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post #466 of 1106

Most of these headphones I've heard were at two head-fi meets I was at.  They were good turnouts and had a good amount of equipment to test and listen to.

 

With regards to the Beyerdynamic lineup, I honestly don't recall which lower model I heard but it was a fun listen.  The T1 reminded me of an AKG K701...flat and boring.  Then again, it could have been the type of music I was listening to with them.  Either way, they didn't blow me out of the water like others I've heard (Stax, Ultrasone 9, etc.).

 

Grado, yup we agree.  I have an SR80 (not the "i" model).  I don't think they changed much but the original SR-80 is a gem but it just collects dust mostly these days.  I just won't sell it because it's not worth the time, effort, or money to ship to someone I'd be lucky if I got $40 for it before adding shipping costs.

 

Sennheiser HD800, I was demo'ing them next to an Denon LA-7000 and listening to songs like the Eagles - Hotel California and it just was too bright for me to focus on anything else.  In addition, the Lawton Audio modified Denon's were pulling me more at the time.  I refused to throw them on again. 
 

The Ultrasone 9 were ridiculous.  If anyone likes the D7000/LCD2 sound (e.g. decent bass) the 9's do not disappoint.  The guy who owns them is a member here and lives close to me I could perhaps give them a listen again and comment further.   I just remember I loaded up a Blu-ray copy of Dark Knight and watched the scene with Batman, Joker, and the truck and was just gawking at the level of detail and how much punch it gave in the LFE channel.  From an appearance standpoint, they look cheap for the price they command but the sound is incredible.

 

I gave the LCD-2 a good listen and I enjoy the "color" of the Denon's over the LCD-2.  If I want a more natural sound I'll throw on my HD600, both of which look 1000x better (and fit more comfortably) than an LCD-2. 

 

Here's the rig of the member with most of his headphones at one of the meets...if you can see the Ultrasone Edition 9's on the far left, followed by the Lawton Audio, HD800, T1, LCD-2, and a modded D2000. (I think I got them right for which cans they are in the photo).

 

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Originally Posted by Alghazanth View Post




If you found the 880 more enjoyable than the T1, then something was definitely up. The T1 is like a vastly improved DT880.

 

Agree with Grado, the very low end cans are good for a small budget but so much of the lineup is seriously overpriced and/or bad in comparison to what we have now. The "i" series also seems to just add nothing but ridiculously excessive brightness AFAIK. The RS1, HF2 etc have had their day I think.

 

HD800 is a bit too bright, but not much else? Soundstage, detail, etc. And how do you love the HD600 but not the HD800? Very peculiar.

 

What was the ED9 like? Never heard em.

 

LCD2 is honestly straight up superior the D7000 in nearly every way, even though I thought the opposite initially. But if one enjoys more artificial rumbling bass+sparkling highs and recessed mids, then the D7000 is of course better.

 

 

 



 


Edited by N0sferatu - 7/5/11 at 9:39pm
post #467 of 1106

I find that most people here who think the K701's are overrated are using them for the wrong purpose.  I don't think they were ever meant as a headphone to listen and enjoy music with, like the HD650, HD800, LCD2, etc. were designed for.  I find that the K701's work best as an analytical tool to reveal flaws in musical recordings.  Therefore, perhaps you are all overrated for thinking the K701 is bad at something it was never designed to excel at?  That being said, the K701 is still very good at classical music.  Through a tube amp like my Bijou, it doesn't sound far off from the original (yes, I have played in full orchestras and band's before, I do know what they are supposed to sound like).

 

I'm at 150 hours of use on my K701's by the way, they aren't even fully burned in yet, for those of you who believe in that kind of voodoo (like I tend to).

 

As for the most overrated headphone, I'm going to have to agree with the M50.  I loved mine at the time, but after buying the SRH840's and comparing the two, I have to say the M50's are indeed much worse when comparing the two for my particular taste in music.  The low end is so bloated on the M50's are disturbing.  The midrange is much smoother on the 840's, there isn't much contest there.  I bought my M50's for $120 USD, and on Amazon at this moment in time, the 840's are $138.86.  Definitely in the same realm of budget for those of you who say they are twice the price!  Nevertheless, I'm selling my 840's -- so don't think I'm biased because I'm in love with the pair of headphones -- I'm not.

