. Of the DT770s, I haven't owned the 80-ohm Pro, just my older discontinued 600-ohm Pro model, the 32-ohm Limited Edition, and a 600-ohm Premium model. I'd say the 990 was the most fun and the 770LE the most balanced (decent soundstage and better mids than the rest).

 

My point is, if this is your first step into a nicer pair of headphones, either one will be a nice start IMO, even if you don't have (or want) an amp. I lean towards the DT990 Pro, but that's simply because of my fond memories of it.

 

This was exactly my thinking at the moment, I much prefer the sound signature of the 990 and the "average" reviews on the web seems to say that 990 is at least a bit better than 770s if leakage is not a problem.

 

And yes, either one of these would be my first quality headphone so I dont have much to compare them to, I also know that 250ohm is hard to drive on laptop but then again it could prove to be more than good enough for me. At least thats what I hope to achieve! 

 

On the other hand it would be such a pity if unamped 770-80 perform significantly better than unamped 990-250 :)   I could live with marginal differences.

 

 

The sound cards in laptops are not the same(mine is realtec on a vaio) but nonetheless it would be really helpful if someone with generic realtec sound card could audition these two cans straight from the card....

post #1452 of 1634

I should note that I talked with the seller and he agreed that I can bring my laptop to their store for testing the headphones using my own gear, which is pretty good.

 

Though I'm still a little worried that because of the limited time available and not having prior experience, I may not make the best decision. TALK ABOUT OCD :)))

post #1453 of 1634
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The sound cards in laptops are not the same(mine is realtec on a vaio) but nonetheless it would be really helpful if someone with generic realtec sound card could audition these two cans straight from the card....

 

Plugged 770's and 990's into my cheap 300$ laptop that has some kind of realtek high definition audio DAC inside, my guess is as cheap as it gets. Neither of them sound good, they're both too silent, strident and rough sounding, lacking any sort of dynamics and sound is clearly colored. 990's go about 70% as loud as the 770's.

 

After trying this, if you want my honest opinion, you should not get headphones in this league if you're gonna use them unamped. Unless you get something specifically made for portable use, just skip the price range all together. There's no point in paying that sort of money for headphones that will not perform even at 50% of their potential. Plugging 770's or 990 pro's into a laptop is a waste of money, in every sense of the word, because you will get a sound that equals properly powered <100$ headphones. Hell, even my 7 year old 50$ Senn  HD212 sound just as good, if not better out of a laptop or a galaxy S, and go loud enough for proper listening.  I would only ever use the 770's out of a laptop for something like youtube videos, or just something that I needed to hear, but for music, never. Even for a person who's never owned great headphones, this sound would not be impressive.

 

Just an advice, its your money, you do as you wish, but sitting here comparing how these headphones perform unamped and used with a good setup, makes me think its silly to use them unamped. Its like buying a Ferrari and then driving it backwards and forwards a few feet in your garage.

 

IMHO, either go for the custom one pro, or get an entry level dac/amp and cheaper headphones, you will be more satisfied.  

post #1454 of 1634
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I should note that I talked with the seller and he agreed that I can bring my laptop to their store for testing the headphones using my own gear, which is pretty good.

 

Though I'm still a little worried that because of the limited time available and not having prior experience, I may not make the best decision. TALK ABOUT OCD :)))

 

 

Thats great, make sure you test cheaper headphones than 990's or 770's as well to hear the differences, because depending on what kind of soundcard your laptop has, you might not hear a great difference. Also, if the store has some kind of hi-fi gear inside, such as receivers, speakers amps, etc....ask the seller to let you hear it from those sources, so that you get a more realistic feel of what these headphones can do, they will both get powered perfectly by any such device.

post #1455 of 1634
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Originally Posted by derbigpr View Post

 

Plugged 770's and 990's into my cheap 300$ laptop that has some kind of realtek high definition audio DAC inside, my guess is as cheap as it gets. Neither of them sound good, they're both too silent, strident and rough sounding, lacking any sort of dynamics and sound is clearly colored. 990's go about 70% as loud as the 770's.

 

After trying this, if you want my honest opinion, you should not get headphones in this league if you're gonna use them unamped. Unless you get something specifically made for portable use, just skip the price range all together. There's no point in paying that sort of money for headphones that will not perform even at 50% of their potential. Plugging 770's or 990 pro's into a laptop is a waste of money, in every sense of the word, because you will get a sound that equals properly powered <100$ headphones. Hell, even my 7 year old 50$ Senn  HD212 sound just as good, if not better out of a laptop or a galaxy S, and go loud enough for proper listening.  I would only ever use the 770's out of a laptop for something like youtube videos, or just something that I needed to hear, but for music, never. Even for a person who's never owned great headphones, this sound would not be impressive.

 

Just an advice, its your money, you do as you wish, but sitting here comparing how these headphones perform unamped and used with a good setup, makes me think its silly to use them unamped. Its like buying a Ferrari and then driving it backwards and forwards a few feet in your garage.

 

IMHO, either go for the custom one pro, or get an entry level dac/amp and cheaper headphones, you will be more satisfied.  

 

Thank you very much for your effort, I really appreciate it.

 

Its sad that I cant find these headphones with proper impedance for my use cases! and you are right without amp their full potential will not be utilised.

 

Im going to use my laptop to audition these headphones and if the results where unsatisfactory(which based on your experience will pretty much be) I will either have to accept the clutter of a separate DAC or AMP (my main concern regarding the amps is reducing portability and adding complexity to my very portable setup) or just i think refuse to buy these altogether and go with HD558....

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