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Originally Posted by Ishcabible View Post

Eh, I wouldn't go so far as to say the SR60 is overrated. They're damn good at the price point for most people. The problem is that the higher up you go (barring the PS/GS line), you're just getting incremental improvements that get harder to justify unless you really like the sound signature because nothing else really sounds like a Grado.


Having heard SR80is, I really hate their sound signature to the point that I'd almost rather listen to Apple earbuds. They'd probably be more comfortable, too. The incremental upgrades don't annoy me, and you could probably mod Grado headphones into something far better than they actually are. But stock Grados? Terrible. I can't wear the higher-end models for more than a few seconds no matter how they're positioned on my head and I can't even stand listening to the low-end, no-bass models.

 

How people can wear a Grado headphone is beyond me. What gets me even more is how Grado can make such incredibly uncomfortable headphones and everyone just keeps buying them. Apparently I'm not the target audience because there are many people who enjoy them and I'm not about to tell them their opinion is wrong.

post #932 of 1099

Grado are for basically the anti-Beats crowd: people who looooove sparkly treble and no thumping bass. I was shocked to hear the PS500 given that those are known to be the bassiest of the entire lineup and it still sounded like it was coming out of an answering machine, to say nothing of the RS1. 

post #933 of 1099
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Grado are for basically the anti-Beats crowd: people who looooove sparkly treble and no thumping bass. I was shocked to hear the PS500 given that those are known to be the bassiest of the entire lineup and it still sounded like it was coming out of an answering machine, to say nothing of the RS1. 

 

They've never really had "sparkly" treble in my experience though. More like just plain upfront and slightly gritty. If I had to describe the ones I've used, it wouldn't necessarily be like sitting front row at a concert, more like sitting in an enclosed room without enough sound insulation. I have a strange liking towards the sound, probably because it makes brass instruments sound like, well, as bright as brass can sound. I hate listening to jazz with dark headphones. Sure, it's more pleasant, and I can actually use them for over an hour, but I've never been to a jazz show where the instruments had the same lack of bite. Not to say that Grados, in any way, are accurate, but they offer the same sense of engagement a good jazz show does because of their boosted treble.

 

And my ears must be weird, because I've never been in pain while using Grados once I've adjusted them correctly. I've somehow used them for hours at a time before the sound, not the lack of comfort, got too tiring.

 

Of course, the AD2000 does the same while adding some warmth, so that's why I sold both my Grados.

 

They seem to be a love it or hate it thing in general though. I can count on my hand the number of people that actually liked my SR325. The ones that did were trumpet players, coincidentally. 


Edited by Ishcabible - 6/12/14 at 10:02pm
post #934 of 1099

I don't know how Grado could be physically uncomfortable. They don't clamp particularly hard and there's nothing sharp or painful in the ear cups. They're not pillow comfy like the Sony X10 or like wearing a magic music helmet like the HD800, but they're far from difficult to wear. They just feel like old headphones from the 80s. 

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Originally Posted by SomeGuyDude View Post
 

I don't know how Grado could be physically uncomfortable. They don't clamp particularly hard and there's nothing sharp or painful in the ear cups. They're not pillow comfy like the Sony X10 or like wearing a magic music helmet like the HD800, but they're far from difficult to wear. They just feel like old headphones from the 80s. 


Well, the problem with the lower-end Grados is the headband, but you really just have to wear it further forward than you might more comfortable headphones. The pads are slightly itchy since they aren't very soft foam. The problem with these lower-end Grados is that they just don't have very good sound, like, at all. I'm not a treble-head, but I like treble. I also like bass, which is where the Grado SR60/80 fall flat. They sound like answering machines, like you said.

 

The higher-end ones have proper padding on the headband, but your ears touch the baffle plate directly, with only a very thin layer of silk or some kind of fabric in between. That is ridiculously comfortable to me since my ears jut out a little bit, and I can't imagine a lot of other people enjoy having the baffle resting on their ear. I didn't even bother listening to them; in my opinion, no sound quality is worth that level of discomfort, however short or long you have to put up with it.

 

The Audio Technica AD series pretty much renders Grado obsolete, if my understanding of them is correct. Hell, in my experience, I would listen to the Koss KSC75s before I even considered putting on a Grado SR80i.

 

If it helps to give you an idea (since I know Grados have different pads between them that you can swap out), I tried on the RS1i, and the SR325i. I don't know exactly which pads they both use, but the only ones I could stand were the S-cushes.


Edited by Dragonzeanse - 6/13/14 at 1:13am
post #936 of 1099
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Originally Posted by Ishcabible View Post

Eh, I wouldn't go so far as to say the SR60 is overrated. They're damn good at the price point for most people. The problem is that the higher up you go (barring the PS/GS line), you're just getting incremental improvements that get harder to justify unless you really like the sound signature because nothing else really sounds like a Grado.

