cowon j3 or ipod touch 4th gen please help me !

I have ipod nano / iphone 3g / ipad.  I knew what i was getting when I was buying them.  

 

However, I really hate hate, HATE itune and its management.

 

Next "music" player will be non - apple.

whats there to hate with itunes? :S pretty great imo lol

I have the new ipod touch and if you really want sound quality then apple is definitely not the way to go. They still haven't really learnt from their mistakes and the sq has remained pretty much the same (maybe a tiny bit better) but nothing on the cowon.

If you like to play games and have other apps other than audio then Ipod is the way to go. For the sound quality, cowon J3 with all the extra sound effects will beat any Ipod out there. I found that Ipod touch 4th gen has improved sound from it's predecessor and the EQ does work and doesn't distort the music at all. 

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Thanks for explaining your views on the subject. Worthless post.

Indeed, but so too are posts that say: "player A is so much better than player B". There is no meat at all in those posts. What is better? How is it better than Player B? 

 

Why go through this stupid rhymery every time? Establish the rules: what you think SQ is and then lay it out. Don't say better - that is a worthless term. Better tasting means nothing. Spicier might mean something, but only with reference to another taste.

 

If you're going to discuss SQ, find metrics to compare, then go at it. I doubt the conversation will stay level long though, as opinion spouting is like s*it whipping - it's fun, but stinky and pointless. I'd like to see some real reasons why the J3 might be better than the iPod touch.

 

I can give you a couple for and against each - each measurable, each repeatable, each easily discernible, but I doubt anyone else in this thread can - I've lost hope in HF as a community of informed people. 

I've got the latest 4G Touch, and Cowon J3, and even a Samsung M1. 

 

The J3 and M1 have their own advantages, yet neither will do email, weather, web browsing, apps, etc., like a Touch will.   Of the two media players (a Touch is a PDA/Pocket PC) the J3 is more complete as a music device.  The M1 is a little better with video files. A Touch won't come close to the depth of control the J3 allows over your music.  User EQ, etc..   I'd consider the Touch a good third place though. You get microSD-HC expansion with the J3 and M1, but not the Touch.  You have to use iTunes with a Touch, but can use a range of other apps or simple drag-n-drop with the other two.

The touch is the only one in that group with full gapless playback. But I wish Apple would bring in EQ - real EQ to the device. Cowon have a fantastic but not perfect EQ that shows up most of the others. 

You still going to spend $3000 on your setup Wazzupi? If you get the dac thingy for your portable music device, I would go with the Apple product. It has more uses, and will sound the same as anything if an external Dac is used. Forgive me if your not the one with the "$3000 to spend on portrig" thread.