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post #2746 of 9911
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Originally Posted by joebobbilly View Post
 


Well, the fact they're doing revisions means they care bout feedback from their customers and they wanna improve it. Isn't that good as a whole? :D

 

Remember they're a small startup that just showed up a few years ago with the LCD2 as their first real step into headphones (Note that the LCD3 does not seem to suffer the same revision problems). Not really fair if we have the same expectations for consistency and R&D on their products like the bigger companies such as Sennheiser, AKG, etc.

 

I for one, am glad they did revise it :o. Based on the frequency curve on my pair and what I'm hearing... I might have one of the newer "rev. 3" models. They definitely don't sound as dark as I would have thought. In fact, much more neutral than I expected based on many of the reviews out there. Will post a comparison with HD650 later in the HD650 Appreciation Thread.

 

Nope but there are problems in the past with "veiled" and "non veiled pairs".

post #2747 of 9911

It's been said before to avoid any confusion for newcomers, there is NO rev.3. Rev.2.2 or 2.5 whichever suits you is the latest iteration.

post #2748 of 9911
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Originally Posted by SomeGuyDude View Post
 

Well... not exactly. It's a problem because it makes you wonder why they just keep making revisions every few months instead of waiting for a while and releasing a big new model. This isn't software, people who buy Rev 1 can't upgrade to Rev 2 and Rev 3 as they come out. It kinda hurts confidence in the product to know that at any given time, if you buy a new one, it's going to be a version behind soon. It feels like they rush releases instead of holding back to make sure it's a "finished product". It leaves someone in the market for an LCD2 going "well I dunno if I wanna buy it right now, there might be a BETTER version coming soon..." It just doesn't inspire confidence in the brand.

 

Say what you will about companies like HiFiMan who miss deadlines, when that product lands you know it's THAT PRODUCT. You buy an HE-500 and it doesn't really matter when it was made. It's an HE-500.

 

It's just bad business is what I'm getting at. There shouldn't be a Rev 1/2/3/4. There shouldn't even be a Rev anything. When they come out every few months it almost feels like even when they RELEASE a version they're ALREADY saying "yeah it could have been better". Instead, they should have released the LCD2, spent all this time working their way up to what would now be Rev 4, and release THAT as a new product. 

 

I'm not quite sure where you get the "every few months" figure. The LCD-2's have been out for about 4 years and have had 2 revisions. Many other headphones go through revisions as well, but don't openly state it. Newer HD800's have been reported to not have the standard spike of older models, and Tyll found that Denon D5000/D7000's made in 2012 and later use some different parts and measure differently.

post #2749 of 9911
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Originally Posted by Taowolf51 View Post
 

 

I'm not quite sure where you get the "every few months" figure. The LCD-2's have been out for about 4 years and have had 2 revisions. Many other headphones go through revisions as well, but don't openly state it. Newer HD800's have been reported to not have the standard spike of older models, and Tyll found that Denon D5000/D7000's made in 2012 and later use some different parts and measure differently.

 

They've had three revisions and there's a fourth incoming. That's five versions in four years. More than one a year constitutes "every few months" in my mind. If I can't even be confident that my thousand dollar product will remain current for a full year I'm not gonna be in a mood to buy it. 

 

And keep in mind, I'm saying this as someone who's not only looking to pick up a pair of LCD2s, but probably gonna end up with the Rev 1 thanks to my listening habits. I'm just explaining why I dislike the Revision process that Audeze uses.

 

EDIT: Hell I can even play devil's advocate to myself and say that it's good in that they outright name each new Revision, giving customers on the secondary market the ability to know which version they might like best and so they can look for a Rev 1 or a Rev 3.  


Edited by SomeGuyDude - 3/25/14 at 7:31am
post #2750 of 9911
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Originally Posted by SomeGuyDude View Post
 

 

They've had three revisions and there's a fourth incoming. That's five versions in four years. More than one a year constitutes "every few months" in my mind. If I can't even be confident that my thousand dollar product will remain current for a full year I'm not gonna be in a mood to buy it. 

 

And keep in mind, I'm saying this as someone who's not only looking to pick up a pair of LCD2s, but probably gonna end up with the Rev 1 thanks to my listening habits. I'm just explaining why I dislike the Revision process that Audeze uses.

 

EDIT: Hell I can even play devil's advocate to myself and say that it's good in that they outright name each new Revision, giving customers on the secondary market the ability to know which version they might like best and so they can look for a Rev 1 or a Rev 3.  

There have been two. The Rev 1 and the Rev 2. All others were cosmetic (which happens on all headphones and does not affect sound quality), and there is no Rev 3 unless Audeze says so (they're the only ones who know if there was a driver upgrade). People have been claiming "Rev 3" for a long time, it hasn't happened.

 

The D7000 and HD800's are also both $1000+ headphones.

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So there is the original lcd-2, then rev1 and then the rev2 correct? 3 versions in total although I don't think many of the original were made.
post #2752 of 9911
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Originally Posted by SomeGuyDude View Post
 

 

They've had three revisions and there's a fourth incoming. That's five versions in four years. More than one a year constitutes "every few months" in my mind. If I can't even be confident that my thousand dollar product will remain current for a full year I'm not gonna be in a mood to buy it. 

