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post #3406 of 9926
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Originally Posted by Lohb View Post
 

There is a line level circuit board that you can insert between the LCD-2 and your amp that brings up the mids (or any area you want changed) on pre-Fazor cans. There is one guy in Europe and one guy in USA that makes them custom to your frequency response and it is different to parametric EQ which is supposed to have more pronounced knock-on effects. Therefore you can keep your sub/bass intact and focus on the areas you want to change in mids/treble etc.

You can fix an underpowered car by modding the engine... it doesn't mean the car is better, only that the upgrades worked. Just my view, YMMV. 'd love to hear about these boards, if you have more info.

post #3407 of 9926

Yep, that's right.

I'll dig out the pdf or the link but the great thing is, each small board (and they are small) is custom made to the can's signature.


Edited by Lohb - 7/1/14 at 9:47pm
post #3408 of 9926
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Originally Posted by Lohb View Post

Yep, that's right.
I'll dig out the pdf or the link but the great thing is, each small board (and they are small) is custom made to the can's signature.

Interested to know more about this board.
post #3409 of 9926

I could not attach it in here, so I dumped it in my old tablet dropbox account.

 

Here is the pdf...

Original author/website links are inside.

 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6m575t3ys0wruhb/The%20Box%20%28Nov-06-2013%29.pdf

post #3410 of 9926
Guys, how can I tell apart which version of the LCD-2 I was testing? The seller didn't know, but it was with the bamboo cups. Was it 2.2 or Fazor?
post #3411 of 9926
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Originally Posted by PsiCore View Post

Guys, how can I tell apart which version of the LCD-2 I was testing? The seller didn't know, but it was with the bamboo cups. Was it 2.2 or Fazor?

 

How could we know if we dont see the manufacturing date xD

post #3412 of 9926
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Originally Posted by Megalomaniak View Post

 

How could we know if we dont see the manufacturing date xD

 



Haha, I thought maybe the cups are different for the versions wink.gif
Oh well, so I loved the LCD-2, but I don't know which one biggrin.gif
post #3413 of 9926
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Originally Posted by PsiCore View Post

Guys, how can I tell apart which version of the LCD-2 I was testing? The seller didn't know, but it was with the bamboo cups. Was it 2.2 or Fazor?

 

Can you ask the seller for the serial number?

post #3414 of 9926
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Originally Posted by jodgey4 View Post
 

Some of you might remember me freaking out when I saw the FR plots showing recessed sub-bass in the Fazor models. I want to discuss that a little bit, now that I know these cans. I don't think these issues are amp related. My cans are out with Saoshyant right now for an audition, I've traded for his HE-400's (I'll write a review on them soon... tl;dr as related to this thread - comparing bass between these two cans is a no-go IMHO).

 

The roll-off/recession is quite noticable, and frankly, ruins the idea of the 'classic Audeze house sound' going forward unless serious changes are made. While bass is still just as tight and textured, the lack of perceived extension does two things::

1. Listening at low volumes is not engaging. You need low bass for things to have proper body, which I expect out of a top-tier can.

2. These cans are no longer the most natural can I've heard, that goes to the non-F 2.2's by a longshot, then NAD HP50's.

 

So what has the Fazor done? It's created mids and treble that sound more hi-fi, with all the same level of detail, with better seperation and timing. Treble has lost its smokey flavor in exchange for something more bland and sterile. These changes should have been left for a new model. The first time I heard an acoustic bass on the non-F 2.2's... I could've died right there a happy man. The sense of realism, with all the low rumblings of acoustic reverberation in the recording, made you feel like you're in a jazz hall. The more intimate stage (and honestly still some of the best imaging I've ever heard) just fit the frequency response in such a grand way... with old school styling, no doubt this is what led them to fame.

 

So am I having buyer's remorse? I don't know. The first week I had my cans on, there was nothing super exciting about them, but they really grew on me in a way I never would've expected. Perhaps it was just the me rediscovering old music in a new hi-fi way, idk. Would I do it again differently in the future? Probably, both for sound's sake and for the extra cash savings. My only hope is that Audeze gets the Fazor working with sub-bass and the old smokey, intimate sound in the future... then I'll throw money at them blindly :biggrin:.

 

Anyways, I'd like to hear your thoughts.

 

Audeze, like any good company, listen and respond to consumer trends.  Unfortunatalely, there are entire headphone forums dedicated to rubbishing everything Audeze.  These circle jerkers have achieved enough influence to spread their misinformation and biases to headfi...the LCD2 Super Hype Train backfired, Audeze responded and diluted their vision...a bottoms up approach to hi fidelity, which was unique, because no one seemed to have realised that whilst fidelity has been achieved to death up top, the bottom end has always sounded ridiculously mid fi at best.

 

Now we need to understand why the LCD2 Super Hype Train exploded on the scene the way it did.  Prior to its release, new flagships were being introduced - these new breeds were closing the gap between the articulation of electrostats and dynamics...only one problem....all had a tipped up treble (I personally found the Beyerdynamic T1 to be not bright and very well balanced in frequency reponse, but others hear it also as very bright).

 

The flahship STAX was the 007 at this time, the 009 was not yet out.  The 007 had a non bright darkish sound, not unlike the HD650, which by now lost its flagship status to the bright HD800...there existed a void.  The hi end, was, without doubt....getting brighter and brighter.  In many ways.  For the true HD650 fanboys (and HD600 for many), for which there were numerous numbers of, due to the influence that Sennheisser achieved - helped no end for being the creators of the mythical Orpheus fully tubed system, it was a frustrating time.  One could clearly hear the impressive articulation of the newer flagships, but one was locked right out....unless one was able to go the whole hog with the 007 system.

