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post #916 of 1183

This is what I'm talking about:
 

Old beats studio $299.99

Comparable models were around $60 in terms of sound. (Even then, there were surely better ones out there)

 

New Beats studio: $269.99

Comparable models are around $81

 

I'm still not impressed. They're still mucking around the level below UE6000. The beats studio resemble the beats PRO in SQ, but with slightly less bass.

 

Although they're going in the right direction, giving them praise saying they're catering to audiophiles is ridiculous. I don't think a whole lot aside of a few select people go around saying they're audiophiles while only owning a pair of $80 headphones.

 

It's the definition of Overrated.


Edited by Hapster - 6/12/14 at 12:48pm
post #917 of 1183
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Originally Posted by SomeGuyDude View Post
 

These are the ones I'm aware of:

 

  • Ultrasone Edition 10
  • Ultrasone Edition 5
  • Audeze LCD3
  • Stax SR007
  • Stax SR009
  • Abyss AB-1266

Sennheiser Orpheus :D

 

MSRP: $16,000

post #918 of 1183
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Originally Posted by cb3723 View Post


I know I'm not been exploited when I buy beats headphones - it's an informed choice, just as it is when I buy other brands.

 

I didn't mean that buyers are being exploited, I was referring to the so-called "audiophile" community or studio professionals who may take umbrage with Beats marketing & advertisements making claims like "the way music was made to sound", or "the headphones used in all professional recording studios" and all that BS hype.

 

Although now that you mention it, buyers could also feel exploited, which I'm sure is a factor in the frequent criticism / resentment towards Beats. The average guy who buys into their marketing and THINKS he's making an informed decision, saves up and buys what he thinks are top quality headphones, then discovers they're not what the advertising said they were (or realizes that he overpaid for audio he could have had for much less). Someone like that gets pissed and resentful, and goes on a message board like Head-Fi to vent their frustrations and talk smack. Something like that is more the buyers fault for not doing due research before making a purchase, but try telling that to someone who feels like they got ripped off. They're gonna blame it on the big evil company making MILLIONS who lied & misled them, from their point of view.

 

Anyways, I think it's fine if you like Beats and are willing to pay their premium prices. I'm a HUGE Sony fanboy and in SOME regards, they're similar to Beats. That said, I do think Sony's audio quality is far better than Beats, and their product design is one of, if not THE best around. I don't know if Sony makes the same kind of bold claims in their advertising that Beats does, which could be one of the reasons Sony isn't as resented by the community. That, and they have actually produced some extremely high quality audio stuff over the years.

post #919 of 1183
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Originally Posted by thievesarmy View Post
 

 

I didn't mean that buyers are being exploited, I was referring to the so-called "audiophile" community or studio professionals who may take umbrage with Beats marketing & advertisements making claims like "the way music was made to sound", or "the headphones used in all professional recording studios" and all that BS hype.

 

I've never seen one claiming it's used in all recording studios, but the "way music was meant to sound" thing is... about as stock standard of an advertising claim as it gets. That's like complaining because a car manufacturer says their car offers "the smoothest ride on the road" or something. C'mon dude.

post #920 of 1183

C'mon yourself. It is generic, but it's BS. That's just one of their genius ad wizard headlines that I could easily recall because it was so silly. There's plenty of others. It's nothing to get pissed off about but, again all these things contribute to their reputation within the community and subsequent criticism or whatever you want to call it. Like it's this great mystery of the universe WHY they're not respected... oy vey.

post #921 of 1183
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Originally Posted by thievesarmy View Post

I didn't mean that buyers are being exploited, I was referring to the so-called "audiophile" community or studio professionals who may take umbrage with Beats marketing & advertisements making claims like "the way music was made to sound", or "the headphones used in all professional recording studios" and all that BS hype.

Although now that you mention it, buyers could also feel exploited, which I'm sure is a factor in the frequent criticism / resentment towards Beats. The average guy who buys into their marketing and THINKS he's making an informed decision, saves up and buys what he thinks are top quality headphones, then discovers they're not what the advertising said they were (or realizes that he overpaid for audio he could have had for much less). Someone like that gets pissed and resentful, and goes on a message board like Head-Fi to vent their frustrations and talk smack. Something like that is more the buyers fault for not doing due research before making a purchase, but try telling that to someone who feels like they got ripped off. They're gonna blame it on the big evil company making MILLIONS who lied & misled them, from their point of view.