 

And keep in mind, I'm saying this as someone who's not only looking to pick up a pair of LCD2s, but probably gonna end up with the Rev 1 thanks to my listening habits. I'm just explaining why I dislike the Revision process that Audeze uses.

 

EDIT: Hell I can even play devil's advocate to myself and say that it's good in that they outright name each new Revision, giving customers on the secondary market the ability to know which version they might like best and so they can look for a Rev 1 or a Rev 3.  

 

So... you don't buy laptops and computers? :p jk. You were saying before how it's not about getting the best top-tier gear for the status... If it's good, it's good :D right? Sound differences in the Rev. 1 & 2 are subtle to casual listening unless you're doing some direct comparisons. Yes, they had some true build quality issues before with wood cracking, but they were quick to revise it instead of blaming people for not being careful with their headphones... the newer ones have addressed that. I mean it's actually GOOD business they're doing, cause unlike another company (who's handset had a big signal issue and then simply told people to not hold their handsets a particular way) they responded to customer feedback to improve. As for revisions... officially it's still just 2. No official designation on current LCD2's being "Rev 3"... that makes 3 revisions in 4 years... acceptable overall IMO (remember... they're a young startup made in USA... can't be compared with HifiMan which has access to the machine of China's big manufacturing... not to mention the poor build qual on those cans in comparison to Audeze).


Edited by joebobbilly - 3/25/14 at 8:55am
post #2753 of 9911
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Originally Posted by bassboysam View Post

So there is the original lcd-2, then rev1 and then the rev2 correct? 3 versions in total although I don't think many of the original were made.

 

I was under the impression the original was rev 1. 

post #2754 of 9911
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Originally Posted by joebobbilly View Post
 

 

So... you don't buy laptops and computers? :p jk. You were saying before how it's not about getting the best top-tier gear for the status... If it's good, it's good :D right? Sound differences in the Rev. 1 & 2 are subtle to casual listening unless you're doing some direct comparisons. Yes, they had some true build quality issues before with wood cracking, but they were quick to revise it instead of blaming people for not being careful with their headphones... the newer ones have addressed that. I mean it's actually GOOD business they're doing, cause unlike another company (who's handset had a big signal issue and then simply told people to not hold their handsets a particular way) they responded to customer feedback to improve. As for revisions... officially it's still just 2. No official designation on current LCD2's being "Rev 3"... that makes 3 revisions in 4 years... acceptable overall IMO (remember... they're a young startup made in USA... can't be compared with HifiMan which has access to the machine of China's big manufacturing... not to mention the poor build qual on those cans in comparison to Audeze).

 

This is a great post, and thank you for the clarification. That does help a lot. 

 

The thing with computers and mobile devices, though, is that even if the hardware isn't current, the software updates. The old iPhones run iOS7.1, so you're not REALLY missing out on the newest features, the user experience is roughly the same. And the Apple swipe is kinda dumb because you're talking about four versions ago, and that signal problem HAS been addressed. :P

post #2755 of 9911

Haha, well I actually own an iPhone 4s... TBH I really do admire Apple for their strengths. They really did botch up how they handled and responded initially, and I was disappointed with their reaction cause I'd just expect better from a company like that. :o 

 

BTW... if you can get a good price for LCD2 (rev. 2 or whatever)... I'd do it man. Even if you're not that pleased... resell value here on Head-Fi is very solid for those cans. They sell FAST when priced reasonably.


Edited by joebobbilly - 3/25/14 at 9:03am
post #2756 of 9911
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Originally Posted by barid View Post
 

 

I was under the impression the original was rev 1. 


well if Rev 1 was the original, what is it a revision of?

post #2757 of 9911
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Originally Posted by bassboysam View Post
 


well if Rev 1 was the original, what is it a revision of?

 

 

http://wiki.faust3d.com/wiki/index.php?title=Audeze_LCD-2

post #2758 of 9911
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Originally Posted by bassboysam View Post
 


well if Rev 1 was the original, what is it a revision of?

 

The word "revision" kinda implies that it is a change from an original version, doesn't it? If it's the original, it's not a revision after all. :tongue:

post #2759 of 9911
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Originally Posted by fenderf4i View Post
 

 

 

http://wiki.faust3d.com/wiki/index.php?title=Audeze_LCD-2


so according to this, there are 4 versions and 3 revisions.

 

- Initial deisgn: had cable entry straight down, and a different grille than later versions.

- Classic version: change of cup cable entry, to angled entry, and change of grille design.

- REV 1: change of ear pads, new cable

- REV 2: change of drivers

post #2760 of 9911
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Originally Posted by bassboysam View Post
 


so according to this, there are 4 versions and 3 revisions.

 

- Initial deisgn: had cable entry straight down, and a different grille than later versions.

- Classic version: change of cup cable entry, to angled entry, and change of grille design.

- REV 1: change of ear pads, new cable

- REV 2: change of drivers

 

So 2 different drivers.  the original (rev1) and the rev2.  And apparently these new frequency response graphs that popped up in the last page or two indicate another change in the lower frequencies that has yet to be fleshed out.

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