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post #826 of 1106
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Originally Posted by streetdragon View Post

 The SRH1440 and 1840 i have never seen being recommended or even mentioned here.

 

It's just difficult to recommend them when you can get the HE-500 at the same price.

post #827 of 1106
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Originally Posted by streetdragon View Post
The The SRH1440 and 1840 i have never seen being recommended or even mentioned here.

My opinion is that these headphones, along with the Beyerdynamic T70(p) and T90, occupy bad price points. Those willing to invest $600-700 might as well put the money into highly popular acclaimed favorites like the HE-500, or spend the incremental coin for known variables like the LCD-2, T1, HD 800, et alia.

post #828 of 1106
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Originally Posted by extrabigmehdi View Post

Perhaps not "neutral", but this is what according to your description , most people are looking for: some treble rolloff, and midbass emphasis.

The problem is that people say enforce that they are neutral. When talking about neutral headphones, it's not about what people want... It's about having a flat headphone, with no frequencies emphasized or rolled off.

post #829 of 1106
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Originally Posted by LazBro123 View Post

The problem is that people say enforce that they are neutral. When talking about neutral headphones, it's not about what people want... It's about having a flat headphone, with no frequencies emphasized or rolled off.


Flat how ? You should realize that headphone with a "flat" frequency response , don't actually sound "flat" (i.e neutral) . There's no exact freq response reference of what is supposed to be flat, and ears differ. The mid bass emphasis is often there to compensate a lack of bass extension, or just gives a better sensation of bass "thump". And the treble roll off helps to prevent listening fatigue.

post #830 of 1106

I prefer the sound signature of my Grado PS1000 wich F.R graph is far from flat, to that of my HP1000, wich, i believe, has one of the flattest F.R graph.

 

Even if  a pair of headphones has a ruler flat frequency response, it still doesn't mean anything, if the rest of the system isn't flat, as i have said many times before, it's all a question of system sinergy and personnal tastes.

post #831 of 1106

Since we are talking about neutral and flat, how about some graphs?

 

Yes, our ears are different. For example, flat on most compensation curves for me translates to a noticeable, but minor bump in the highs. Maybe it's younger ears being more sensitive to highs or whatever. But compensation curves try to approximate the typical ear, and are useful for discussion. 

 

InnerFidelity has all 4 headphones in question. 

M50 http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/AudioTechnicaATHM50B2012.pdf

SRH440 http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/ShureSRH440.pdf

HD280 http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/SennheiserHD280Pro.pdf

FA003/HM5 http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/FischerAudioFA003.pdf

 

For reference

MDR-V6 http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/SonyMDRV6.pdf

K701 http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/AKGK701.pdf

SR009 http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/StaxSR009.pdf

 

HeadRoom does not have the FA003/HM5, but they do have the other 3. Perfect since their grapher only does 4 anyways. K701 for reference. 

 

 

 

So, according to Tyll and HeadRoom's compensation curves. 

FA003/HM5. Flat and neutral? Is this a joke? 

HD280. Nice, except highs are somewhat rolled off. 

SRH440. A downward tilt all the way from lower mids through the highs. 

M50. Not bass head, but quite bass heavy. 

post #832 of 1106
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Originally Posted by extrabigmehdi View Post


Flat how ? You should realize that headphone with a "flat" frequency response , don't actually sound "flat" (i.e neutral) . There's no exact freq response reference of what is supposed to be flat, and ears differ. The mid bass emphasis is often there to compensate a lack of bass extension, or just gives a better sensation of bass "thump". And the treble roll off helps to prevent listening fatigue.

Flat against the compensation curve is flat for the average person. If it isn't, then I'm really at a loss of why the compensation curve isn't changed so it is. 

 

Midbass emphasis is not flat. It can help hide the lack of bass extension, and gives a nice thump, and while enjoyable, isn't flat. The treble roll off, regardless of how that helps with fatigue, isn't flat. 

post #833 of 1106

Since i listen with my ears and not with my eyes, i find graphs pretty much useless.

post #834 of 1106
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Originally Posted by ThinkAwesome View Post

Since we are talking about neutral and flat, how about some graphs?

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FA003/HM5 http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/FischerAudioFA003.pdf

 

For reference

MDR-V6 http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/SonyMDRV6.pdf

 

Well, if I compare freq response of HM5 & MDR-V6, there's a hole at 300 hz for the hm5.

