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post #886 of 1184
Well having a sustainable business plan is a definite benefit for a company selling headphones BUT it is still true that manufacturers have to abide by what the market will bear. Perhaps what happened to Stax was indicative of the fact that their prices could only be met by those with extraordinary means to do so? So they are highly regards (so I have read) yet have very minimal market share. Does that mean they are considered "over rated"? Or merely overpriced? In the end it is up to every consumer purchasing anything to decide for themselves if the good or service being purchased actually has value relative to the price. Unfortunately in the badly manipulated fiat currency system we exist under, price valuations are skewed directly proportionally to currency devaluation by endless money printing and that is the truth. Now as to whether or not my LCD3s could be considered "over rated" I have to say that as far as sound quality goes, absolutely not. As far as price goes, quite possibly yes -BUT- that is the price we all pay (pun intended) for having a central bank destroy our currency with endless money printing. If ya want the good stuff, you're gonna hafta pay up sucker! And it's not going to get any better. Want that nice Hugo and LCD-X and a source and cabling etc.? Get ready to part with close to 5 grand to start with before you even have any tunes [of any quality recording] to play on it. Care to call those devices over-rated? Good luck with that...
post #887 of 1184
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Originally Posted by SomeGuyDude View Post

TBH any headphones that require the right music to sound good are not headphones I would want to own. I want headphones that maximize the music I like, I don't want to find music to match my headphones. 

Me too, but I bought them in a sale and was too curious to what they sounded like - bad combination to make a buy I guess but they do appeal to the collector in me smily_headphones1.gif
post #888 of 1184
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Originally Posted by cb3723 View Post


Me too, but I bought them in a sale and was too curious to what they sounded like - bad combination to make a buy I guess but they do appeal to the collector in me smily_headphones1.gif

 

Well that I understand dang well, LOL. It's what may end up with me owning some flagship Grado despite having no plans on listening to them much.

post #889 of 1184
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Originally Posted by inasafeplace View Post

Beats.... I am a flight attendant and I see them everywhere.... old people, young people, men, women... what the ****?

Good marketing could never sell a product that is so universally slagged off by "audiophiles" - the inconvenient truth to why you see so many people with this particular brand is partly due to them actually sounding very good. Beats sound has moved up from its early days of "muddy bass" - and as mud sticks - so has this MB soundbite stuck with Beats haters, and audio snobs largely without a clue.
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Originally Posted by streetdragon View Post

Well that is true, though it is not mentioned here in this thread much because it is already kind of universally understood that it is severely overrated in public eyes.

That doesn't sit comfortably to fact that beats has 60% domestic market share on headphones retailing over $100.
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Originally Posted by ElmersEAR View Post

Dr. Dre, please don't quit your day job.
His beats day job netted him a personal fortune of $600 million USD - I'd say dre could quit work any day - not like he needs the pay.

Audiophile Journalist reviews beats studio 2.0!
WARNING - some viewers may find the content disturbing


Edited by cb3723 - 6/12/14 at 5:44am
post #890 of 1184

The video is Great! Who is the "Part Time Audiophile??"

 

I've found I choose from one set of headphones when I plan to listen to mainly synthetic or electronic music, such as hip-hop, electronica, etc.  These tend to be bass-heavy headphones.  I choose from another set for natural acoustic music, e.g., jazz trios, vocalist with accompaniment, string quartets,etc.

 

Two days ago I had been listening to the former category with the latter category headphones and realized I wanted to switch, so I thought, "Hey I haven't listened with my 4-month-old NAD VISO hp50s for a while," so I used them.

 

After a bit of listening, I thought the bass sounded a bit muffled, so I then put on my Beats Pro... WAY better!  Yes, really, at least for me.

 

I realized I had hardly ever been using my hp50s... I go to the open headphones (Gradp PS500, Sennheiser HD 598s, and most recently, HiFiMAN HE-500), for the acoustic music, and one of my Beats (Pro, Studio 2013 as reviewed above, Studio 2013 wireless, or HeartBeats IEMs) for synthetic / bass music.  NAD hp50s, which are closed like the Beats, had neither the good bass of the Beats nor the open sound of the Grado, Sennheiser, or HiFiMAN.