 

This void, this vacuum, was shattered by Audeze, and like air rushing into a shattered vacuum, they came...all of us, for one moment, hi-fidom was turned upside down.  We who had lurked in the dark shadows of hi fi for so long were now in the spotlight, something seemingly impossible had occured. We got gleeful, we got cheeky (we as in me and only me) we tooted the horn as loud as possible, then stuck a microphone to the horn and turned up the PA system to wide open throttle. 

 

I thought it was playful, but feelings got hurt.  We even clarified that we were only joking around, and that they need not worry, as our time will be fleeting, to let us enjoy our time amongst the elite, for it would be temporary, we knew we were in a bandwagon that will not last, things will return as was.  Hi fi will be theirs again and they can keep it.  Until then....horns were tooted.  We made a lot of noise.

 

The brighter STAX 009 was released, the writing was on the wall, the counter movement picked up momentum.  The counter strike would occur.  I fled and exhiled for two years, and returned when it was safe to do so...but I was wrong, it was not safe.  In the aftermath, the LCD2 became the laughing stock of elitists, its supporters mocked.  A taste of my own medicine, perhaps. 

 

They can have hi fi, they can keep it too,  I shall return to my exhile, never to return...but then something strange happened...members, new members whom I had never known, new members whom inspired me.  Members who felt my pain, supported me even.  Then...new research, new research that reignited my desire to understand myself, to research myself.

 

My butt hurts no longer...my desire to start my own forum to exact my revenge subsided...no that was a lie, my butt never did hurt enough for me to ever start a forum of my own.  Its just a freakin headphone.

 

:tongue:

 

Y'know, in an alternate reality WWW3 was actually started within headfi over a freakin headphone, it would't surprise me.  :wink_face:

 

That bass rolloff is prolly just a measurement artifact!   :wink:

post #3415 of 9926
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Originally Posted by Loquah View Post

 

Can you ask the seller for the serial number?

 



There were two numbers:
789270090774 on the box
and some certificate serial 5422912
post #3416 of 9926
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Originally Posted by SP Wild View Post
 

 

Audeze, like any good company, listen and respond to consumer trends.  Unfortunatalely, there are entire headphone forums dedicated to rubbishing everything Audeze...

That bass rolloff is prolly just a measurement artifact!   :wink:

One of the most interesting, insightful, and most un-Head-Fi like post I've read in a while... a great synopsis of how Audeze rose to success. I wish I had some long, elegant, response, but the Summit-Fi scene is one I'm much too young in to comment on.

 

I spent a lot of time researching cans on here before I finally went for an audition where I heard the 2's, X's, XC's, 3's, K812, T1, and TH-600. Thankfully for my wallet, the LCD-2's spoke to me the most, more than any other. Natural was the word... just a touch dark beyond 'neutral' in the treble for longer sessions, and bass and mids so well together, they acted as one cohesive voice.

 

The T1, while close to neutral besides a minor spike in measurements, just sounded sterile, though if I was needing a can for professional audio work, I'd've walked out with those, or the more enjoyable and brighter K812 (which I enjoyed so thoroughly, I've ordered Q701's to try my luck on the supposed AKG house sound, prepared to flip them worst case). This was my first experience with the TOTL cans, so any historical bias would've been lost on me. All I brought was my ears... they wanted the 2's by a long shot.

 

Coming from a drumming background as my old main hobby, I can tell you, as much as any brand tries, there is a house sound to almost any brand no matter how hard they try to get away from it. Take cymbals:: Paiste is always shimmering, Istanbul Agop dark and complex and trashy, Bosphorus buttery and warm. Now, Audeze... all cans, even the new X and XC which were supposed to be in a new direction, still had unending, tight bass, slightly lush mids, and smokey, though more present treble. With the 2 Fazor, all development since the X says these characteristics are going away. Those characteristics are what brought some serious smiles to my face.

 

And as for being a measurement artifact (perhaps the vegan pads play a role too)... every Fazor model has the dip right in a range where rumble and body come from. Artifact?... I don't think so. Is the Fazor a bold step, sure to gain them many fans as they move towards more middle ground... absolutely. And more power to everyone on that front. I'm still happy with what I've got, but they are not the 2's everyone around here probably expect.

 

And yes, it's a darn can. I'm not really that worked up about it... just at the end of the day when I put them on... it makes me wonder. WW3 could easily start here, haha.


Edited by jodgey4 - 7/2/14 at 7:43am
post #3417 of 9926
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Originally Posted by PsiCore View Post

There were two numbers:
789270090774 on the box
and some certificate serial 5422912

My Fazor ones are 5422877... so yours are probably as well.

post #3418 of 9926
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Originally Posted by jodgey4 View Post
 

My Fazor ones are 5422877... so yours are probably as well.


That's interesting. Many say the Fazor have a lot less bass and I didn't feel they lacked in that area (and I'm a basshead). But if indeed the other versions have more yet controlled rumble - man, these must be my dream headphones :D

post #3419 of 9926

when i asked for a warm and nice bass many said that audeze lcd rev2 would be a good choice, i feel that the audeze lacks in bass compared to mad dogs.

 

i tried the audeze it with my chord hugo, also I wish for more warmth and depth i find and the audeze also bright compared to mad dogs

 

i think the mad dogs are great, and also the audeze lcd2 are amazing but i wish for more bass impact

 

could it be my chord hugo, do i need a different amp 

post #3420 of 9926

jodgey4, I couldn't have said it any better myself.  :bigsmile_face:

 

 

 


Edited by SP Wild - 7/3/14 at 6:30am
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