However the hole is enough narrow, and not near where the ear is the most sensitive.

So I guess most people won't notice the hole.

The hm5 have more bass extension too, while the v6 roll off quickly.

And the v6 has a steep treble roll off at 10 khz.

The  thd+noise graph of hm5 is better , which suggest it's cleaner.

And the 30 hz square wave response of hm5 is better , better bass.

I'd take the hm5 over the mdr v6 , based on these datas only.

post #835 of 1106

I feel the Lober Headphone Earmuff is extremely overrated.Some how it has a four and a half star rating on Amazon. Once you factor in the dry cleaning bills, because these are dry clean only, you really lose a lot of value and I would suggest looking elsewhere maybe a Stax 007 or 009. 

post #836 of 1106
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Originally Posted by extrabigmehdi View Post

 

Well, if I compare freq response of HM5 & MDR-V6, there's a hole at 300 hz for the hm5.

However the hole is enough narrow, and not near where the ear is the most sensitive.

So I guess most people won't notice the hole.

The hm5 have more bass extension too, while the v6 roll off quickly.

And the v6 has a steep treble roll off at 10 khz.

The  thd+noise graph of hm5 is better , which suggest it's cleaner.

And the 30 hz square wave response of hm5 is better , better bass.

I'd take the hm5 over the mdr v6 , based on these datas only.

Roll off at 10kHz is pretty much well beyond the main range of real life instruments... You lose some upper harmonics and airiness. The dip starting around 5kHz is more problematic since I think some electronic music actually has important stuff here. Then again not a lot of headphones don't have the dip at 5kHz. As you suggested, the midbass hump hides the lack of sub bass extension very very well. 

 

The entire treble is rolled off on the HM5's. Strong tilt up on the 300Hz square wave means mids are overpowering highs. 

 

For the average person, the V6 is a fairly flat headphone through the bass and highs, with a minor midbass hump and low end extension issues. The HM5 is a not quite as flat headphone, that has a more extended bass, but still has the midbass hump, and a rolled off treble. 

post #837 of 1106
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Originally Posted by stacker45 View Post

Since i listen with my ears and not with my eyes, i find graphs pretty much useless.

Look at headphones you are familiar with on graphs. After you figure out how you differ from the graph, the graph can tell you things. 

post #838 of 1106
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Originally Posted by ThinkAwesome View Post

Roll off at 10kHz is pretty much well beyond the main range of real life instruments... You lose some upper harmonics and airiness.

The cut in treble just seems too abrupt. The lack of treble extension is partly hidden by the peak at 10 khz.

The hm5 have more sub bass than the v6, according to the graph, so it certainly need less to "hide it".


Edited by extrabigmehdi - 5/13/13 at 7:38pm
post #839 of 1106
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Originally Posted by Germancub View Post

"What do YOU think?" sums it up.

 

I find the M50 overrated because it is such a highly recommended headphone, yet I think overall it's pretty crappy. It's not about sound signature you don't like... it's about headphones that are highly praised that you don't like. Like I don't care if you think the beats are overrated, because they're not being recommended in every single thread, same goes for something obscure like the Grado SR-100's which are long discontinued.

 

I'm curious to see how different everybody's ears are with FOTM's, commonly recommended headphones and so on, as expected of a highly respected member, Uncle Erik has the right idea! Nobody is wrong and nobody is right :)


So basically, you think the M50s are overrated because they're popular...not because the sound sucks or anything.. ok got it. Its cool to hate popular things.

post #840 of 1106

It really doesn't. The V6 has a tendency to give the impression of well extended treble despite the sharper than normal roll off at 10kHz. The fact that it goes out to 5k without rolling off seems more important in the impression of extension. If you find the treble to be unnatural, I would point more at the Grado like 300Hz square wave response than the drop at 10kHz. I don't get the feeling that something is wrong with the treble, and I can actually hear all the way to 22kHz unlike a lot of people on this forum (judging from the hearing frequency range thread a while back) so if it is such a big deal, I should notice it... 

 

The HM5 still has a midbass hump. It's actually slightly worse than the V6's. I like a nice, reasonable hump in the midbass like a lot of other people, but a midbass hump isn't helping with flat and neutral. 

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