Anyways, I think it's fine if you like Beats and are willing to pay their premium prices. I'm a HUGE Sony fanboy and in SOME regards, they're similar to Beats. That said, I do think Sony's audio quality is far better than Beats, and their product design is one of, if not THE best around. I don't know if Sony makes the same kind of bold claims in their advertising that Beats does, which could be one of the reasons Sony isn't as resented by the community. That, and they have actually produced some extremely high quality audio stuff over the years.

I don't believe beats has exploited people anymore than I don't think Budweiser have exploited people into falsely buying their advertised "king of beers".

You are right to say SONY and Beats are similar (in SOME wink.gif regards) in as much as the original beats solo made by Monster when beats first started were apparently cheaply built and generally shoddy, a far cry from that model today, yet SONY seem to be going down the old Monster beats plastic fantastic route of old in some of their current line up - like the MDR-XB910 - it doesn't look cheap until it's in your hands and you realise that it's virtually all made from plastic and a cheap quality kind at that - comparing them to current beats studio build the SONY's feel third grade garbage that could fall apart any second.

Luckily SONY have managed to not let the cheapness get all the way to the drivers which produce a decent extra bass pleasing sound. I've just got to be extra careful with them though - leaving them on the couch for your dog to lie on them would almost certainly snap something plastic on these down grade build SONY have chose to use frown.gif
post #922 of 1183
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Originally Posted by SomeGuyDude View Post

I've never seen one claiming it's used in all recording studios, but the "way music was meant to sound" thing is... about as stock standard of an advertising claim as it gets. That's like complaining because a car manufacturer says their car offers "the smoothest ride on the road" or something. C'mon dude.

You mean Dre lied? Beats cans don't play the way the artist intended their music was meant to sound? tongue.gif

You may be right, I've just read the shocking reality below! rolleyes.gif



Apple wouldn't have bought beats if they'd of known this - has Dre been arrested yet?

OJ biggrin.gif
post #923 of 1183
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Originally Posted by cb3723 View Post


I don't believe beats has exploited people anymore than I don't think Budweiser have exploited people into falsely buying their advertised "king of beers".

You are right to say SONY and Beats are similar (in SOME wink.gif regards) in as much as the original beats solo made by Monster when beats first started were apparently cheaply built and generally shoddy, a far cry from that model today, yet SONY seem to be going down the old Monster beats plastic fantastic route of old in some of their current line up - like the MDR-XB910 - it doesn't look cheap until it's in your hands and you realise that it's virtually all made from plastic and a cheap quality kind at that - comparing them to current beats studio build the SONY's feel third grade garbage that could fall apart any second.

Luckily SONY have managed to not let the cheapness get all the way to the drivers which produce a decent extra bass pleasing sound. I've just got to be extra careful with them though - leaving them on the couch for your dog to lie on them would almost certainly snap something plastic on these down grade build SONY have chose to use frown.gif

 

Heh. Good points - although a big difference between Bud & Beats is that Bud is CHEAP, and could even be considered a bargain. Key point because even though it may not be the greatest beer in the world (I actually like it a lot, FYI) they're not charging up the @$$ for it. I'd say Bud is a great value, actually. Another thing is, saying "The King of Beers" is one thing, pretty harmless & meaningless - But, what if they were out there saying "the beer chosen by all brewmasters & 5-star restaurants around the world!!!" Are they allowed to say that? Sure, I guess - but I think a lot of brewmasters and  such would be pretty outspoken about the fact that they never chose it, and they may resent them saying they did. I think that's more on par w/ the statements Beats makes regarding audio professionals & audiophiles, etc.


Edited by thievesarmy - 6/12/14 at 3:45pm
post #924 of 1183
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Originally Posted by SomeGuyDude View Post
 Dumb as it sounds, I've gotten more use out of Zero Punctuation reviews than any other source. 

OK here goes.

