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Thanks warp. Also if you get a chance to hear the Meier Stepdance you should give it a try so far it's the best sounding portable I have heard out of these amps.

 


Interesting-looking amp, Travis.  I have not heard of it prior your post.  I'm not planning any new portable amp purchases--I have too many as it is even without the upcoming JH-3A--plus I did order the new iBasso Balanced DAC/Amp combo last week on a whim.  I plan to review those when the opportunity arises.

post #17 of 113

I've ordered the WhipMod and WhipLOD "Fat Boy" combo. I still own my RWA/ALO iMod and LOD combo and can do a comparison of both when the Whip Boys arrive.

 

BTW - The RWA / ALO combo is up for sale if anyone is interested - HERE

post #18 of 113

Can anyone add impressions of the WhipMod and Fat Boy combo? I am getting mine soon and looking forward to it.

 

 

post #19 of 113

what.

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what.


What, what?

post #21 of 113
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He's asking about the WhipMod/Elite Reference LOD combo reviewed in the OP.  "Fat Boy" is just my nickname for it.

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He's asking about the WhipMod/Elite Reference LOD combo reviewed in the OP.  "Fat Boy" is just my nickname for it.


Oops sorry yes the Reference LOD aka "Fat Boy" I prefer fat boy, but I suspect that the response would be the same as above posts ... "what... what?"

 

post #23 of 113

Thanks for the great review, Warp.  Do you have the P-vcap dock with your iMod, and if so could you (or anyone else) review the iMod with the vcap in comparison to the WhipMOD?  Would the vcap dock just move the iMod into another category that black caps in an LOD can never reach, even if the WhipMOD is internally superior to the iMod?

 

If you ever decide to review the HM-801 against the WhipMOD more thoroughly, add me to the list of guys who would be interested.

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Thanks for the great review, Warp.  Do you have the P-vcap dock with your iMod, and if so could you (or anyone else) review the iMod with the vcap in comparison to the WhipMOD?  Would the vcap dock just move the iMod into another category that black caps in an LOD can never reach, even if the WhipMOD is internally superior to the iMod?

 

If you ever decide to review the HM-801 against the WhipMOD more thoroughly, add me to the list of guys who would be interested.


I only have a Bose Dock that my daughter uses for her iPhone.  I did order that folding wooden travel dock from Whiplash but it hasn't arrived yet.  The issue is whether you can or want to bypass the Woolfson DACs present in both iMod and WhipMOD variants by some kind of digital out solution, such as a vcap or the upcoming Algorithm Solo device.

 

As I highlighted--at least subjectively to my ears--in my comparison review of the iMod vs. WhipMOD units using the Fat Boy LOD, the WhipMOD came out ahead, presumably due to enhanced internal wiring and cryo-treated PCB process that is the same as the TWag's.  So it is possibly due to that synergy that in this configuration the WhipMOD sounds somewhat better, but it is not a night and day difference by any means.  The important thing is that it is still a nice portable system.  Once you start adding a dedicated DAC/Transport like a Solo, all of a sudden you lost that advantage.

 

My HM-801 is being replaced by Head-Direct do to some kind of occasional interference with it its line-out.  At some point I may do a comparison, but the issue is the wide variety of amps, interconnects and headphones out there.  They are both so good that we can only talk about very minor details if we attempt to rank them even using the same external amplification and cabling for both of them (which is possible, but challenging because the time it takes to do A/B switching under those conditions).

 

My personal usage pattern and recommendation for them would be to use the HM-801 as a high-end transportable for high-resolution music that can and will work well even as part of a desktop system and use the WhipMOD/Fat Boy combo if you already invested into TWag recable and want to leverage that in a portable, on-the-go solution for your large iTunes library.  I don't think you can go wrong either way, at least along these guidelines.

post #25 of 113

with headphone out this whipmod sound like original iPod video,right?

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with headphone out this whipmod sound like original iPod video,right?



yes, there is no point in investing one without a LOD and a good amp factored in the price.

post #27 of 113

I have heard some guy said that the headphoneout is totally improve

and it is even as good as a home setup CD player

and saying the whipmod is the best protable player out there

 

I can't help but wonder how would it improve since they only mod the line out(he claim Craig have moded the DAC)

So i asked to make sure that it was just a lie (or maybe just a wow factor or sth like that if it was unintentionally made).

 

Thanks for the great review anyway

post #28 of 113
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I have heard some guy said that the headphoneout is totally improve





and it is even as good as a home setup CD player





and saying the whipmod is the best protable player out there





 





I can't help but wonder how would it improve since they only mod the line out(he claim Craig have moded the DAC)





So i asked to make sure that it was just a lie (or maybe just a wow factor or sth like that if it was unintentionally made).





 





Thanks for the great review anyway











They did a little more than that. They upgraded the wiring too. I'm in love with mine. Never tried the imod hifiman ect. I came from a busted up iPod touch to this set up. that's like going from 0-60 in about 2.5 seconds.
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They did a little more than that. They upgraded the wiring too. I'm in love with mine. Never tried the imod hifiman ect. I came from a busted up iPod touch to this set up. that's like going from 0-60 in about 2.5 seconds.


you mean which path LO or HO

If they did mod the HO wiring the headphone out should be better

Can anyone confirm this cause if it is true and there really is a huge upgrade from original iPod Video

I would consider buying one

 

Thank in advance

post #30 of 113
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I have heard some guy said that the headphoneout is totally improve

and it is even as good as a home setup CD player

and saying the whipmod is the best protable player out there

 

I can't help but wonder how would it improve since they only mod the line out(he claim Craig have moded the DAC)

So i asked to make sure that it was just a lie (or maybe just a wow factor or sth like that if it was unintentionally made).

 

Thanks for the great review anyway

The internal wiring itself is done using high-quality SCSAg wiring and that is superior to the cheap copper wiring originally used in the donor iPod's construction.  Here is the description of that wire from the Whiplash website:

 

 

SCSCag

 

CFDCT-UP-OCC-Ag, or "SCSCag" is a CFDCT-UP-OCC solid core silver wire that sets a new standard of

performance. Everything about "SCSCag" is custom; the specially preapred and drawn pure single crystal silver

conductor, the custom formulated PTFE dielectric, the ailver used (CF-DCT-UPOCC-Ag) and the cryo profile used to

treat it (our proprietary CryoFreeze™ process).The base metal used is an unidirectional UPOCC, being almost free

from impurity (up to 99.99998% pure silver) has ideal electrical resistance properties and practically no crystal

boundaries. Accordingly, it is able to transmit electrical signals faster, and with less distortion than ordinary OFC and

silver wires. All of these features make the pure OCCsailver the state-of-the art conductor materials for the audiophile

cable industry. This solid core pure silver wire demands respect. When flexibility is not your main concern, this wire

offers the best soundstage with absolutely incredible transparency!!

 

I am not sure whether or not the wiring modifications include HP-out signal path, but what would be the point in doing so?  That circuit is normally powered by a single transistor and while a sound quality isn't "bad" it's nowhere near as good as with a quality LOD paired with a quality portable amp.  No xMOD I know of have had their Woolfson DAC modded.  You can bypass it using a Wadia Transport or a soon to be released Algorithm Solo DAC/Transport, but then you are talking about a 3rd device in the stack.

 

Craig only makes the cables and interconnects such as the LODs, the WhipMOD itself is manufactured by another company, if that matters to you.  Craig does burnin-test on the WhipMODs, however, before shipping out for at least 24 hours.

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