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Originally Posted by RUMAY408 View Post

Totally agree with the T1 Bellari combo statement.  They do not pair well at all.  The T1 however pairs well with my ALO MKll portable amp, but significantly better with the Meier Corda Classic.

 

Can't comment on Senns HD650 or HD800 but the T1 blows by my HD595 in sound quality and imaging.

 

Bellari + T1 combo is not wrong because they dont pair well, its because the Bellari tube amp is one of the worst sounding pieces of crap ever created in the history of the world. Thats the reason why they don't work together. :P I would consider myself robbed by paying 30 dollars for that amp, sadly I payed more...

post #5282 of 7276
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Originally Posted by brunk View Post

Actually they do have a night and day difference with amps. They sound like crap out of the Bellari, but amazing with the Mjolnir and higher quality OTL amps. You just haven't given them a chance yet.

 

 

I have the Bellari HA540, sounds like crap with every headphone I ever tried on it.  Out of a neutral amp and a good DAC T1's sould sound good. And they do sound good, but not 1400 dollars good.

post #5283 of 7276
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Originally Posted by derbigpr View Post

 

Bellari + T1 combo is not wrong because they dont pair well, its because the Bellari tube amp is one of the worst sounding pieces of crap ever created in the history of the world. Thats the reason why they don't work together. :P I would consider myself robbed by paying 30 dollars for that amp, sadly I payed more...

tell us what you really think.....

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Originally Posted by philo50 View Post

tell us what you really think.....

 

 

I'm being as honest and direct as possible. :P

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I'm using the DT990/600ohm set with the WA7 and it sounds delightful.  Planning to purchase the T1 based on the general consensus, though I hope they've added a dampener to tame the highs ever so slightly.

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Originally Posted by mediumraresteak View Post

I'm using the DT990/600ohm set with the WA7 and it sounds delightful.  Planning to purchase the T1 based on the general consensus, though I hope they've added a dampener to tame the highs ever so slightly.

 

i don't think so .

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Originally Posted by mediumraresteak View Post

I'm using the DT990/600ohm set with the WA7 and it sounds delightful.  Planning to purchase the T1 based on the general consensus, though I hope they've added a dampener to tame the highs ever so slightly.

The highs are just fine if you pair the T1 with the right dac and amp. I use the Yulong D18 and a WA-2 and there is no problem with the highs. If you use a bright dac or the wrong solid state amp you are in trouble.I also have a Matrix M Stage and it sound just fine with that so it's not as picky as some would have you think.

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Originally Posted by mediumraresteak View Post

I'm using the DT990/600ohm set with the WA7 and it sounds delightful.  Planning to purchase the T1 based on the general consensus, though I hope they've added a dampener to tame the highs ever so slightly.

Some advice from an owner of both the T1 and WA7:  Set the impedance switch to High for the T1. At first, I didn't really notice much of a difference (other than volume), so I left it on Low all the time.  But upon further review, the higher output impedance seems to smooth the treble in a very nice way (without noticeably obscuring details).

 

I couldn't stop listening to this combo last night.

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Originally Posted by derbigpr View Post

 

 

Nah it doesn't. Thats a total misconception, its a very easy headphone to power for todays amp in the 300-400 dollar price range, far easier than K701 for example. As long as your amp is not colored or technically weak (lots of distortion, noise, channel imbalance), and can output some 100 mW into 400-500 ohm, you're set. Maybe it needed a high end (price-wise) amp when it came out years ago, and most headphone amps out there were crap, but not today. They even sound very good out of a integrated speaker amp or a receiver, you don't even need a separate headphone amp due to the high impedance.  Tried out myself. Compared to MF M1HPA, any 300-400$ receiver or integrated amp will sound almost identical, and if you look at some amp/dac combos like Asus Essence One for example, HD650's sound even better out of most "real" gear. I'm not saying it wont sound better out of a really high end headphone amp that suits it perfectly in terms of sound signature, but I'm saying it never sounds bad. No matter what I plug it into, apart from being louder / quieter, it never ever sounds bad, or especially different. It has a character and it holds on to it. Gear can't change that much, and if it does, then the gear is highly colored.

