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Originally Posted by Zombie_X View Post

Yo Gents,

 

What's new? I've been a bit dormant recently. Picked up a DT990 Pro and have sorely missed one since I sold my 600Ohm model two years back.

Seen the Beyer T51p yet? I'm currently waiting for my crack and speedball kit to arrive, i have all my film caps and such ready to go, can't wait!

post #5147 of 7274
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Originally Posted by elwappo99 View Post

 

The point is, don't blame the DAC if it isn't the actual cuplrit. 

 

 

I'm confused. We were talking about some Ultrasones being bright, but didn't mention the PROline 650 - no models were specified.

 

I think the point we're all trying to make is that the T1s aren't actually one of the brightest headphones out there and that they can sound very, very good or can show up shortcomings in a system.

 

I mentioned a possible cause of the problem based on things I'd heard (which may or may not be accurate) about the Cambridge DACs, but the key point a number of us have made is that the OP should go and test (not buy) other gear to see if the T1s are still not to their liking or to see if it reveals a shortcoming with their existing source chain.

 

There's no blame anywhere, just some discussion about some things to consider and test. If the OP has a chance to try the T1s with some other gear, they will quickly learn if the the issue is that the T1s don't match their tastes or if they actually can enjoy the T1s given different source components.

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Originally Posted by Loquah View Post

 

I'm confused. We were talking about some Ultrasones being bright, but didn't mention the PROline 650 - no models were specified.

 

I think the point we're all trying to make is that the T1s aren't actually one of the brightest headphones out there and that they can sound very, very good or can show up shortcomings in a system.

 

I mentioned a possible cause of the problem based on things I'd heard (which may or may not be accurate) about the Cambridge DACs, but the key point a number of us have made is that the OP should go and test (not buy) other gear to see if the T1s are still not to their liking or to see if it reveals a shortcoming with their existing source chain.

 

There's no blame anywhere, just some discussion about some things to consider and test. If the OP has a chance to try the T1s with some other gear, they will quickly learn if the the issue is that the T1s don't match their tastes or if they actually can enjoy the T1s given different source components.

 

I understand the position on the ultrasones. You could go through and make many graphs though, and find the same result. I'm just contesting that the T1s are not bright sounding wink.gif. I'd really like to include purrin's measurements, as it really does a better job of highlighting things. However, I guess that's not allowed on head-fi so.....

 

Certainly not trying to assign 'blame' to a person, just trying find the culprit in the bright sound. I'm surprised I got into such a debate on the T1s being bright. I thought it was common notion that this was the case. 

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Thread Starter 

Hi,

 

I have heard about their new headphones, and I have some samples on the way... hopefully. Peter said they were out of samples.

 

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Originally Posted by brunk View Post

Seen the Beyer T51p yet? I'm currently waiting for my crack and speedball kit to arrive, i have all my film caps and such ready to go, can't wait!

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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post

There have been reports of "bright" T1s out in the wild, so maybe you're both right? I would consider them not bright based on the pair that I owned.

+1 while they can be bright in certain tracks, I find this to be few and and far between. I would say a tad bright, but enjoyably so. Not uncomfortable and definitely not piercingly bright.
post #5151 of 7274

the lower beyers, ultrasones, and the chrome grados are far brighter than the T1.... im pretty sure there are less than perfect T1's out there though.


Edited by Dubstep Girl - 8/17/13 at 11:37pm
post #5152 of 7274
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Originally Posted by elwappo99 View Post

I'm surprised I got into such a debate on the T1s being bright. I thought it was common notion that this was the case. 

When I bought my T1s I auditioned them side by side with Sennheiser HD800s, using a Beyerdynamic A1 amp, and the T1 was clearly the brighter of the two. So I do think my pair is bright (and very airy and detailed) - but not as bright at AKG K701 - and not as tizzy in the treble as the otherwise warm and friendly Denon AH-D5000. 

