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What kind of a listener are you?

post #1 of 12
12/23/01 at 8:42pm
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Do you

1) Take your best sounding system/components, and make that as a reference? Here, you'd compare everything to your system.

Or,

2) Compare it to something live? Ex: Go to a concert, then try to reprodce the sound you heard at the conert @ home?

I'm a 1. What are you?
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post #2 of 12
12/23/01 at 8:52pm
I don't listen to "compare" to anything... I listen to enjoy the music, damnit! And of course, listening to live music is the most enjoyable (for me anyway), so the closer the sound gets to the "concert hall experience", the better.
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post #3 of 12
12/23/01 at 9:10pm
I go to as many concerts as possible and do live local bands on a regular basis.I have NEVER heard a system that would fool me into thinking it was "live"(though a corner horn heard one room over comes close.damn close,especially on piano)
Enjoy the recording for what it is-planned,overdubbed,equalized,compressed,
not spontaneous.Add whatever the enginerr THINKS we want to hear and,well.............................
Is what it is-"canned music"

A rickism-most bands cannot even play their own songs as you hear them on a recording.
SO ?
ENJOY THE FRIGGIN' MUSIC !

Whatever format that happens to be


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post #4 of 12
12/23/01 at 11:45pm
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A rickism-most bands cannot even play their own songs as you hear them on a recording.
that sounds like a redshifterism: "some bands write checks in the studio they can't cash in concert."
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post #5 of 12
12/24/01 at 12:00am
As awesome as Pearl Jam is until the come and perform a private show for me in a controlled enviornment, I'm comparing stuff to my equipment.

Besides I think most artists are better-off in the studio. Just cuz they write "checks they can't cash" live doesn't mean they aren't amazing in the studio! Enya comes to mind here. The studio, when properly used, ensures a near-perfect performance delivered straight to the listener's ears in a controlled enviornment. Or at least that potential exists.

I must be getting old because I think most rock shows are too loud to sound good. Actually I've thought this for a while. I'm actually considering getting some inserts to attenuate the volume to something much more reasonable and less damaging. The trick is getting some that are 'flat' so I don't miss out on something.
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post #6 of 12
12/24/01 at 1:05am
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I must be getting old because I think most rock shows are too loud to sound good. Actually I've thought this for a while. I'm actually considering getting some inserts to attenuate the volume to something much more reasonable and less damaging. The trick is getting some that are 'flat' so I don't miss out on something.
No, they are WAY too loud. Ear bleedingly loud. Get some Etymotic attenuators
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post #7 of 12
12/24/01 at 1:35am
Both!

But I have to admit, most live, amplified production stinks. Your real "live" reference should be unamplified acoustic music.

I wish more jazz clubs utillized less sound reinforcement - you can hear a veil of noise and distortion when an acoustic instrument is being played through a PA.
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post #8 of 12
12/24/01 at 3:01am
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Originally posted by Nezer
Besides I think most artists are better-off in the studio. Just cuz they write "checks they can't cash" live doesn't mean they aren't amazing in the studio!
Yeah, where would songs like "Revolution #9" be, and bands' entire ouevres be (Nine Inch Nails is famous for saying they do everything they can in the studio, without regard for what can be reproduced live)?

I always wear earplugs in concerts that I go to (mostly amplified music)...at least bring 'em...I bring some lite ones (7's) and some higher ones (15's, and 27's, 28's or 30's). I'm a musician, I want to preserve my hearing.
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post #9 of 12
12/24/01 at 3:34am
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Originally posted by DustyChalk
I'm a musician, I want to preserve my hearing.
I bet a lot of us here are.

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Originally posted by BenG
Your real "live" reference should be unamplified acoustic music.
Agreed. Though I consider it ok if the instruments are amped that need it (electronic keyboards, voice, guitar, etc) and then only if they are all amped individually. I also prefer smaller ensembles like chamber music, B3 trios, Piano trios.

Of course, the popular 1970's power trio is good too sometimes, just not usually live.
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post #10 of 12
12/24/01 at 4:58am
next time anyone happens to be in the SF Bay Area, go see a live jazz show at Yoshi's. Afterwards, you will certainly give up any hope of having any audio gear ever come close to the real thing. You might even quietly pack up your gear and toss it in the dumpster.
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post #11 of 12
12/24/01 at 6:40am
Yoshi's is too perfect sounding imo - little reverb or ambience. I also think it's unnecessary and degrading to amplify horns and drums like they do alot at that place - but this is true of alot of clubs. It's rather amazing that they are able to keep the noise of those street trains from coming inside though.

I saw Jimmy Smith's group at Yoshi's several month's ago and was blown away - best live show I ever went to. Roll-Man, you'd love Jimmy's nephew on Drums - he can tear **** up.
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post #12 of 12
12/24/01 at 10:08am
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Your real "live" reference should be unamplified acoustic music
Yes, this is about as close as you can get, but still essentially meaningless. If the signal reaching your ears sounds like the real deal and effects you emotionally, it's about all you can hope for.
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