 

 

post #468 of 1106
The people who like the K-701 have little to no experience with AKG's older headphones. Side-by-side, the older and less expensive K-501 gives a more natural, organic listening experience. The K-501 is clearly better, even when used as an analytical headphone. The K-1000 is heads and shoulders better; it was designed for studio work, after all. I also think the Sennheiser HD-600 does a good job of showing up the flaws in the K-701. The HD-600 is another headphone that gets used professionally. If you really want detail, transparency and analysis, buy a Beyerdynamic DT48. Compare its vocals to the K-701. You'll be able to hear where the K-701 goes wrong.
post #469 of 1106
Quote:
Originally Posted by N0sferatu View Post

Most of these headphones I've heard were at two head-fi meets I was at.  They were good turnouts and had a good amount of equipment to test and listen to.

 

With regards to the Beyerdynamic lineup, I honestly don't recall which lower model I heard but it was a fun listen.  The T1 reminded me of an AKG K701...flat and boring.  Then again, it could have been the type of music I was listening to with them.  Either way, they didn't blow me out of the water like others I've heard (Stax, Ultrasone 9, etc.).

 

Grado, yup we agree.  I have an SR80 (not the "i" model).  I don't think they changed much but the original SR-80 is a gem but it just collects dust mostly these days.  I just won't sell it because it's not worth the time, effort, or money to ship to someone I'd be lucky if I got $40 for it before adding shipping costs.

 

Sennheiser HD800, I was demo'ing them next to an Denon LA-7000 and listening to songs like the Eagles - Hotel California and it just was too bright for me to focus on anything else.  In addition, the Lawton Audio modified Denon's were pulling me more at the time.  I refused to throw them on again. 
 

The Ultrasone 9 were ridiculous.  If anyone likes the D7000/LCD2 sound (e.g. decent bass) the 9's do not disappoint.  The guy who owns them is a member here and lives close to me I could perhaps give them a listen again and comment further.   I just remember I loaded up a Blu-ray copy of Dark Knight and watched the scene with Batman, Joker, and the truck and was just gawking at the level of detail and how much punch it gave in the LFE channel.  From an appearance standpoint, they look cheap for the price they command but the sound is incredible.

 

I gave the LCD-2 a good listen and I enjoy the "color" of the Denon's over the LCD-2.  If I want a more natural sound I'll throw on my HD600, both of which look 1000x better (and fit more comfortably) than an LCD-2. 

 

Here's the rig of the member with most of his headphones at one of the meets...if you can see the Ultrasone Edition 9's on the far left, followed by the Lawton Audio, HD800, T1, LCD-2, and a modded D2000. (I think I got them right for which cans they are in the photo).

 

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I hate the K701, it epitomizes exactly what I never want in audio. The T1 is absolutely nothing like it.

 

The HD800 is bright no doubt, but I really don't think it's to a deal-breaking point, and I use what's known to be a bright amp/dac. Again, I don't even like brightness, but the HD800 is certainly nowhere near unlistenable, for me at least. That's the SR225i. The LA7000 is magnificent, though I am selling mine.

 

How do the ED9 compare to the ED8? I do love the ED8 but have heard bad things about the 9.

 

I understand what you mean about having a natural and colored can though. Enjoying one color over another is no surprise of course, just personal preference. For "natural" sound though, outside of electrostats, it's T1 or HE500 imo. The rest I've heard isn't on the same level of immersive and engrossing natural sound (ED8 and HD800 are also not far off). A natural can and a colored can make a fantastic duo, a mix of HE500/T1/D7K/LCD2 is wonderful. The HD600 is great, but I really don't think it can stand up to the HE500 or T1, and they all do the same thing signature-wise.

 


Edited by Alghazanth - 7/5/11 at 10:54pm
post #470 of 1106
Having read this entire thread...as I have understood it...If I had no personal sound preference...and no personality as far as music goes...
I couldn't buy headphones.

Damn.


Kojaku
post #471 of 1106
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kojaku View Post

Having read this entire thread...as I have understood it...If I had no personal sound preference...and no personality as far as music goes...
I couldn't buy headphones.

Damn.


Kojaku

Sure you can, just grab the HD800 which some people seem to insist are the best no matter one's tastes and preferences. Or used to at least.
 

 

post #472 of 1106
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alghazanth View Post



Sure you can, just grab the HD800 which some people seem to insist are the best no matter one's tastes and preferences. Or used to at least.
 

 

The HD-800 is best for me.

I've never thought it best for everyone.

If someone is considering the high end of headphones, the HD-800 should be listened to. It won't appeal to everyone, but absolutely should be considered.
post #473 of 1106
Quote:
Originally Posted by wdahm519 View Post

The low end is so bloated on the M50's are disturbing. 

 

The low end on my M50 (purchased 3 months ago) is not bloated at all. Not the slightest.