I've yet to hear any Grado cans, but know just from members at this site, there's a lot of Grado fans here.

Somebody remarked that Grado followers are like a cult in their devotion eek.gif

But I'll have to check out what all the fuss is about - is there a particular model of Grado that typifies the "Grado sound"?

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Originally Posted by SomeGuyDude View Post

I don't know how Grado could be physically uncomfortable. They don't clamp particularly hard and there's nothing sharp or painful in the ear cups. They're not pillow comfy like the Sony X10 or like wearing a magic music helmet like the HD800, but they're far from difficult to wear. They just feel like old headphones from the 80s.

Calvin Harris in above video has his endorsed SOL Master Tracks headphones that are marked on inner headband as "studio tuned by Calvin Harris" as a unique selling point, but despite the cans being pretty decent in general, the Calvin Harris attach suggests something more than a custom dark maroon colour finish, yet unfortunately IMO, doesn't really follow through with.



So good cans with a strong bass being prominent in there own rights, but the Calvin Harris endorsing just overrates the promise of something better, which in that regard makes them an overrated headcan.
Edited by cb3723 - 6/13/14 at 3:13am
post #937 of 1099
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Somebody remarked that Grado followers are like a cult in their devotion eek.gif
 

 

 

And Grado haters are like a cult in their revulsion.

post #938 of 1099
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But I'll have to check out what all the fuss is about - is there a particular model of Grado that typifies the "Grado sound"?

 

Any of the SR series - that way you don't have to spend a lot to get a taste.  The real beauty of them is that you can mod the heck out of them to tailor the sound you want.  It takes a while to get used to the comfort - but it's worth it IMO.  I've owned the Alessandro MS1, SR60, SR325i, RS1.  I've heard all of the SR series though - they are all fairly similar sounding - with difference mainly in refinement and bass slam.

 

I don't have a Grado now - but pretty sure at some stage I will repurchase the SR325i, and mod them again like last time (full wood cups, bass ports, custom cable, new headband).  I really miss them for Rock.

 

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Well, the problem with the lower-end Grados is the headband, but you really just have to wear it further forward than you might more comfortable headphones. The pads are slightly itchy since they aren't very soft foam. The problem with these lower-end Grados is that they just don't have very good sound, like, at all. I'm not a treble-head, but I like treble. I also like bass, which is where the Grado SR60/80 fall flat. They sound like answering machines, like you said.

 

The higher-end ones have proper padding on the headband, but your ears touch the baffle plate directly, with only a very thin layer of silk or some kind of fabric in between. That is ridiculously comfortable to me since my ears jut out a little bit, and I can't imagine a lot of other people enjoy having the baffle resting on their ear. I didn't even bother listening to them; in my opinion, no sound quality is worth that level of discomfort, however short or long you have to put up with it.

 

The Audio Technica AD series pretty much renders Grado obsolete, if my understanding of them is correct. Hell, in my experience, I would listen to the Koss KSC75s before I even considered putting on a Grado SR80i.

 

If it helps to give you an idea (since I know Grados have different pads between them that you can swap out), I tried on the RS1i, and the SR325i. I don't know exactly which pads they both use, but the only ones I could stand were the S-cushes.

 

The headband is easy - first thing you do is stretch them to fit your head - it relaxes the clamp, and makes them so much more comfortable.  You then swap the S cush for L cush (bowls) - and (depending on their condition) wash the bowls with fabric softener a couple of time to soften them a little.

 

For bass - all you do is open a couple of ports at the back of the driver.  Dead simple.

 

The AT AD series sounds nothing like the Grados - I haven't come across a headphone yet that captures even close to their sound sig.  IMO they are magic for classic rock, some jazz, and any acoustic music.

 

It sounds to me you gave the Grados hardly any time at all.  It's a pity really - they are great headphones if you spend the time getting to know their strengths.  Comfort definitely isn't one of them - but for me the sound was worth it - and the comfort could be managed.

post #939 of 1099
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Any of the SR series - that way you don't have to spend a lot to get a taste.  The real beauty of them is that you can mod the heck out of them to tailor the sound you want.  It takes a while to get used to the comfort - but it's worth it IMO.  I've owned the Alessandro MS1, SR60, SR325i, RS1.  I've heard all of the SR series though - they are all fairly similar sounding - with difference mainly in refinement and bass slam.

I don't have a Grado now - but pretty sure at some stage I will repurchase the SR325i, and mod them again like last time (full wood cups, bass ports, custom cable, new headband).  I really miss them for Rock.


The headband is easy - first thing you do is stretch them to fit your head - it relaxes the clamp, and makes them so much more comfortable.  You then swap the S cush for L cush (bowls) - and (depending on their condition) wash the bowls with fabric softener a couple of time to soften them a little.

For bass - all you do is open a couple of ports at the back of the driver.  Dead simple.

The AT AD series sounds nothing like the Grados - I haven't come across a headphone yet that captures even close to their sound sig.  IMO they are magic for classic rock, some jazz, and any acoustic music.