 

Waiting for my Bottlehead Crack kit to arrive any day now - then everything about the T1s should be fine.. smile.gif

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i found the t1 to be very hard to optimally match within a setup,

 

give it a weak amp and the presentation is sterile, upper mids and treble centric, very narrow soundstage,

 

on a more powerful amp they can get easily quasi muddy lows, v shaped and harsh in the upper treble,

 

the optimal window is not really narrow but i feel the hd800 and lcd2r2 have a more consistent presentation within different setups,

 

but when you hit the spot with the t1 you'll hardly be able to take them off

 

 

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Originally Posted by Utopia View Post

Waiting for my Bottlehead Crack kit to arrive any day now - then everything about the T1s should be fine.. smile.gif

how does the low vs high gain setting compare on your Audio GD SA-31 driving the t1?

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Originally Posted by Utopia View Post

Waiting for my Bottlehead Crack kit to arrive any day now - then everything about the T1s should be fine.. smile.gif

 

Yes it should - it's a great combination!! Are you Speedballing it? I've ordered the Speedball kit to add to my 1 year old Crack - can't wait to hear the improvement.

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I always felt that the gain on the SA-31 was a little bit high, so I ordered a volume board with 10 dB lower gain, making it -10 dB/0 dB instead of 0 dB/10 dB on the two different gain settings. This was before Kingwa released the new SA-31SE, which has a different volume board. I think the new volume control is probably a very smart choice, since it offers more steps for lower levels, but still has a high gain for higher levels. I've never used the amp with something like the HE-6, so I haven't needed the highest gain settings at all. I like the SA-31 with the T1, especially on warm setting 2, but I believe an OTL amp might have a touch more magic (even if it won't be as versatile as the SE-31, which seems comfortable with everything).

 

I ordered the Bottlehead Crack during the latest sale, with the free Speedball kit, so I'm really looking forward to it. Concero -> Crack w Speedball -> T1 should be very nice smily_headphones1.gif

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Originally Posted by Utopia View Post
 I've never used the amp with something like the HE-6, so I haven't needed the highest gain settings at all. I like the SA-31 with the T1, especially on warm setting 2, but I believe an OTL amp might have a touch more magic (even if it won't be as versatile as the SE-31, which seems comfortable with everything).

 

I ordered the Bottlehead Crack during the latest sale, with the free Speedball kit, so I'm really looking forward to it. Concero -> Crack w Speedball -> T1 should be very nice smily_headphones1.gif

Same here! I also got film output coupling caps, film psu cap for last stage, silver signal wire, up-occ copper power wire, better resistors (for grins), all neutrik jacks, alps volume pot, and a JH13C driver tube and 12BH7 input tube. L3000.gif

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I wonder if I should give it another try.  Maybe my last pair were wired incorrectly?  I had them balanced.  I experienced a steely, grating sibilance that did not make me like that at all.

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Originally Posted by Uchiya View Post

I wonder if I should give it another try.  Maybe my last pair were wired incorrectly?  I had them balanced.  I experienced a steely, grating sibilance that did not make me like that at all.

Coming from HD650s it took me a day or so to adjust to the T1s sound and I can definitely understand people finding the treble harsh at times. In my short experience with them, a nice tube amp (e.g. BH Crack) or smooth SS amp and good DAC is key.

There is quite a difference for me between the HPO of the NFB-5.2 and amping via Crack (with NFB-5.2 as DAC only)
post #5159 of 7274

^same here.

 

I have the NFB 5.2 and also have Reference 5 > Soloist or WA7 set up. My preference is not to use the NFB 5.2, treble is kind of harsh. Only have it because I'll be setting it up in a office rig with the Mad Dog. WA7 smoothest of the 3 in the treble, roll off I guess.

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I tried to DIY an amp before. I built a balanced Ventus EZ instead of single ended. Hardest part, finding a case for it. Still haven't done so lol. I prefer making cables, even though I'm not too good sa that either
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