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Dedicated Mains Spur - best of breed?

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In a few months I’ll be moving from a lovely, but impractical, stone cottage into a “normal” full sized house. Apart from gaining my own “music and study” room, I’m finally in a position to plan a dedicated main spurs for my hi-fi. So I’ll be able to compare the value of dedicated spur versus my power conditioner, and whether the power conditioner can further improve on the dedicated spur.

 

 But what is the best way of doing it? From my limited dabbling with cables, fuses and power conditioner, I’ve concluded that details are important, but I don’t want to spend loads on audiophile stuff if I can help it. From trawling the web, I’ve found primarily two sources of information: Russ Andrews, who advocates a ring being better than a spur, and Roy “RKR” from a Naim-based forum, who has spent years comparing different Consumer Units (CU, i.e. the main fuse box) and methods. He reckons spur is better than ring, and the fatter the wire the better, and best if every component has it’s own spur, which must be all be exactly equal length (!). Luckily, Roy recommends standard house wire. He reckons MCBs sound better than fuses, and RCDs are bad for SQ, but good for keeping you alive. And Both Russ and Roy recommend a separate earth rod stuck into the garden.

 

The TYPICAL starting point for a UK house is a PME supply into the house (earth and neutral common), and earth is split from neutral at the CU. From the CU, a number of 2.5mm wire rings, each protected by a 32A MCB, power most of the house, with a 6mm spur powering the cooker, and a 10mm spur powering a 10KW power shower.  For me, a 6mm twin+earth cable is pretty unwieldy and a 10mm is just horrible to work with, but the latter’s the one Roy reckons sounds the best.

 

So, my start point for a dedicated spur is a Memera CU (Never heard of it before, but Roy’s favourite and apparently the most robustly engineered - and a step above next best MK). From this I will have two 6mm spurs going to the hi-fi area. One for source and one for headphone amp. Each spur will be protected by an RCBO (combined RCD and MCB) at the CU. I haven’t gone into the safety regulations yet of exactly what is allowed, but if I do get a garden earth, it’s much more convenient if the earth is connected to the CU rather than the hi-fi end.

 

So, any opinions on improvements, or simplifications to that?

 

BTW, I’m just planning it – I will of course get a qualified electrician to actually install it. 

 

   

     


Edited by TheAttorney - 8/24/10 at 2:16am
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I can't comment on the various equipment and schemes, but think a dedicated circuit is important. When I get around to building a place in a few years, I'll have a dedicated circuit off the box for the audio equipment. It helps provide continuous power and can free you up from grounding issues on shared circuits.

Yes, an earth ground or grounding rod is very important. Many places connect ground to the plumbing and some older places don't have a proper ground at all. I picked this up from dabbling in amateur radio - most hams put a big stake into the earth to make sure the ground is excellent. No doubt it will help audio, as well.

Another piece of equipment I'll hardwire in is a big isolation transformer. Probably one of the 1.5kV or bigger ones. They're not inexpensive, but they do a wonderful job of cleaning up any problems. I might look into a commercial grade RFI/EMI filter, as well.
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Thanks Uncle Erik. The two areas I have particular reservations about are earth grounding rod and isolation transformers.

 

Earth grounding rod simply because it appears to be a bit of a fuss to install. Depending on ground moisture characteristics, I've read you may need to install more than one rod in star formation and may even need to water the patch in dry conditions - all in order the get a consistently low impedance connection. And then there's a few feet of possibly hard rock to break through. I'll see what the electrician says.

 

I've read that isolation transformers can have down sides to negate their obvious theoretical advantages. For  example, I just googled the term and came to this site http://www.whatsbestforum.com/showthread.php?458-Another-dedicated-line-question.

 

An excerpt from above:

"But the problem with isolation transformers is their inductance; they all affect the sound to some extent. One of the big problems with ITs is they squash dynamics, soundspace, and upper octave extension-esp. with large wattage amps. In yesteryear, the cure was worse than the disease as when I played with the Tice Power Block/Titan. Nowadays though, designers have changed their power supply design in an attempt to address the same issues--and the cure is now worse than the disease."

 

Actually that looks like a useful site in general (am I allowed to say that here?) and yes, they too have arguments about DBT and cables in the audio section

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There are those that maintain a ring main is not the best way to go.

Most ring mains were designed so that it was cheaper to install (smaller dia cables).

And I believe in many countries it is illegal not to have a ground rod,water pipes should never be used to earth power,never ever.


Edited by ford2 - 8/25/10 at 5:04pm
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I'm not certain how an isolation transformer can affect a system as long as it's large enough to handle the power demanded. I've used one for some time, and initially bought one so I wouldn't accidentally fry myself at the bench. Only later did I try it on some gear with toroids, since they're vulnerable to DC on the line. The isolation transformer does a good job of removing that, so I plan to get a big one when I set up a dedicated room.

I do think that grounding rods are worth the trouble, since I view them more as a safety device than something to improve sound. That was impressed on me by a favorite uncle who was a Bell Labs engineer and deeply into radio. He had a few horror stories about improper grounds, and I take that seriously. Breaking rock isn't that expensive, either. We rented a jackhammer a couple of weeks ago to remove some concrete and it was about $30 for the day. You could DIY the hole, plant the rod, and then let the electrician make the connection.

Ford2, you might be surprised at what was allowed under some US codes. The house we picked up a few months ago in Arizona (built in the Fifties) didn't have any proper grounding! Didn't have any insulation either, and this is in one of the hottest cities in the country. Which is a big reason why we tore it down to the studs inside. A grounding rod is going in, plenty of insulation and we're running Cat6 around, too.
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I should clarify that it is fine to use the water pipes as an earth (backup) as long as you have an Earth rod,I believe Aus. standard is 1.2 mt rod.

 

Uncle Eric,these rules have only been in effect since 1976,I have lost track of the old houses I have been in where you get a tingle when you touch a tap.

 

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