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post #3361 of 4119

I'm not sure how many hours I have on my LCD-2's. I love the sound of these cans. Such a big change from my Grados. More open, damn near ruler straight FR. Timbre is great. Clarity and detail abound. Coming from Grado's it was a bit hard at first. On one hand I could instantly tell the LCD-2's were much better sounding, more neutral, like a perfect blend of sounds. Where as my Grado's have this in your face highs and vocals that just jump out at me but not in a good way once I listened to the LCD-2's.

 

To be honest after reading reviews I expected a lot more bass from the LCD-2's and was very pleased when I discovered that the bass is not overly done (which goes with that great FR chart. The bass is good, it fits well with all the other frequencies and not overly done. The highs aren't nearly as bright as the Grado's and what a relief! After about an hour with my 325's I'd be turning the volume down because I'd catch myself wincing every time a snare went off. Way too pronounced. Now with the LCD-2's I can hear all of the instruments clearly, cleanly and detailed. Nothing is fatigueing at all and I can listen to music for hours on end. Just beautiful blissful music.

 

If I had to use just a few words to describe the LCD-2 I'd have to pick: Natural, detailed, & lush.

 

 

I have a recording of a friends band from many years ago. I've seen these guys play more times than I can remember at shows, in our garages etc. I know their music as if it were my own. The bottom line is I know their music intimately and the LCD-2's are the first cans I have listend to that actually sounded accurate and instantly brought back memories of listening to these guys live. I was pretty impressed. This is not something my Grado's could do. And I actually really like the grado's but the LCD-2 is just on a completely different level.

 

 

I've ordered an upgrade cable for the LCD-2 and look forward to trying it out. If I had one complaint about the LCD-2 it would be the stock cable. It's a flat cable and just doesn't work for me. Oh and I might complain that the cans are kinda heavy but considering I ride motorcycles I'm used to having lids on my head so these can's aren't a big deal at all but they are pretty heavy. Some people might now like that.

post #3362 of 4119

I've been glancing at reviews of the 560. Looks nice. But it seems the LCD-2 still have the magical tone advantage which I cannot live without, I've decided. Vocals put me in a trance, they are so beautiful sounding. I'm super satisfied with the treble as well, its very clear just a little laid back. Perfect for my ears honestly. Just so easy to listen to

post #3363 of 4119
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Originally Posted by mogulmaster View Post
 

I've been glancing at reviews of the 560. Looks nice. But it seems the LCD-2 still have the magical tone advantage which I cannot live without, I've decided. Vocals put me in a trance, they are so beautiful sounding. I'm super satisfied with the treble as well, its very clear just a little laid back. Perfect for my ears honestly. Just so easy to listen to

 

Totally agree. You cant leave Audeze's sound once you get into it.

post #3364 of 4119
I debated waiting for the 560's, but am glad I went with the LCD's, and would do it all over again.
post #3365 of 4119
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Originally Posted by fenderf4i View Post

I debated waiting for the 560's, but am glad I went with the LCD's, and would do it all over again.

 

Just read the 560's thread looking for some comparison to LCD 2.2, the opinions vary except their weight and soundstage probably. But for now I just enjoyed my time with LCD 2.

post #3366 of 4119
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Originally Posted by kupleh View Post

Just read the 560's thread looking for some comparison to LCD 2.2, the opinions vary except their weight and soundstage probably. But for now I just enjoyed my time with LCD 2.

A lighter weight would be nice, but it's manageable, and I love the build quality and design of the LCD's , along with the sound of course.
post #3367 of 4119
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Originally Posted by Amish View Post
 

I'm not sure how many hours I have on my LCD-2's. I love the sound of these cans. Such a big change from my Grados. More open, damn near ruler straight FR. Timbre is great. Clarity and detail abound. Coming from Grado's it was a bit hard at first. On one hand I could instantly tell the LCD-2's were much better sounding, more neutral, like a perfect blend of sounds. Where as my Grado's have this in your face highs and vocals that just jump out at me but not in a good way once I listened to the LCD-2's.

