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Originally Posted by Graphicism 

 

You know when I first came to head-fi I was looking for bass heavy headphones for my electronica addition, I have since broadened my music appreciation into classical, jazz, acoustic and so on. It's no longer about the beat but the instrument, I have gone as far as to turn my sub woofer way down low and appreciate music.

Most of the members here going that route...quality Vs quantity

classical sucks without bass.   i think wagner had a special  huge quad upright bass built that took 3 people to play it just so he could get low bass. some people do not like bass intruding into their sound but the composers and musicians who made that music did. 

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Originally Posted by techenvy 

classical sucks without bass.   i think wagner had a special  huge quad upright bass built that took 3 people to play it just so he could get low bass. some people do not like bass intruding into their sound but the composers and musicians who made that music did. 

Just imagine the sound of the low notes of an old church organ, a big one with pipes. In Amsterdam there are life concerts in old churches conducted and performed by church organists, replicating that sound in my opinion seems almost impossible. 
 

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Originally Posted by Uncle Erik 


So I don't think it's elitism. If someone grew up in a house where piano was played daily or was in a school band, there's a good chance they'd prefer something that sounds like what they're used to hearing.

Well Put Uncle.

While playing in band you have to learn to tune to the other wind instruments when you played by noticing a flutter in your hearing. You were indeed around a balanced room of music. And to really mix it up,

Play the same music in a band hall with acoustics properly placed  then perform on the field during half time and it really becomes challenging to tune in with others as the sound travels away from your ears.

That sound I was exposed too then I have yet to hear in any headphone yet. Simply, you cannot take music and turn it into an electronic signal then expect it to be produced as neutral or balanced sound through a headphone even if it's an open can. Too many variables.

  Now some headphones can get close and I like the fact that I have a personal concert around my head, but when every persons hearing is different than one's person can is not another's. Some days I need the sound of a bass drum some days I prefer the sound of a cello. One day it may be the highs produced by guitars and some days the sound of flutes. Different days different strokes. 

EDIT: I didn't realise there were three pages of this thread when posting and have only read the first - apologies if I have just repeated something already said on the thread below!

Then I would hazzard a geuss that the producer did not intend you to be focusing on those notes; they were supposed to be subtle and in the background and the Denon's exagerrated bass made them a central part of the track.

Those headphones you mention are producing those deep bass notes - just do a test online - they are just playing them back at less volume than your Denons so they are less obvious.

There is a lot of stuff in a recording mix that you are not first-hand aware of, but you would certainly notice something was "wrong" with the recording if you heard it again with those elements taken out.

I used to have some CX300 and I could really clearly hear Tom Waits humming along to the first couple of bars of a lot of the songs of Small Change before starting to sing. It was more of a deep growl than a hum and I hadn't noticed it before.

So does this make the CX300 better than my K702 because I have to strain with the K702 to hear than hum?

Of course not. The CX300 is a bass-farting mess of an IEM, an element which was supposed to be subtle and in the background was brought up the front of the recording, where it was never supposed to be.

Just my opinion, but I think while the HD800s don't overdo the bass at all (and maybe even suppress it a bit), it has superb bass-quality,

better than a lot of other high end phones. Very natural, tight, with no overhang and very tuneful, with no "bass fog."