The Official Beyerdynamic T1 Owner's Club / Appreciation / Discussion Thread - Page 251

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Originally Posted by Golotripa 

Hmm.. I'm thinking if grabbing T1s with my La Figaro 339 tube amp.

 

My concern is I am into strong bass response with a good thump. Will T1s do the job in bass department? Should I expect more or less bass punch than my HD650s? Seems like T1 does everything else perfectly as I like it though :)

Maybe you should try the LCD-2.2 and the HE-400s as well.

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Originally Posted by preproman 

 

Maybe you should try the LCD-2.2 and the HE-400s as well.

Thanks, someone else also advised that to me as well today so I will definitely look into them .. It sounds the best option is to avoid the T1 as great as it is, perhaps its not for me :)

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Originally Posted by Golotripa 

Thanks, someone else also advised that to me as well today so I will definitely look into them .. It sounds the best option is to avoid the T1 as great as it is, perhaps its not for me :)

O wait.. hold up.  

I love my T1's now.  I don't require lots of bass.  I like my bass balanced across the spectrum.  The T1's are so good at detail retrieval.  IMO you lose a little of that here and there with the LCD-2.2s.  Just a little.  IMO..

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Originally Posted by Golotripa 

Oh right that is quite tempting.. Although as much as I love the sound of such a detailed headphone (who wouldn't), when I hear the terms "bright" and "perhaps lacking bass" I get scared and run away. I have a feeling I have to try the ortho path of hifiman etc. I'm too into my bottom half of the sound spectrum

While I love my T1, I would have to say the HE-500 is my favorite

I actually enjoy the bass on the T-1

I pretty much find them good in any genre and they don't lack that much bass to the honest.

Of course it's a matter of taste but personally I don't see them having any problem playing deep bassy music.

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Originally Posted by Golotripa 

Oh right that is quite tempting.. Although as much as I love the sound of such a detailed headphone (who wouldn't), when I hear the terms "bright" and "perhaps lacking bass" I get scared and run away. I have a feeling I have to try the ortho path of hifiman etc. I'm too into my bottom half of the sound spectrum

I have never felt that my T1s were lacking in the low end...in fact, even though I'm too lazy to dig it up, I remember posting how that was the first thing that really stood out to me when I first received them - the bass was fantastic. 

Haven't heard the hifiman phones yet, but at least according to headphone.com there isn't much to gain in terms of the low end over the T1s: 

O but there is.  This graph don't tell the hole story.  IMO..

A couple of months ago, I decided to take some SPL measurements with JL Audio's SPL Meter (an iPhone app) and a lapel mic, sandwiched between the ear pads of first the LCD-2 and then the T1, as I played various Bink Audio Test files between 20 Hz and 100 Hz.

Using Bink Audio Test Files (44/16 WAV) > Foobar with WASAPI > USB > CEntrance DACport LX > Burson Soloist > LCD-2 rev.1 and the T1

Here are the results:

Observation:  When the T1 and LCD-2 are matched to 85.7 dB playing white noise, T1 SPL is less than half that of the LCD-2 between 55 Hz and 85 Hz (a loss of more than 3 dB).  Bass energy is slightly greater than the LCD-2 rev.1, below 44 Hz, but as much as 4.6 dB less than the LCD-2 above 44 Hz.

Observation:  When the T1 and LCD-2 are matched to 91.7 dB playing white noise, T1 SPL is less than half that of the LCD-2 between 50 Hz and 90 Hz (a loss of more than 3 dB) across a greater range of frequencies than when volumes are matched to 85.7 dB.  Bass energy is slightly greater than the LCD-2 rev.1, below 42 Hz, but as much as 5.3 dB less than the LCD-2 above 42 Hz.

The LCD-2s will likely be an addition for me later this year...I'm really looking forward to hearing what the fuss is all about, especially since I'm such a fan of Magnepan speakers and planar magnetic technology. I've had a hard time getting excited about the hifiman offerings, but the Audez'e stuff has piqued my interest since I first heard about it. 

Much of the time I'm confused on what the point of these graphs is.  For most classical strings like Viktoria Mullova LCD2 is my go to can but majority of the time I only use t1.  I honestly don't think you should buy a lcd2.  Nothing wrong with trying them out for free though.

While playing video games on the lcd2s, like witcher 2, the bass and presentation sometimes really freaks me out.

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Originally Posted by flaming_june 

Much of the time I'm confused on what the point of these graphs is.  For most classical strings like Viktoria Mullova LCD2 is my go to can but majority of the time I only use t1.  I honestly don't think you should buy a lcd2.  Nothing wrong with trying them out for free though.

 

While playing video games on the lcd2s, like witcher 2, the bass and presentation sometimes really freaks me out.

I'm always interested in the vast range of opinions on the LCD-2...I think that's a big reason why I HAVEN'T bought a pair to this point. My T1s are an untouchable in my system, as are my higher end Grados. I'm really curious to audition a planar, though, but at this point it really wouldn't surprise me if I didn't care for it. Seems like it would be a nice complement to my other headphones since I tend to prefer a slightly brighter presentation, whereas the LCDs are different. It would never be in place of the T1s, though...I love my T1s. In fact, I'm currently in research mode for amps that will specifically benefit the T1s since I know they scale up. 

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Originally Posted by Focker 

 

I'm always interested in the vast range of opinions on the LCD-2...I think that's a big reason why I HAVEN'T bought a pair to this point. My T1s are an untouchable in my system, as are my higher end Grados. I'm really curious to audition a planar, though, but at this point it really wouldn't surprise me if I didn't care for it. Seems like it would be a nice complement to my other headphones since I tend to prefer a slightly brighter presentation, whereas the LCDs are different. It would never be in place of the T1s, though...I love my T1s. In fact, I'm currently in research mode for amps that will specifically benefit the T1s since I know they scale up. 

I too am intrigued by the LCD2 - like you Focker I wonder if they will be a nice complement to the T1 which I love but (whispers) do on occasion still find to be a little bright