"the vinyl has been replaced by the CD, largely inferior in quality" - Page 8

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Originally Posted by Steve Eddy 

People also claim to hear a difference when they put photographs of themselves in their freezers.

 

Im going to try this.

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Originally Posted by HyperDuel 

But I already did a blind test and 4/5 times I could tell that's vinyl playing.

It's not clear that there were adequate controls and without that being clear, your "blind test" doesn't tell us anything meaningful.

As a friend of mine who is well experienced with blind testing (he invented the MP3 CODEC during which a considerable amount of blind testing was used), "Getting a positive result is easy."

By that he meant that there are many things that can contribute to a blind test which can give you a false positive result. The difficult part about blind testing is trying to control for all those possibilities.

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Originally Posted by nikongod 

Im going to try this.

Do you know what the procedure is?

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Originally Posted by Steve Eddy 

Do you know what the procedure is?

 

Magic of course!

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Originally Posted by maverickronin 

Magic of course!

Actually, what you do is take a photograph of yourself that was taken when you were a child (preferably your first one) and a photograph of yourself as an adult.

Put 'em together in a plastic bag and then into the freezer compartment of your refrigerator.

Not only will it improve the sound of your system, it will improve the sound of every other system you listen to. That's because the tweak doesn't work on the audio system, it works on the listener.

And for those who are not already aware, this isn't something I just made up. It's a tweak by the king of freaky tweaks, Peter Belt.

se

Dear lord...seriously!?  I really can't seem to think of anything crazier at the moment.  CD demagnetizers and quantum clips pale in comparison.  I'd suppose he's selling some sort special plastic bag to put the photos in.  Prevent freezer burn on the pictures which will cause a reduction in SQ.

Do people ever think about what would have to be true for this kind of stuff to actually be true?  The crazy assumptions you have to make?  New fundamental forces of the universe which need creation or discovery?  If that kind of thing was true, how would you harness its discovery?  Off the top of my head I think it would be a very good basis for some sort of long range low power communication system which would be undetectable and unjammable by enemies.  As rough prototype I'm picturing two monitors in a freezer which modulate/morph between younger and older pictures of the same person.  Then you could send undetectable morse code messages to that person, who could be a spy, deep undercover and just listening to his ipod.

Well you would on average expect to get 2.5 out of 5 by guesswork alone so 4 out of 5 on a single test isn't at all surprising. Especially considering if you compare the total results from everyone in your test group it looks very much like the overall result is indeterminate.

If you did the same test every day for a week or so, i.e. closer to a statistically valid sample,  and still maintained a concistent 90% success rate then your claim would be more credible.

I'm not suggesting it's impossible, individual human beings can do remarkable things if they are blessed with a rare talent, but my own experience suggests most people generally cannot. In fact my mates have got fed up with me running these little tests on them as it often contradicts their prejudices. Especially the guy with the £30,000 + stereo system.

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Originally Posted by Steve Eddy 

 

Actually, what you do is take a photograph of yourself that was taken when you were a child (preferably your first one) and a photograph of yourself as an adult.

 

Put 'em together in a plastic bag and then into the freezer compartment of your refrigerator.

 

Not only will it improve the sound of your system, it will improve the sound of every other system you listen to. That's because the tweak doesn't work on the audio system, it works on the listener.

 

And for those who are not already aware, this isn't something I just made up. It's a tweak by the king of freaky tweaks, Peter Belt.

 

se

 

I was amused to see Peter Belt come up in this forum.

He really is an interesting guy.

To be honest I have a lot more time for him than the people selling those very expensive interconnects and power cords.

Peter Belt's tweaks don't cost money, you can try them for free.

One I know is that you place a small piece of paper under one of the four feet on all your equipment. This undoes "four-ism" of which there is too much, and introduces "three-ism".

If you think that placing a small piece of paper under one foot of, say your CD Player won't make a lot of difference then you won't be impressed by further extension of the idea which is to place a small piece of paper under one foot of your listening chair.

There are many tweaks such as this from Peter Belt.

Aligning the slots in the heads of the screws on (UK) mains sockets for example. I like this one because it is actually about equal in significance electrically speaking to many of the practices performed on high end mains cables but unlike them it is completely free!

Peter Belt has also said that to have less equipment is better. In this I applaud him because it is a statement against the idea that having more makes you happy.

So, give me Peter Belt any day in preference to the interconnect and other cable fraudsters who sell cables at huge prices which will do your system no good whatsoever.

I know this was said already, in different words... and maybe said again, I don't know since I only made it to page 4. But people buy vinyl over CD in 2010 because vinyl isn't brickwalled. Especially if you're talking about modern music, this difference between them MUST be emphasized. You can not accurately compare a CD released today vs. a vinyl released today because they are created from almost literally different sources

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Originally Posted by Steve Eddy 

There are many who are buying vinyl in 2010 who never grew up with it and for whom there is no nostalgia. They buy it because in spite of what its technical faults may be, IT SOUNDS BETTER TO THEM.

 

Differences in mastering techniques aside, it is far more likely that the bulk of those purchasing LPs do so because it is essentially trendy, regardless of what explanations the purchasers actually give or believe. Few people are fully aware of their own motivations.

This site is an excellent example, read any FOTM thread and it's corresponding fallout.

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Originally Posted by ph0rk 


Few people are fully aware of their own motivations.

 

 

But you are.

Where's the smiley with the rolling eyes and the hand that's jerking up and down?

se

So, he's whining about the loss of vinyl and the decline of audio quality, and then introduces... an iPod speakerstand?