 

So I traded them away, for a (presumably... don't have them yet - still on the way) higher quality bass-rich IEM (T-PEOS H200).

 

The NAD VISO hp50s were featured on the innerfidelity.com "Wall of Fame," then featured again as one of the headphones that had the unique frequency response that researchers at Harmon Kardon found from user tests of speaker listening was most appealing.  But for me, they did not add to my headphone experience.

 

So for me... the NAD VISO hp50 was my most overrated headphone.  The HiFiMAN HE-500s, on the other hand, are the only ones that can both provide the airy high frequency transparency I look for in acoustic music AND the visceral, palpable bass that I enjoy in the synthetic music.   Quite a find, for me!  And I think that the NAD VISO hp50 would be excellent for use as a single headphone across most music types in situations that required a closed headphone (i.e., when you do not wish to hear or be heard by others).  It could do "OK" in both domains, but not do the bass as well as the bass headphones I mentioned nor the treble characteristics as the open headphones I use.


Edited by ruthieandjohn - 6/11/14 at 2:30pm
post #891 of 1184

Part Time Audiophile is awesome, and a VERY trusted voice, IMO. He's a guy who's reviewed everything from Beats to the Abyss and will simply call it like it is, not what's going to be the most popular to his audience. He and Tyll are amongst my favorite reviewers.

post #892 of 1184
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Originally Posted by SomeGuyDude View Post
 

Part Time Audiophile is awesome, and a VERY trusted voice, IMO. He's a guy who's reviewed everything from Beats to the Abyss and will simply call it like it is, not what's going to be the most popular to his audience. He and Tyll are amongst my favorite reviewers.

Thanks!  I much enjoyed his video, and just had not  encountered him.

post #893 of 1184
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Originally Posted by kayandjohn View Post

The video is Great! Who is the "Part Time Audiophile??"

I've found I choose from one set of headphones when I plan to listen to mainly synthetic or electronic music, such as hip-hop, electronica, etc.  These tend to be bass-heavy headphones.  I choose from another set for natural acoustic music, e.g., jazz trios, vocalist with accompaniment, string quartets,etc.

Two days ago I had been listening to the former category with the latter category headphones and realized I wanted to switch, so I thought, "Hey I haven't listened with my 4-month-old NAD VISO hp50s for a while," so I used them.

After a bit of listening, I thought the bass sounded a bit muffled, so I then put on my Beats Pro... WAY better!  Yes, really, at least for me.

I realized I had hardly ever been using my hp50s... I go to the open headphones (Gradp PS500, Sennheiser HD 598s, and most recently, HiFiMAN HE-500), for the acoustic music, and one of my Beats (Pro, Studio 2013 as reviewed above, Studio 2013 wireless, or HeartBeats IEMs) for synthetic / bass music.  NAD hp50s, which are closed like the Beats, had neither the good bass of the Beats nor the open sound of the Grado, Sennheiser, or HiFiMAN.

So I traded them away, for a (presumably... don't have them yet - still on the way) higher quality bass-rich IEM (T-PEOS H200).

The NAD VISO hp50s were featured on the innerfidelity.com "Wall of Fame," then featured again as one of the headphones that had the unique frequency response that researchers at Harmon Kardon found from user tests of speaker listening was most appealing.  But for me, they did not add to my headphone experience.

So for me... the NAD VISO hp50 was my most overrated headphone.  The HiFiMAN HE-500s, on the other hand, are the only ones that can both provide the airy high frequency transparency I look for in acoustic music AND the visceral, palpable bass that I enjoy in the synthetic music.   Quite a find, for me!  And I think that the NAD VISO hp50 would be excellent for use as a single headphone across most music types in situations that required a closed headphone (i.e., when you do not wish to hear or be heard by others).  It could do "OK" in both domains, but not do the bass as well as the bass headphones I mentioned nor the treble characteristics as the open headphones I use.

Part time audiophile, from what I gather is an audio journalist for high end and personal audio and writes for sites such as audio360.org.

He gets my respect for giving his honest untainted review of the beats studio 2.0's and general overview of "I just don't get it" regarding the constant beats hating that is spewed across the internet and unfortunately here at head-fi too, though thankfully nowhere near as bad as other sites.