 

To be honest after reading reviews I expected a lot more bass from the LCD-2's and was very pleased when I discovered that the bass is not overly done (which goes with that great FR chart. The bass is good, it fits well with all the other frequencies and not overly done. The highs aren't nearly as bright as the Grado's and what a relief! After about an hour with my 325's I'd be turning the volume down because I'd catch myself wincing every time a snare went off. Way too pronounced. Now with the LCD-2's I can hear all of the instruments clearly, cleanly and detailed. Nothing is fatigueing at all and I can listen to music for hours on end. Just beautiful blissful music.

 

If I had to use just a few words to describe the LCD-2 I'd have to pick: Natural, detailed, & lush.

 

 

I have a recording of a friends band from many years ago. I've seen these guys play more times than I can remember at shows, in our garages etc. I know their music as if it were my own. The bottom line is I know their music intimately and the LCD-2's are the first cans I have listend to that actually sounded accurate and instantly brought back memories of listening to these guys live. I was pretty impressed. This is not something my Grado's could do. And I actually really like the grado's but the LCD-2 is just on a completely different level.

 

 

I've ordered an upgrade cable for the LCD-2 and look forward to trying it out. If I had one complaint about the LCD-2 it would be the stock cable. It's a flat cable and just doesn't work for me. Oh and I might complain that the cans are kinda heavy but considering I ride motorcycles I'm used to having lids on my head so these can's aren't a big deal at all but they are pretty heavy. Some people might now like that.

 

Great impressions, they match my impressions when I first heard them.  Totally agree about the bass issue, they are not bass emphasised in anyway whatsoever.  I can't work out those that think the LCD2s are bass emphasised, I never heard anytrack that had a bass emphasis.  The D7000s to me are more neutral in the bass...but recordings can get bass heavy if they were recorded to sound good on small speakers.

 

I do feel however that the new breed of planars are getting lighter and more ergonomic...IMO Audeze can not afford to fall behind in this regard in todays climate.

post #3368 of 4119
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Originally Posted by SP Wild View Post
 

 

Great impressions, they match my impressions when I first heard them.  Totally agree about the bass issue, they are not bass emphasised in anyway whatsoever.  I can't work out those that think the LCD2s are bass emphasised, I never heard anytrack that had a bass emphasis.  The D7000s to me are more neutral in the bass...but recordings can get bass heavy if they were recorded to sound good on small speakers.

 

I do feel however that the new breed of planars are getting lighter and more ergonomic...IMO Audeze can not afford to fall behind in this regard in todays climate.

 

Agreed in all respects.

post #3369 of 4119
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Originally Posted by SP Wild View Post
 

 

Great impressions, they match my impressions when I first heard them.  Totally agree about the bass issue, they are not bass emphasised in anyway whatsoever.  I can't work out those that think the LCD2s are bass emphasised, I never heard anytrack that had a bass emphasis.  The D7000s to me are more neutral in the bass...but recordings can get bass heavy if they were recorded to sound good on small speakers.

 

I do feel however that the new breed of planars are getting lighter and more ergonomic...IMO Audeze can not afford to fall behind in this regard in todays climate.

So you'd prefer single sided drivers (with less control over the drivers) and a cheap looking veneer finish instead to make them lighter? Sorry, not me.

post #3370 of 4119
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post
 

So you'd prefer single sided drivers (with less control over the drivers) and a cheap looking veneer finish instead to make them lighter? Sorry, not me.

 

You know me MH, I never had an issue with weight or comfort with my LCD2s.  I was thinking more about the OPPO, and I never heard a single ended planar so can't really comment either, but it is true that quite a few have issues with Audeze comfort.  Hey, I like Audeze, I'm a fanboy, remember?  :bigsmile_face:

post #3371 of 4119
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Originally Posted by SP Wild View Post
 

 

You know me MH, I never had an issue with weight or comfort with my LCD2s.  I was thinking more about the OPPO, and I never heard a single ended planar so can't really comment either, but it is true that quite a few have issues with Audeze comfort.  Hey, I like Audeze, I'm a fanboy, remember?  :bigsmile_face:

With single ended orthos...you're looking at higher distortion typically with only half the control. :smile:

post #3372 of 4119
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post
 

With single ended orthos...you're looking at higher distortion typically with only half the control. :smile:

 

Thanks for jogging my memories, I remember seeing some measurements on innerfidelity for some single ended orthos and remembered that they are not as low as the LCD2, let alone the 3 or X and XC.

post #3373 of 4119
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post
 

So you'd prefer single sided drivers (with less control over the drivers) and a cheap looking veneer finish instead to make them lighter? Sorry, not me.

