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post #3436 of 10585
I have to say, I'm very surprised at how negative the response has been to the Fazor integration with the LCD-2. Admittedly, I haven't heard the LCD-2F (though I did love the LCD-X and XC). Does anyone happen to know why specifically a waveguide would lead to reduced bass extension?
post #3437 of 10585
I haven't heard anything other than the Rev1. But it seems each time Audeze makes a change it makes the LCD2 more neutral, airy and brighter. With each change the LCD-2 is losing a bit of it's uniqueness which is too bad on my opinion as they seem to be losing their charm a little bit.
post #3438 of 10585
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Originally Posted by Taowolf51 View Post

I have to say, I'm very surprised at how negative the response has been to the Fazor integration with the LCD-2. Admittedly, I haven't heard the LCD-2F (though I did love the LCD-X and XC). Does anyone happen to know why specifically a waveguide would lead to reduced bass extension?


I'd be very interested in the reasoning behind this as well. It doesn't seem that the waveguide should have such a drastic effect on bass extension. Could be missing something here.

post #3439 of 10585
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I'd be very interested in the reasoning behind this as well. It doesn't seem that the waveguide should have such a drastic effect on bass extension. Could be missing something here.

My theory is that it allows the mids and treble to leave the grill in a more cohesive fashion therefore sounding more forward. Each frequency has a perceived effect on the other and if the mids and treble are more forward the bass will seem to be rolled off.
post #3440 of 10585
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My theory is that it allows the mids and treble to leave the grill in a more cohesive fashion therefore sounding more forward. Each frequency has a perceived effect on the other and if the mids and treble are more forward the bass will seem to be rolled off.


I'm doubtful of that. Especially when Tyll's latest round of measurements show a distinct bass roll-off/shelving.

 

It should be possible to increase cohesiveness throughout the spectrum without affecting the bass. So clearly we're missing some technical aspect here that's affecting the bass performance. Have there been any pad/frame/enclousre differences with the new fazor models?


Edited by OJNeg - 7/6/14 at 11:26am
post #3441 of 10585

I think it's just an engineering problem... the 3F lost even more bass according to measurements, but look at the X and XC - they have fantastic bass. The Fazor was first implemented with those two models, which use their thinnest, latest driver. Seems to me that they just couldn't re-tune the old drivers to behave like the new thin ones. The old drivers don't seem to be able to be taught new tricks. That argument may be lost, b/c I think I read somewhere the 3 may use the same driver as the X series... but I've been searching around for a few minutes and can't find that again. I just want to be transparent and correct :D. The Fazor tech is clearly objectively better in many areas... hopefully Audeze continues syngerstic development with all factors included in their design to retain their base market with upcoming releases. I still love these 2F's more than almost everything else I've ever tried.

post #3442 of 10585

Can someone help me perhaps? I want to treat the leather on my LCD-2.2 with fazor , but I'm not sure what kind of treatment to use, can I use any leather care product? Or should I get the official stuff from audeze?


Edited by DarrenLays - 7/6/14 at 3:50pm
post #3443 of 10585
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Originally Posted by OJNeg View Post
 


I'm doubtful of that. Especially when Tyll's latest round of measurements show a distinct bass roll-off/shelving.

 

It should be possible to increase cohesiveness throughout the spectrum without affecting the bass. So clearly we're missing some technical aspect here that's affecting the bass performance. Have there been any pad/frame/enclousre differences with the new fazor models?

 

I believe that the new fazor LCD-2 models have the thicker, squishier pads such as the LCD-3's have, I read that in a few reviews, and from my impressions of the LCD-3 I tried awhile back, the pads feel pretty dam similar

post #3444 of 10585
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I believe that the new fazor LCD-2 models have the thicker, squishier pads such as the LCD-3's have, I read that in a few reviews, and from my impressions of the LCD-3 I tried awhile back, the pads feel pretty dam similar
how do they affect the sound?
post #3445 of 10585
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Originally Posted by DarrenLays View Post

Can someone help me perhaps? I want to treat the leather on my LCD-2.2 with fazor , but I'm not sure what kind of treatment to use, can I use any leather care product? Or should I get the official stuff from audeze?
Any leather protector works fine. I used some wipes from the car care section in the hardware store.
post #3446 of 10585
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how do they affect the sound?

 

I'm not 100% sure, I haven't heard other revisions. But I love them to death, I previously had HE-500, but the treble on them with my o2+odac was a tiny bit to bright for me, I don't have that issue anymore on my LCD-2's. 

 

They do sound more mid-focused, but the bass is still there for sure, I'm not sure how it compares to others though because I haven't heard other revisions.  Also confused because my response curve is MUCH different than the LCD-2 fazors that tyll received..  I have a 3-4 DB reduction below 40 to 0 hz, and his was only like 1-2db.

 


Edited by DarrenLays - 7/6/14 at 4:18pm
post #3447 of 10585
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I'm not 100% sure, I haven't heard other revisions. But I love them to death, I previously had HE-500, but the treble on them with my o2+odac was a tiny bit to bright for me, I don't have that issue anymore on my LCD-2's. 

 

They do sound more mid-focused, but the bass is still there for sure, I'm not sure how it compares to others though because I haven't heard other revisions.  Also confused because my response curve is MUCH different than the LCD-2 fazors that tyll received..  I have a 3-4 DB reduction below 40 to 0 hz, and his was only like 1-2db.

 

 

That graph is not indicating a 20hz rolloff at all, about a 5 db shelving from 33hz down.  Taken from the 1khz reference, 20 hz is within F3 (-3d point).  A shelving means the sound is there, a roll off means the sound went AWOL.  I personally don't think that the Fazor response would be problematic in the bass, and I have already declared myself as an audiophile basshead.
post #3448 of 10585
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Nowhere did I use any of those terms I just said there was a reduction in the 0-40 hz region (although should of said a reduction from 20-40 because I just realized there's no 0 on the graph), not a roll-off :P But you did explain it better for sure.

 

I've never heard the term shelving though, and since you used it describing everything I now know :D.

 

 

But yeah, I can still hear every bass frequency perfectly clear, a few have told me the earlier revisions have more "slam" but I feel these still have that, at higher volumes I can definitely feel my entire cheek and ear rattle with low rumbles. (something I really like, such a cool feeling XD)


Edited by DarrenLays - 7/6/14 at 4:40pm
post #3449 of 10585

Darren, I wasn't referring to you at all, although I did quote you in reference to that graph, my mistake, I really should clarify things better.

post #3450 of 10585
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Darren, I wasn't referring to you at all, although I did quote you in reference to that graph, my mistake, I really should clarify things better.

 

sorry buddy I got confused :p

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