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<%^&$ Tesla rant>

 

You're just jealous because the only entity that can truly appreciate its most endearing aspects is the Salvation Army. 

 

Oh, I sent David (RexAeterna) my DT48's to eventually send to Purrin. Interested to see how those fare.

post #542 of 1099

Sennheiser HD 700...

post #543 of 1099
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Oh, I sent David (RexAeterna) my DT48's to eventually send to Purrin. Interested to see how those fare.

I don't think you're the only one interested there...popcorn.gif
post #544 of 1099
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Sennheiser HD 700.

 

Not sure if enough people have even heard these to make a call as to whether or not they are over-rated. Anyone ?

post #545 of 1099
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Not sure if enough people have even heard these to make a call as to whether or not they are over-rated. Anyone ?

Check the post count. wink.gif

Same thing happens in the other direction with the HD 700 too; not to uh, imply any hanky-panky is going on there. wink_face.gif
post #546 of 1099

I fully expect Sennheiser to sell a million HD700s - they do marketing so much better than Grado. Seems to be a grand total of about 15 PS500 owners on HF. 

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Speaking of Grados, aren't they a bit overrated as well? During my short membership at head-fi, I've seen more rave about the Grados than I would have liked to see.

Call me ignorant, but I really think all of Grado's products in the Prestige Series line use the same driver design with just different cabling, voice coil material, and construction material and aesthetics. Not that I've heard any of them.

 

Yes, Sennheiser does their marketing well. Nonetheless, I'd rather see a Sennheiser booth in local Future Shops, instead of a Monster Beats by Dr.Dre booth. Sennheisers generally offer better price to performance and Beats.

post #548 of 1099
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Speaking of Grados, aren't they a bit overrated as well? During my short membership at head-fi, I've seen more rave about the Grados than I would have liked to see.


Call me ignorant, but I really think all of Grado's products in the Prestige Series line use the same driver design with just different cabling, voice coil material, and construction material and aesthetics.

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Not that I've heard any of them.

And there's the rub.

Try a few of them out before passing judgment. And this isn't meant as an attack. Far too often people take the "armchair quarterback" approach to judging sound though, and you get value judgments passed like this. frown.gif
Edited by obobskivich - 7/8/12 at 8:50pm
post #549 of 1099

Well, living in Winnipeg, it's hard for me to demo decent headphones in retail stores. There aren't many headphones here period.

 

I'd like to refer to Innerfidelity's measurements of the Grado SR 60is and SR 225is (w/ Comfies). If you compare/contrast the two, the differences are extremely minor considering the price cap-- not to say the 225is measured better, exactly.

Don't get me wrong, subtle differences can add up to be quite significant. I believe the SR 225is use UHPLC voice coils, and the SR 60is standard copper voice coils. This might make a difference, like how the strength of magnets affect sound. But are these differences significant enough to induce "Grado upgrade-itus"? Naw, I think.

 

Links to Innerfidelity's measurements : 
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/GradoSR60i.pdf

http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/GradoSR225iComfyPads.pdf

post #550 of 1099
As you listen to more headphones, you'll learn that graphs don't tell you everything. Not fair to make judgements on headphones you have not heard.
post #551 of 1099
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Originally Posted by sunjigglet View Post

Well, living in Winnipeg, it's hard for me to demo decent headphones in retail stores. There aren't many headphones here period.

I'd like to refer to Innerfidelity's measurements of the Grado SR 60is and SR 225is (w/ Comfies). If you compare/contrast the two, the differences are extremely minor considering the price cap-- not to say the 225is measured better, exactly.


Don't get me wrong, subtle differences can add up to be quite significant. I believe the SR 225is use UHPLC voice coils, and the SR 60is standard copper voice coils. This might make a difference, like how the strength of magnets affect sound. But are these differences significant enough to induce "Grado upgrade-itus"? Naw, I think.

Links to Innerfidelity's measurements : 
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/GradoSR60i.pdf
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/GradoSR225iComfyPads.pdf


Again, you admit to not having heard them, so why pass judgment on them? I'm not even trying to defend the brand, I'm just asking for people to not comment on things which they are unqualified to comment upon.
post #552 of 1099
I'm not judging the headphones, say. I'd be at the recommendation thread for that. I'm only commenting on how so many people are buying Grado after Grado... after Grado. There are even Gradoheads out there.

I'm sure the more expensive Grados sound better, and people like Grados for a very good reason. People who review headphones are a bit distant from naive, I think (that's why we have this thread!). There's definitely more than measurements (and driver design) in the big picture. But nonethless, it's perfectly possible for the best headphones to be overrated... if there are such things as the 'best' headphones, that is.

Although measurements don't tell everything, it's one of the few assets a potential buyer has in making his/her decision. That's why I added the links to them. If you only had measurements to compare the SR 60is and the 225is, would you grab the latter over the former? Provided the price difference, I sure wouldn't. Unless the potential buyer has the chance to listen to the two headphones, measurements could even be the only asset to help making his/her decision.

Overrated is harsh, but some headphones definitely get more attention than others-- not always entirely because of superior performance. We'd be naive to say all Grados were puchased purely for performance... or because the people have listened to them beforehand.
post #553 of 1099

I've owned the 325is, MS1 and still own the SR60i and SR80i - my main objection to Grado phones is the sticker price, but compared to their other niche product - phono cartridges - their headphones are a screaming bargain. 

post #554 of 1099
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Originally Posted by sunjigglet View Post

Speaking of Grados, aren't they a bit overrated as well? During my short membership at head-fi, I've seen more rave about the Grados than I would have liked to see.

Call me ignorant, but I really think all of Grado's products in the Prestige Series line use the same driver design with just different cabling, voice coil material, and construction material and aesthetics. Not that I've heard any of them.

 

Yes, Sennheiser does their marketing well. Nonetheless, I'd rather see a Sennheiser booth in local Future Shops, instead of a Monster Beats by Dr.Dre booth. Sennheisers generally offer better price to performance and Beats.

yep, I think Grados, especially the SR 60 are overrated. :)

post #555 of 1099

The hd25 II 1. It's just that any headphone I've tried, including iem, have better sq ( if I  do not count the entry level stuffs).

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