 

 

The issue with HD650's is that you need to give them time to grow on you.  They have a very specific sound signature that might sound dark at first, but thats only because most headphones are overly bright. The so called "flat" headphones like most Beyers or AKG's, are simply too bright. Compared to a good neutral sounding speaker system, HD650 come much closer to that sound than T1's for example, which tend to sound weird sometimes, as if they're boomy, but not really full sounding. I guess thats the cup resonance a lot people complain about.  A lot of headphones simply artificially boost up a lot of frequency areas to make them seem more detailed, while in fact you dont hear anything extra on them, you just hear those details louder. HD650's don't do that, and that's why every A-B comparison between it and any other headphone, even the HD600, makes them lose and makes it seem like they sound worse.

 

I might just be a HD650 fanboy, but out of my entire headphone collection, they get the most head time for serious listening. Every other headphone, including the T1's, I could easily sell if someone offered a good price on them, but HD650, nah, I'd keep them.



I gave the HD650s 3 months to "grow on me".  They didn't.

Even a non-audio enthusiast friend of mine who dropped by my house and picked up the 650s had this to say: "Why do they sound muffled?"

650s have this veil and while it is true that they sound particularly smooth, I think Sennheiser tuned this at the expense of the trebles.  If the 650s were so great, I don't think the HD800s will be given a different tuning treatment.

Regarding the comparison with speakers, IMHO, the 650s do not in any way sound like them.  Besides, we use headphones to add that intimacy factor into our enjoyment of music.  Why would you want your headphones to mimic full-sized speakers?  If that was the objective, wouldn't you better off auditioning tracks using speakers?

(I meant no disrespect, ladies and gentlemen. Just voicing my opinion here.)  Cheers.  smily_headphones1.gif


Edited by sp3llv3xit - 8/29/13 at 9:48pm
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Originally Posted by derbigpr View Post

 

 

I have the Bellari HA540, sounds like crap with every headphone I ever tried on it.  Out of a neutral amp and a good DAC T1's sould sound good. And they do sound good, but not 1400 dollars good.

 

I think that could be a really mis-leading comment for prospective buyers. What gear did/do you use the T1s with?

 

I have a <$1000 signal chain (NFB-5.2 + Crack) and they sound better than anything else I've heard (including HD800s, TH900, HE-6). Not saying they're better than those other cans because it's all about synergy (as many people have said on here).

 

Put any high end cans with the wrong gear and they will disappoint every time and sound like a waste of money. Put them with the right gear and you'll be smiling constantly.

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Originally Posted by Chodi View Post

The highs are just fine if you pair the T1 with the right dac and amp. I use the Yulong D18 and a WA-2 and there is no problem with the highs. If you use a bright dac or the wrong solid state amp you are in trouble.I also have a Matrix M Stage and it sound just fine with that so it's not as picky as some would have you think.

 

Agree. I tried the T1s with the M-Stage the other day and was really impressed. Of course the source is still important as the M-Stage won't fix a crappy input.

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Originally Posted by Loquah View Post

 

Agree. I tried the T1s with the M-Stage the other day and was really impressed. Of course the source is still important as the M-Stage won't fix a crappy input.

Upgrade the M Stage with this and you won't believe how it sounds with the T1:

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LME49710HA-X2-Adaptor-/180872434827?

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Originally Posted by sp3llv3xit View Post



I gave the HD650s 3 months to "grow on me".  They didn't.

Even a non-audio enthusiast friend of mine who dropped by my house and picked up the 650s had this to say: "Why do they sound muffled?"

650s have this veil and while it is true that they sound particularly smooth, I think Sennheiser tuned this at the expense of the trebles.  If the 650s were so great, I don't think the HD800s will be given a different tuning treatment.

Regarding the comparison with speakers, IMHO, the 650s do not in any way sound like them.  Besides, we use headphones to add that intimacy factor into our enjoyment of music.  Why would you want your headphones to mimic full-sized speakers?  If that was the objective, wouldn't you better off auditioning tracks using speakers?

(I meant no disrespect, ladies and gentlemen. Just voicing my opinion here.)  Cheers.  smily_headphones1.gif

 

 

Took a year for them to grow on me. :P  Until then I pretty much didn't particularly like them, but I used them because it was the best I had. It was also my first high end headphone. Then I got the Q701, K550, DT880, DT990pro, K701 and T1's in that order.  Each of them was impressive at first, but after some time I went back to HD650. I'm probably just used to them and thats why I like them the most.