 

The headphones about which this headphone review is about is the Beats Solo The Beats Solo I mean the original version are really really kool I feel like a rapper rock star when i put them around my neck there colors are really drenched in color like blue and red and black and i know beats solo good because many peepul in hifi community say bad things about them like overpriced and cheap and fall apart but when i wear them at the club girls come to me and hug me and men ask my advice on does their shirt tail look better in or out and i feel so impotent wearing them and i plug them into my plug that plugs into my music and then i take them from my neck and put them on my head and i play them and they are really loud so my girlfrend can hear them even though i am wearing them and they thump and they tinkle at the same time can you thump and tinkle at the same time there you go that is how you know they are really really good these are the original solo that i traded my hd 800s for not the solo2 that just came out but the original dont you agree original is better?

post #925 of 1183
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Originally Posted by thievesarmy View Post

Heh. Good points - although a big difference between Bud & Beats is that Bud is CHEAP, and could even be considered a bargain. Key point because even though it may not be the greatest beer in the world (I actually like it a lot, FYI) they're not charging up the @$$ for it. I'd say Bud is a great value, actually. Another thing is, saying "The King of Beers" is one thing, pretty harmless & meaningless - But, what if they were out there saying "the beer chosen by all brewmasters & 5-star restaurants around the world!!!" Are they allowed to say that? Sure, I guess - but I think a lot of brewmasters and  such would be pretty outspoken about the fact that they never chose it, and they may resent them saying they did. I think that's more on par w/ the statements Beats makes regarding audio professionals & audiophiles, etc.
So, I take it you've yet to see who Budweiser's new advertising partners are now?





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Edited by cb3723 - 6/12/14 at 3:55pm
post #926 of 1183
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Originally Posted by kayandjohn View Post

OK here goes.

The headphones about which this headphone review is about is the Beats Solo The Beats Solo I mean the original version are really really kool I feel like a rapper rock star when i put them around my neck there colors are really drenched in color like blue and red and black and i know beats solo good because many peepul in hifi community say bad things about them like overpriced and cheap and fall apart but when i wear them at the club girls come to me and hug me and men ask my advice on does their shirt tail look better in or out and i feel so impotent wearing them and i plug them into my plug that plugs into my music and then i take them from my neck and put them on my head and i play them and they are really loud so my girlfrend can hear them even though i am wearing them and they thump and they tinkle at the same time can you thump and tinkle at the same time there you go that is how you know they are really really good these are the original solo that i traded my hd 800s for not the solo2 that just came out but the original dont you agree original is better?

HaHa - EPIC biggrin.gif
post #927 of 1183
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Originally Posted by thievesarmy View Post
 

Do people really have a hard time understanding WHY they're the target of hate & criticism? 

 

Let's be honest, most of the "hate" against Beats is not because of sound quality or cheap materials. Plenty of people don't like Grado for the exact same reasons but Grado doesn't get near the amount hipster holier than thou BS that gets thrown at Beats. 

 

Most of the "hate" directed at Beats is petty tribalism. Sheep who want to self identify as 'audiophiles' being part of an exclusive club where it's cool to hate and mock Beats because that's what other people in the "audiophile" club are doing.

 

Beats don't produce a sound signature that I particularly like. Same with Grado. Some people enjoy it, and that's no skin off my nose. The only over rated headphone is one you personally don't enjoy, there are no objectively overrated headphones.

post #928 of 1183
Disagree there. Depends on context. Beats were advertised as having accurate sound and even suitable for studio pro use. That was very overrated and IMO blatant false advertisement. Same with Grado. Advertising PS1000 and PS500 suitable for studio use? That's a joke too.

But if someone raves about liking something, I agree can't say obekectively overrated, its preference. But if something is being advertised and marketed for something its extremely unsuitable for?
post #929 of 1183

Which headphones are most overrated? Anything from Grado. Audio Technica ATH-M50s are pretty overrated, too, but to be fair, I'd recommend them at ~$120.

post #930 of 1183
Eh, I wouldn't go so far as to say the SR60 is overrated. They're damn good at the price point for most people. The problem is that the higher up you go (barring the PS/GS line), you're just getting incremental improvements that get harder to justify unless you really like the sound signature because nothing else really sounds like a Grado.
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