It sounds to me you gave the Grados hardly any time at all.  It's a pity really - they are great headphones if you spend the time getting to know their strengths.  Comfort definitely isn't one of them - but for me the sound was worth it - and the comfort could be managed.

Thanks for the advice - I listen to a lot of EDM - how do Grado's fare with that genre?
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And Grado haters are like a cult in their revulsion.

I didn't know Grado hating even existed - I thought it was only beats that got a tough time? biggrin.gif
post #941 of 1099
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I didn't know Grado hating even existed - I thought it was only beats that got a tough time? biggrin.gif


You can just get an SR60 .....if you like it....then its worth going further.....if you don't....just walk away the sound will not be for you.

post #942 of 1099
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Thanks for the advice - I listen to a lot of EDM - how do Grado's fare with that genre?

 

I personally wouldn't use Grado for EDM.  They're a really great headphone for speed - but most EDM lovers like bass impact - and while the Grados have bass - the SR series pretty much has only mid-bass (steep sub bass roll-off).  You can get some decent slam with the SR325i, or the PS500, or RS1 - but I wouldn't say EDM is their forte.

 

Of my current headphones (and I prefer a little less colouration - relatively neutral ticks my boxes), I'd prefer the DT880 or HD700 for EDM over any of the Grados I've owned.  T1s should be here next week - I' hoping they'll be pretty good also.

 

I've seen from some of your posts that you're enjoying the new generation of Beats.  If those are your bass preference, Grado won't do it for you (IMO).

post #943 of 1099
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I personally wouldn't use Grado for EDM.  They're a really great headphone for speed - but most EDM lovers like bass impact - and while the Grados have bass - the SR series pretty much has only mid-bass (steep sub bass roll-off).  You can get some decent slam with the SR325i, or the PS500, or RS1 - but I wouldn't say EDM is their forte.

 

Of my current headphones (and I prefer a little less colouration - relatively neutral ticks my boxes), I'd prefer the DT880 or HD700 for EDM over any of the Grados I've owned.  T1s should be here next week - I' hoping they'll be pretty good also.

 

I've seen from some of your posts that you're enjoying the new generation of Beats.  If those are your bass preference, Grado won't do it for you (IMO).


^ This ^

 

Most people look this way for cans for rock......great for guitars

post #944 of 1099
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You can just get an SR60 .....if you like it....then its worth going further.....if you don't....just walk away the sound will not be for you.

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I personally wouldn't use Grado for EDM.  They're a really great headphone for speed - but most EDM lovers like bass impact - and while the Grados have bass - the SR series pretty much has only mid-bass (steep sub bass roll-off).  You can get some decent slam with the SR325i, or the PS500, or RS1 - but I wouldn't say EDM is their forte.

Of my current headphones (and I prefer a little less colouration - relatively neutral ticks my boxes), I'd prefer the DT880 or HD700 for EDM over any of the Grados I've owned.  T1s should be here next week - I' hoping they'll be pretty good also.

I've seen from some of your posts that you're enjoying the new generation of Beats.  If those are your bass preference, Grado won't do it for you (IMO).

Yeah, I do like beats for what they are, but I like many other cans outside of beats - check my head-fi gallery for lots of pretty photos of my current can collection - lol biggrin.gif

http://www.head-fi.org/g/a/874680/my-headphones/
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^ This ^

Most people look this way for cans for rock......great for guitars

Ok guys, thanks for the heads up, if I get a chance to audition any Grado's in the future I'll give them some time and see how my current music I'm into at such time sounds through these cans for first hand experience, though I kinda had an inkling that these cans are used quite a bit by classical music fans - there's a few Grado can reviews on YouTube that make their sound interpretations based on listening to orchestra recordings and acoustic tracks.

One genre that I listen to second to EDM is metal bands like Iron Maiden, Metallica etc.

I know one member on head-fi who uses different cans for different genres rather than one can covers all method and she uses beats for EDM and Grado PS-500's for acoustic, vocal , classical etc, and rates each can as superb within there own respective applied genre.

I have read a couple of reviews on Grado's flagship, the PS1000, indicating that it was quite versatile in delivering most genres without issue, but I think one of those reviews was by cnets Steve Guttenberg who belittles his reviews I feel, by the constant use of sound bites like "these are game changers" - after you've read the fifth successive review where he drops that phrase, it kind of loses any weight behind it smily_headphones1.gif
Edited by cb3723 - 6/13/14 at 4:35am
post #945 of 1099
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Ok guys, thanks for the heads up, if I get a chance to audition any Grado's in the future I'll give them some time and see how my current music I'm into at such time sounds through these cans for first hand experience, though I kinda had an inkling that these cans are used quite a bit by classical music fans

Grados are probably the last can I'd suggest to use for classical wink.gif. IMO they don't have the sound stage and are too coloured.
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