 

My terms of comparison are Beyerdynamic DT880 600ohm, Alessandro Ms1, Akg K240. Maybe there is something wrong in your listening chain? Amplification? musical genre? Or maybe you owned an old pair and somehow the design has undergone changes?
 

 

post #474 of 1106

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by wdahm519 View Post

I find that most people here who think the K701's are overrated are using them for the wrong purpose.  I don't think they were ever meant as a headphone to listen and enjoy music with, like the HD650, HD800, LCD2, etc. were designed for.  I find that the K701's work best as an analytical tool to reveal flaws in musical recordings.  Therefore, perhaps you are all overrated for thinking the K701 is bad at something it was never designed to excel at?  That being said, the K701 is still very good at classical music.  Through a tube amp like my Bijou, it doesn't sound far off from the original (yes, I have played in full orchestras and band's before, I do know what they are supposed to sound like).

 

I'm at 150 hours of use on my K701's by the way, they aren't even fully burned in yet, for those of you who believe in that kind of voodoo (like I tend to).

 

As for the most overrated headphone, I'm going to have to agree with the M50.  I loved mine at the time, but after buying the SRH840's and comparing the two, I have to say the M50's are indeed much worse when comparing the two for my particular taste in music.  The low end is so bloated on the M50's are disturbing.  The midrange is much smoother on the 840's, there isn't much contest there.  I bought my M50's for $120 USD, and on Amazon at this moment in time, the 840's are $138.86.  Definitely in the same realm of budget for those of you who say they are twice the price!  Nevertheless, I'm selling my 840's -- so don't think I'm biased because I'm in love with the pair of headphones -- I'm not.


I don't think you've ever heard true "bloated bass", but to each his own.

 

Perhaps you could try a Sony ZX700, or maybe a Grado?

 

post #475 of 1106

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by wdahm519 View Post

I find that most people here who think the K701's are overrated are using them for the wrong purpose.  I don't think they were ever meant as a headphone to listen and enjoy music with, like the HD650, HD800, LCD2, etc. were designed for.  I find that the K701's work best as an analytical tool to reveal flaws in musical recordings.  Therefore, perhaps you are all overrated for thinking the K701 is bad at something it was never designed to excel at?


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post #476 of 1106
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alghazanth View Post

HD800 is a bit too bright, but not much else? Soundstage, detail, etc. And how do you love the HD600 but not the HD800? Very peculiar.



The HD800 is brighter than the HD600.  Not by a whole lot, but enough to put it over the threshold for my preferences.  I think pretty much everything else about it is better, but none of that matters to me if I don't like the tone...

post #477 of 1106
Quote:
Originally Posted by wdahm519 View Post

I find that most people here who think the K701's are overrated are using them for the wrong purpose.  I don't think they were ever meant as a headphone to listen and enjoy music with, like the HD650, HD800, LCD2, etc. were designed for.  I find that the K701's work best as an analytical tool to reveal flaws in musical recordings.  Therefore, perhaps you are all overrated for thinking the K701 is bad at something it was never designed to excel at?  That being said, the K701 is still very good at classical music.  Through a tube amp like my Bijou, it doesn't sound far off from the original (yes, I have played in full orchestras and band's before, I do know what they are supposed to sound like).

 

I'm at 150 hours of use on my K701's by the way, they aren't even fully burned in yet, for those of you who believe in that kind of voodoo (like I tend to).

 

As for the most overrated headphone, I'm going to have to agree with the M50.  I loved mine at the time, but after buying the SRH840's and comparing the two, I have to say the M50's are indeed much worse when comparing the two for my particular taste in music.  The low end is so bloated on the M50's are disturbing.  The midrange is much smoother on the 840's, there isn't much contest there.  I bought my M50's for $120 USD, and on Amazon at this moment in time, the 840's are $138.86.  Definitely in the same realm of budget for those of you who say they are twice the price!  Nevertheless, I'm selling my 840's -- so don't think I'm biased because I'm in love with the pair of headphones -- I'm not.

 

 

 

 

Considering the Sony SA5000 and beyerdynamic DT880 are more detailed than the K701 in the same 'mid-fi' price range....

Also if it wasn't 'intended' for music listening...it wouldn't be advertised as such nor be in the likes of the Apple store..

Weak reasoning is weak.


 

post #478 of 1106
Quote:
Originally Posted by chinesekiwi View Post

Considering the Sony SA5000 and beyerdynamic DT880 are more detailed than the K701 in the same 'mid-fi' price range....

Also if it wasn't 'intended' for music listening...it wouldn't be advertised as such nor be in the likes of the Apple store..

Weak reasoning is weak.



