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post #3301 of 3794
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

at 70db my ears start to hurt, at 75 I've got about 10mins before I'm finished and 80+ db's is a little too much for me honestly. And any headphone that needs to be driven that loudly to achieve it's maximum output isn't something I'm going to be to thrilled to own. Thus far for my, for my listening levels, the LCD 2 Faz is a nice side grade from the HE 4, I've not listened to music that loud in a long time, becuase it hurts my ears 

 

and to my ears, they don't "ruin" all vocals, some how ever don't sound entirely correct still these are my intial impressions I've got these till next monday so I'm gong to listen to them for well the next week the do a write up on how they compare 

It might be worth getting your ears checked (I mean that in a friendly, not sarcastic way). It is absolutely fine to prefer lower listening levels, but if 70db actually HURTS your ears, then that would suggest there may be some problem (especially with a headphone like the LCD-2, which can go loudly in a graceful and refined manner).  70db is not a level one would normally associate with physical pain in a healthy ear.

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Originally Posted by NinjaHamster View Post
 

It might be worth getting your ears checked (I mean that in a friendly, not sarcastic way). It is absolutely fine to prefer lower listening levels, but if 70db actually HURTS your ears, then that would suggest there may be some problem (especially with a headphone like the LCD-2, which can go loudly in a graceful and refined manner).  70db is not a level one would normally associate with physical pain in a healthy ear.

well I have a lot of sinus issues so yea there is most likely something off 

post #3303 of 3794
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

well I have a lot of sinus issues so yea there is most likely something off 

 

Damn sinuses! Yes ear, nose, throat are all connected. We should all get ear check-ups regularly anyway. If there is a problem which is easily fixed, it may increase your listening satisfaction even at relatively low levels. Unfortunately with the LCD2's they sound "pleasant" at lower levels, but a little undynamic and compressed - even boring - compared to the increase in quality and openness at higher levels. I hope you find you have an easily correctable problem, and that ALL music starts sounding better to you soon ... :beerchug:

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For reference: http://www.sengpielaudio.com/TableOfSoundPressureLevels.htm

 

Go stick your head next to a vacuum cleaner and tell us if that hurts your ears. Then measure it. I'd wager your SPL meter isn't calibrated correctly, or you don't have it in A-weighted mode or something. What model is it and how are you measuring them?

 

If you don't like the LCD2 that's perfectly understandable. It's by no means a perfect headphone. But if it sounds terribly colored to you or it's impossible to listen to it at 70dB, something is up.

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well the irony here is distance, I went to a live show yesterday at a bar, music was upwards of around 85 90 dbs. from speakers about 6 feet from me, didn't hurt my ears, sounded horrible but not painful, 

post #3306 of 3794
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Originally Posted by SP Wild View Post


It's pefectly valid if you are not wanting to listen at a higher spl.  It's much better that you were able to source one for at home audition than purchasing blind.  So the LCD2 is not for you, that is OK, its not for a lot of people.  Last thing you want to do is hurt your ears, which is a bit odd as these are cans well known to not hurt your ears.

Its a bummer that the newer Audeze models are rolling off the sub bass a little, but many people seem to be preferring it like that.  The original R1s that I have went flat to 5hz, but the uppermidrange is a little more recessed than the newer models.

I personally have only realised lately, when comparing to how I listen to speakers with practicality in mind, that in general, I tend to listen at a much higher volume with headphones than with speakers, mainly because I can, and also because that is the only way for me to grasp an idea of how the original performance might sound live.

But these days, I feel it unnecessary to hold a live performance as the benchmark for referencing, this is not even relevant with most contemporary music to start with. 

We have to ask, what can hi fi do that live music cannot?

That answer is easy...hi fi can present the vision of the artistic intent of the artist at the time the artist created the piece.  All artists perfect their art in the studio, a live performance is a facsimile of the original piece, sometimes it may be worse sometimes the artist are better live with the extra energy coming from the audience feeding the performers passion.  Neverthless it is a modification of the original studio piece.

An excellent studio recording is always better than a live recording, because perfection of the instrumentation is achieved with perfect samples and imperfection is discarded.

In today's day and age, with the understanding of the issues with hearing damage and the increase usage of headphones, it is outright irresponsible to hold a live performance as a benchmark.

This actually a negative for my own LCD2s, neverthless the irresponsible side of me won't go away, and I love turning it up in the short time frame I dedicate to headphone listening, and for me, it is the best thing about headphones, not disturbing anyone no matter how irresponsible I feel.

The whole idea that hi-fi can present the artists intent is so strange to me. For one thing there is no way for us to know how the album was recorded. What if during the recording, mixing and/or mastering processes they used some very un-hi-fi gear? It's not like all studio equipment has 0 coloration. As an example if the album was mixed on monitors or headphones that have a a ton of bass then us listening to the album with a pair of HD800s will not be hearing the music the way the artist intended. While a pair of M50s (not really a "reference" can) on the other hand could. The M50s are some of the most popular headphones in the studio world. Chances are we all own a few albums that were created using them. No pair of $1000+ headphones is going to let you hear it how the artist intended when the artist themselves aren't using the same gear as you.
Edited by bassboysam - 6/15/14 at 4:57am
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back to my volume issue, I helped a buddy move today. Speaker blastin at 87dbs measured, sounded fine didn't hurt at all, headphones at the same level are rather painful 

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Something's not adding up. That's way bizzare.

post #3309 of 3794
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Originally Posted by jodgey4 View Post
 

Something's not adding up. That's way bizzare.