 

I think more research should be done into either creating lighter double sided drivers, or in ways to mitigate or remove issues with single sided drivers. The only single sided planar magnetic that I've heard so far was the Abyss, which I *really* didn't like. However, double sided drivers have 300Hz square wave issues (which translate to soundstage/imaging issues, which have been reduced by Fazor). However, I do still believe sound quality trumps all, which Audeze believes as well, which I absolutely respect. Their move from wood rings to solid aluminum rings was moving in the wrong direction IMO, there wasn't really a sonic reason for this (some suspected Fazor needed it, but these were introduced in the wooden Audeze headphones as well). Despite this, I don't think their weight is their main issue, the biggest issue with Audeze headphones is the fact that they are a combination of heavy headphones and a minimally padded headband. The Audeze leather headband isn't far off from a Grado leather headband, and considering the extra weight, those headbands cause significant issues for many people (including me). Discomfort is the reason why my D7000's get overwhelmingly more use than my LCD-2's.

Reducing weight is awesome as long as it doesn't impact sound quality, but if it does, the next best option is to increase comfort which is something Audeze has done with their earpads, but has not in any way done with their headbands (the original foam headbands were a fair bit more comfortable than the current ones). If Audeze integrated a suspension headband much like the STAX SR-009 (which are as heavy as the Audeze headphones, but significantly more comfortable), they would significantly mitigate any issues people would have with the weight of the headphones.

 

Do they need to get lighter? Yes, but only as long as they don't impact sound quality. Do they need to get more ergonomic? Absolutely yes, there's no reason not to, they would save their fans a lot of pain and headaches (literally).

 

EDIT: Excuse the rantiness of my post.


Edited by Taowolf51 - 6/28/14 at 9:11pm
post #3374 of 4119
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Originally Posted by Taowolf51 View Post

I think more research should be done into either creating lighter double sided drivers, or in ways to mitigate or remove issues with single sided drivers. The only single sided planar magnetic that I've heard so far was the Abyss, which I *really* didn't like. However, double sided drivers have 300Hz square wave issues (which translate to soundstage/imaging issues, which have been reduced by Fazor). However, I do still believe sound quality trumps all, which Audeze believes as well, which I absolutely respect. Their move from wood rings to solid aluminum rings was moving in the wrong direction IMO, there wasn't really a sonic reason for this (some suspected Fazor needed it, but these were introduced in the wooden Audeze headphones as well). Despite this, I don't think their weight is their main issue, the biggest issue with Audeze headphones is the fact that they are a combination of heavy headphones and a minimally padded headband. The Audeze leather headband isn't far off from a Grado leather headband, and considering the extra weight, those headbands cause significant issues for many people (including me). Discomfort is the reason why my D7000's get overwhelmingly more use than my LCD-2's.
Reducing weight is awesome as long as it doesn't impact sound quality, but if it does, the next best option is to increase comfort which is something Audeze has done with their earpads, but has not in any way done with their headbands (the original foam headbands were a fair bit more comfortable than the current ones). If Audeze integrated a suspension headband much like the STAX SR-009 (which are as heavy as the Audeze headphones, but significantly more comfortable), they would significantly mitigate any issues people would have with the weight of the headphones.

Do they need to get lighter? Yes, but only as long as they don't impact sound quality. Do they need to get more ergonomic? Absolutely yes, there's no reason not to, they would save their fans a lot of pain and headaches (literally).

Actually, the materials can definitely affect resonances in the headphones and thus the sound. The LCD-X are meant for studio monitoring as well as audiophile listening, so something more durable than wood was needed. But with regards to the drivers, you're going to need strong magnets and they're not light...darn physics. I'd also welcome lighter/more comfortable orthos, but not at the expense of the sound.
Edited by MacedonianHero - 6/28/14 at 9:15pm
post #3375 of 4119

I agree Taowolf, improvements in ergonomics must not compromise outright sound quality in anyway whatsoever.  Otherwise, I'll take my brick anyday.

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