 

By the way I dont think the reason Sennheiser is going for brighter sound is because they felt their old sound was bad.  They're simply following the trends, people seem to like bright, V shaped response headphones more these days, and they're sort of going for that, especially with the HD700.

 

As for a speaker comparison, to me they do sound like speakers. That said, my goal is not to have headphones sound like speakers, my goal is to have headphones that sound real and natural, and speakers do the "real and natural" much better than headphones.  My cheap hifi system that together with speakers, amp and cd player cost less than T1's alone beats the living crap out of any of my headphones in lets say vocal realism, or how good and real an instrument sounds, etc. There's just no comparison. Speakers make me believe someone is standing in front of me when I close my eyes, and they disappear, with eyes closed I can't point directly to where the speaker is, because its gone, there's just this scary real image in front of me. HD650's come closest to that out of all the headphones I currently own. Beyers are too thin and bright sounding, AKG's have a plasticky sound in comparison (K550 doesn't, but its bright and sharp).  My HD650s are definitely not dark or veiled, even if I take the T1's off and put the HD650's on immediately, they don't feel veiled, they don't lose clarity. Sure treble is less pronounced, but the clarity and definition is still there.


Edited by derbigpr - 8/30/13 at 5:45am
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Originally Posted by Loquah View Post

 

I think that could be a really mis-leading comment for prospective buyers. What gear did/do you use the T1s with?

 

I have a <$1000 signal chain (NFB-5.2 + Crack) and they sound better than anything else I've heard (including HD800s, TH900, HE-6). Not saying they're better than those other cans because it's all about synergy (as many people have said on here).

 

Put any high end cans with the wrong gear and they will disappoint every time and sound like a waste of money. Put them with the right gear and you'll be smiling constantly.

 

 

 

Amps I used it with are Little Dot Mk5,  Little dot Mk3,  Onkyo A5VL integrated amp and Nuforce HDP. (and HA540, which i don't use at all)

Dac's:   Asus ST,  Nuforce HDP and Musical Fidelity M1DAC. Also the A5VL amp has a DAC inside, so when I use that amp, its integrated DAC is being used. 

 

To me, if I were to rate how good they sound, I'd say the sound best out of a Mk3 + M1DAC combo,  followed by A5VL integrated amp, then Mk5 + any of the DAC's and at the end Asus ST alone and Nuforce HDP being the worst sounding with T1's. 

 

I know none of these are really high end sources or amps (M1DAC should be good enough).

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Originally Posted by derbigpr View Post

 

 

Took a year for them to grow on me. :P  Until then I pretty much didn't particularly like them, but I used them because it was the best I had. It was also my first high end headphone. Then I got the Q701, K550, DT880, DT990pro, K701 and T1's in that order.  Each of them was impressive at first, but after some time I went back to HD650. I'm probably just used to them and thats why I like them the most.

 

By the way I dont think the reason Sennheiser is going for brighter sound is because they felt their old sound was bad.  They're simply following the trends, people seem to like bright, V shaped response headphones more these days, and they're sort of going for that, especially with the HD700.

 

As for a speaker comparison, to me they do sound like speakers. That said, my goal is not to have headphones sound like speakers, my goal is to have headphones that sound real and natural, and speakers do the "real and natural" much better than headphones.  My cheap hifi system that together with speakers, amp and cd player cost less than T1's alone beats the living crap out of any of my headphones in lets say vocal realism, or how good and real an instrument sounds, etc. There's just no comparison. Speakers make me believe someone is standing in front of me when I close my eyes, and they disappear, with eyes closed I can't point directly to where the speaker is, because its gone, there's just this scary real image in front of me. HD650's come closest to that out of all the headphones I currently own. Beyers are too thin and bright sounding, AKG's have a plasticky sound in comparison (K550 doesn't, but its bright and sharp).  My HD650s are definitely not dark or veiled, even if I take the T1's off and put the HD650's on immediately, they don't feel veiled, they don't lose clarity. Sure treble is less pronounced, but the clarity and definition is still there.



Is your 650 the much-ballyhooed white-screened 650?

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