The SA5000 has even more rolled off bass though.  If it was flat down to 20hz or so with no other changes I think the SA5000 would almost be worth full MSRP.

post #479 of 1106
Quote:
Originally Posted by N0sferatu View Post

Most of these headphones I've heard were at two head-fi meets I was at.  They were good turnouts and had a good amount of equipment to test and listen to.

 

With regards to the Beyerdynamic lineup, I honestly don't recall which lower model I heard but it was a fun listen.  The T1 reminded me of an AKG K701...flat and boring.  Then again, it could have been the type of music I was listening to with them.  Either way, they didn't blow me out of the water like others I've heard (Stax, Ultrasone 9, etc.).

 

Grado, yup we agree.  I have an SR80 (not the "i" model).  I don't think they changed much but the original SR-80 is a gem but it just collects dust mostly these days.  I just won't sell it because it's not worth the time, effort, or money to ship to someone I'd be lucky if I got $40 for it before adding shipping costs.

 

Sennheiser HD800, I was demo'ing them next to an Denon LA-7000 and listening to songs like the Eagles - Hotel California and it just was too bright for me to focus on anything else.  In addition, the Lawton Audio modified Denon's were pulling me more at the time.  I refused to throw them on again. 
 

The Ultrasone 9 were ridiculous.  If anyone likes the D7000/LCD2 sound (e.g. decent bass) the 9's do not disappoint.  The guy who owns them is a member here and lives close to me I could perhaps give them a listen again and comment further.   I just remember I loaded up a Blu-ray copy of Dark Knight and watched the scene with Batman, Joker, and the truck and was just gawking at the level of detail and how much punch it gave in the LFE channel.  From an appearance standpoint, they look cheap for the price they command but the sound is incredible.

 

I gave the LCD-2 a good listen and I enjoy the "color" of the Denon's over the LCD-2.  If I want a more natural sound I'll throw on my HD600, both of which look 1000x better (and fit more comfortably) than an LCD-2. 

 

Here's the rig of the member with most of his headphones at one of the meets...if you can see the Ultrasone Edition 9's on the far left, followed by the Lawton Audio, HD800, T1, LCD-2, and a modded D2000. (I think I got them right for which cans they are in the photo).

 

1000x500px-LL-306dcc56_IMG_2176.jpg

 



 



 



Quote:
Originally Posted by Alghazanth View Post




I hate the K701, it epitomizes exactly what I never want in audio. The T1 is absolutely nothing like it.

 

The HD800 is bright no doubt, but I really don't think it's to a deal-breaking point, and I use what's known to be a bright amp/dac. Again, I don't even like brightness, but the HD800 is certainly nowhere near unlistenable, for me at least. That's the SR225i. The LA7000 is magnificent, though I am selling mine.

 

How do the ED9 compare to the ED8? I do love the ED8 but have heard bad things about the 9.

 

I understand what you mean about having a natural and colored can though. Enjoying one color over another is no surprise of course, just personal preference. For "natural" sound though, outside of electrostats, it's T1 or HE500 imo. The rest I've heard isn't on the same level of immersive and engrossing natural sound (ED8 and HD800 are also not far off). A natural can and a colored can make a fantastic duo, a mix of HE500/T1/D7K/LCD2 is wonderful. The HD600 is great, but I really don't think it can stand up to the HE500 or T1, and they all do the same thing signature-wise.

 

You almost got it right....

The ones on the left side of the rack are the Ultrasone Edition 9 recabled with Apuresound V3 balanced. The next ones are not the Lawton Audio, they are the JVC/RCA DX1000 recabled with Zeus cable balanced. The next one is the HD800 recabled with the DHC Complement and internally modified replacing the internal SPC little wire from the connectors to the drivers with a OCC WireWorld wire. The next to the right are the T1 recabkled with Zeus balanced cable then to the right the LCD (those are not mine) and one the right side of the rack are not the D2000 but the D7000 martially Markl moded and with JMoney ear pads. Not shown in the picture are the HE-6 with Zeus balanced cable and the D2000 partially Markl moded with JMoney pads and Amboyna Burl wood cups.
 

 

 

post #480 of 1106
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Originally Posted by Uncle Erik View Post

The HD-800 is best for me.

I've never thought it best for everyone.

If someone is considering the high end of headphones, the HD-800 should be listened to. It won't appeal to everyone, but absolutely should be considered.

 

I love the HD800, though I find it annoying that some people consider them the very best no matter one's musical and tonal preferences. Not everyone listens exclusively to Classical, Light and Prog Rock, Jazz, and the like. Those that do, however, are in for one hell of a treat wink.gif

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