 

+1

 

@Mshenay can you describe your method for measuring the SPL from your headphones?

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Originally Posted by Loquah View Post
 

 

+1

 

@Mshenay can you describe your method for measuring the SPL from your headphones?

MY ANDROID PHONE, I position it till I get the highest stable reading 

post #3311 of 3794
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

MY ANDROID PHONE, I position it till I get the highest stable reading 

 

That might be the problem as your ears are feeling the pressure from a more sealed environment where the sound is altered (and possibly amplified) in the space between the driver, the headphone pads, and your ears.

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Originally Posted by bassboysam View Post


The whole idea that hi-fi can present the artists intent is so strange to me. For one thing there is no way for us to know how the album was recorded. What if during the recording, mixing and/or mastering processes they used some very un-hi-fi gear? It's not like all studio equipment has 0 coloration. As an example if the album was mixed on monitors or headphones that have a a ton of bass then us listening to the album with a pair of HD800s will not be hearing the music the way the artist intended. While a pair of M50s (not really a "reference" can) on the other hand could. The M50s are some of the most popular headphones in the studio world. Chances are we all own a few albums that were created using them. No pair of $1000+ headphones is going to let you hear it how the artist intended when the artist themselves aren't using the same gear as you.

 

It would'nt be easy without research and experience...even then the variables are almost infinite!!!

 

But I think Mshenay is identifying certain variables, when he notices how some tracks work for him in his fixed variable when using the LCD2 and other tracks work better with the HE4s.  Regardless of tonal characteristics...anyone who has played an instrument will be able to tell you all the subtle imperfectly played parts in that instrument that live music often presents...a monumental pat in the back to everyone in the band when they play a piece well, band members congratulate each other and saviour the sensation of coming close to creating perfection, they are their own harshest critic...thats what all that practice was for.  There are no f ups in good studio recordings.

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I don't doubt that one headphone may work "better" on some tracks than others, however I see the claim of "it is how the aritst wanted you to hear it" thrown around on these boards a lot. I'm just saying that there is no way for us to ever know what or how the artist(s) wanted us to hear in a piece of recorded music. We just recorded our 3rd album and I can guarantee that it will sound very different to you that it did to me when we were going through the recording, mixing and mastering processes.
post #3314 of 3794
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Originally Posted by bassboysam View Post

I don't doubt that one headphone may work "better" on some tracks than others, however I see the claim of "it is how the aritst wanted you to hear it" thrown around on these boards a lot. I'm just saying that there is no way for us to ever know what or how the artist(s) wanted us to hear in a piece of recorded music. We just recorded our 3rd album and I can guarantee that it will sound very different to you that it did to me when we were going through the recording, mixing and mastering processes.

No offense but... **** the artist xD, no just kidding. I'd still love to hear the LCD X, from my time with the LCD 2 it's clear it's quicker than my HE 4 and has a nicer sense of tactility, but there's still not enough upper mids, I love jazz music and I've been to a lot of live shows, even some private ones. Brass instruments have a nice body to them, but they still have a [pleasent to my ears] an upper mid edge, it's metal. For me the LCD 2 doesn't have that upper mid edge and puts to much focus on the lower mids, it gives low instruments like the Saxaphone a little to much body for my taste, but on the other end for female voices it does a nice job with many of them, male vocals as well. 

 

Still though non of us have any idea how the artist wants us to hear his music, and I'm not suggesting we just ignore their wants but... well if your really into that train of thought, then your going to want something with as linear a Freq as possible, but regardless of your headphone some music has it's own obvious "flavor" I'm a HUGE Nujabes fan [RIP man] and ALL of his music always has a warmth to it, it's always very warm very sooothing music, and I've heard his music through cheap $20 and now a $1000 headphone, and regardless of the coloration it's always his sound

 

If we compare music to food, our music would be the food, the steak and onions, and bell peppers or even the Cheese Cake of our "musical" palate. Our amps and dacs are the cooking process [trust me a crappy electric Stove makes a gross steak, compare to using a nice Gas Stove] and our headphones are the seasonings and sauces

 

A cheap headphone is like dumping 8oz of A1 onto a 10oz steak, yea it still tastes like steak but... you know

 

something like the HE 400 might be akin to making a nice Buere Blanc sauce for a piece of seafood, its a very RICH buttery creamy sauce, with a hint of citrus, but your Fish [a good piece at that, maybe like a nice big Seared Scallop] still tastes like a scallop

 

and then your LCD 2 is like having a nice 3oz Red Wine Au Poivre onto your  12 oz steak, the sauce has a very rich powerful flavor but there's not enough of it nor is it so unbalanced that it over takes your sauce, a good Au Poivre has a distinct flavor, but has enugh subtly not to mask the food your eating [unless u put to much sauce on there]

 

where as the HE 4 might be akin to throwing a Chili Lime Sauce onto that same piece of steak, totally different flavor profile there, the sauce is a little more aggressive with more citrusy and acidic notes, but like the Au Poivre, in the correct amount and done right it compliments the steak

 

regardless of the sauce [generalizing here] a good headphone will compliment and preserve the original flavor of the sauce, and speaking of steak and sauce, I think the best steak sauce I ever had was a Raspberry Espagnole sauce, it had those rich meaty notes and the bright acidic notes from the berry, we paired it with a Dry Aged Prime Steak, it was most epic

 

So back to headphones, I'd love to try the HE 6 or LCD X :/, but regardless of what Hifi Headphone you have, I think your going to hear the artists "style" regardless of the sound, it just depends on your personal tastes 

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