This particular video is largely ignored by beats haters and audio snobs who wish to maintain their beats bandwagon of hate unfortunately as it simply does not conform to their default beats hating norm they are so accustomed to vent with.

With regards your disappointment of the NAD Viso HP50's - I found them to be pretty good plugged into direct source (iPad) but responded much better when amped with Fiio E17 - they seem to upscale considerably. I think my expectations were high on these cans with their claims of creating the sound of room speakers, which is a bold claim for any headcan manufacturer to make I guess and TBH, I don't think they achieved this, but when amped, I find these cans superb and not too dissimilar to the Focal Spirit Classics.


But there's no right or wrongs here - everybody hears things individually and though independent online headcan reviews can be very helpful to give a general idea of a cans sound signature - everyone's own ears are their best critics at the end of the day smily_headphones1.gif

I also love the rich sound of the beats pro's and the build quality - those things would survive a zombie apocalypse lol biggrin.gif and extremely comfortable I find also.


ps - glad to hear your HIFIMAN HE-500's are rockin it for you - it's awesome when you find a set of cans that give you the wow factor smily_headphones1.gif
Edited by cb3723 - 6/11/14 at 10:28pm
post #894 of 1184
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Originally Posted by KlarkKentThe3rd View Post

I did listen to way more pairs than I owned. Mostly thanks to a few friendly stores and a friend of the family.

I will not post in this thread anymore, since everyone is all too ready to interpret anything I write as a personal attack.

Oh please. Don't be a drama queen. You made a statement that got called out. If that was your real, well informed opinion, you would be standing up for it and elaborating on why you truly feel that way. Instead you sound like a child that got their feelings hurt. NO one is personally attacking you. Come on now.
post #895 of 1184
Sony mdr-v6. Just because the sub bass and treble are rolled off and dissappear entirely at like 40hz
And 16khz doesn't make it neutral -.-
post #896 of 1184
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Originally Posted by thievesarmy View Post

Disagree. They probably have some models that are sub-par, but I think their high-end stuff is still very nice, both in terms of sound & build. I personally own both the MDR-1R & XBA-H3's, and both of those feel like high quality, luxury items. They also have lower-end utilitarian classics like the MDR-V6 & 7506 that, while not very pricey can hold up to a lot of abuse and still sound great.

I agree.

I also own the MDR-1R's and find them comparable to my Sennheiser Momentums in general, though the Momentums maybe edge it slightly in materials used in build, but nonetheless, the 1R's certainly have that luxury feel to them with a quality sound signature.



On the other hand the SONY MDR-XB910 cans are very plasticky and do feel cheaper than they look, though the extra bass sound I find excellent and fun, just wish they'd laid off the use of so much plastic.
Edited by cb3723 - 6/11/14 at 10:19pm
post #897 of 1184
Most overrated cans to my experience and personal opinion is the Velodyne vTrue - to me the cost and individual look with quality build materials used is disproportionate to its average if not muffled bassy sound signature frown.gif




I appreciate the styling of these cans, just don't think the sound matches up to their promise

Edited by cb3723 - 6/11/14 at 10:55pm
post #898 of 1184

I finally got to see the silver/brown MDR-1R's in person and they're very nice looking, much better than Bose's weird implementation. 

post #899 of 1184
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Originally Posted by cb3723 View Post

Most overrated cans to my experience and personal opinion is the Velodyne vTrue - to me the cost and individual look with quality build materials used is disproportionate to its average if not muffled bassy sound signature frown.gif

 

Is there any praise for these to begin with? My review of them was pretty scathing, as were a few others I've seen; one was actually directed to Velodyne. I have two of them now because of weird circumstances, and they just gather dust.

post #900 of 1184
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Originally Posted by Ishcabible View Post

Is there any praise for these to begin with? My review of them was pretty scathing, as were a few others I've seen; one was actually directed to Velodyne. I have two of them now because of weird circumstances, and they just gather dust.

Maybe not praise here, but there's plenty of reviews praising them elsewhere out there on the tinternets - just google "Velodyne vTrue reviews" to find em smily_headphones1.gif

Sure I've even seen them in a top 10 best headphones recommendation list also - though not sure if it was a best bass headphones top 10 or not - either way - overrated IMO smily_headphones1.gif
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