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post #916 of 10477

A quick question for you guys.

 

If the choice was between:

 

DV3322

Concerto

WA3

Lyr

 

Which one would you choose?

 

Would DV337 be better than any of the above mentioned ones?

 

If looking at higher priced gear how would DV337SE compare to WA2?

post #917 of 10477
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post



That was a typo (HD650)....I meant to type HD595, .....see what happens as you approach your 40s?


That's a relief. I thought you had gone potty for a moment!!  wink_face.gif

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Originally Posted by Szadzik View Post

A quick question for you guys.

 

If the choice was between:

 

DV3322

Concerto

WA3

Lyr

 

Which one would you choose?

 

Would DV337 be better than any of the above mentioned ones?

 

If looking at higher priced gear how would DV337SE compare to WA2?


Out of those listen I would go with the WA3 as its an OTL and IMO the tube amps play better with the T1. The Concerto was ok as I owned it but my CSP-2 is best with my T1. The Lyr could possibly damage your T1 IMO because Beyer recommends 300Mw max input with the T1. The dark Voice amps the two partners split up and its a crap shoot IMO for service and longevity. The WA2 is better and CSP-2 also but more dough. If you can swing the extra money go for the better amp.

 

post #919 of 10477

Does anyone know when the new headband version came out? (from which serial number onward)

post #920 of 10477
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Originally Posted by Alghazanth View Post

 

Dark? If anything the T1 is bright

 

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Originally Posted by Alghazanth View Post

Indeed. I wouldn't be surprised if this so called "Defective" type of T1 does not exist, and it simply reacts very strongly to amp/dac.

 


 

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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post

Here are some headphones that are brighter: HD600, HD650, DT880/600, DT770/600, K70x, HD800, W5000....

So the T1s are not bright IMO...neutral then? Absolutely...with a tinge of warmth. smile.gif (Again, I have a very early release...the first one in Canada with S/N: 11XX). They are revealing of what you have upstream....feed them with a bright source/dac/amp...you'll hear what you gave them. 

 

Humm, 595s....  Yeah, yer gett'in old.....  wink_face.gif

 

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But yes I agree they must be extremely dependent on source.
 

 


Not necessarily true. 

 

I've used both my T-1s with a Woo3 tube amp, an M^3 opamp amp, and a GS-1 discrete amp, all with similar results.  I've also listened to it from my Hornet and my Portaphile V2 Maxxed.  There may be some synergies to be found, but in general the T-1 is not amp dependent.

 

I didn't find the T-1 Dac dependent either.  I've used it in combination with my Constantine +, Stello DA100 and portable Pico.  None of them changed the character of the T-1.

 

I don't know why, with so many guys posting about getting overly bright T-1s, that it is so hard to believe that some of them  came out that way.  

 

You don't have to take my word for it, read Asr's review, where he says that his T-1s sounded like 701s or Pataburd's threads about the overly bright T-1s he eventually dumped, and make up your own minds about the existence and prevalence of overly bright T-1s.

 

I had both versions and used them with the same amps.  The difference was immediately noticeable. The overly bright versions would have been sold off, if they hadn't failed.  That failure was the best thing that ever happened because the replacements were the good ones....   and the new headband makes wearing the T-1 for long periods of time easy.

 

 

post #921 of 10477
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Originally Posted by upstateguy View Post

I had both versions and used them with the same amps.  The difference was immediately noticeable. The overly bright versions would have been sold off, if they hadn't failed.  That failure was the best thing that ever happened because the replacements were the good ones....   and the new headband makes wearing the T-1 for long periods of time easy.

 

 


You may have answered this somewhere else in this thread... I apologize if so.

 

I'm curious why you seem to be adamant that there are two versions of the T1 out there -- one overly bright, and one not so -- instead of connecting the "overly bright" character of your first T1 to the bad driver that eventually resulted in your receiving a replacement. It's obvious that your first pair was defective -- is it conceivable that this defect resulted first in the overly bright characteristics you describe, and then eventually in total failure? The same problem instead of two different problems, if you will...
 

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I do remember one thing about my "Bright/bass light" T1 that was very weird. When I first connected it to my amp, there was a lot of popping and crackling for a good 10 minutes, and then it suddenly stopped. Hasn't ever happened again. This does reinforce the idea that there is perhaps a "Bad" driver floating around.


Edited by Alghazanth - 7/24/11 at 2:35pm
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Originally Posted by Olias of Sunhillow View Post

You may have answered this somewhere else in this thread... I apologize if so

 

I'm curious why you seem to be adamant that there are two versions of the T1 out there -- one overly bright, and one not so -- instead of connecting the "overly bright" character of your first T1 to the bad driver that eventually resulted in your receiving a replacement. It's obvious that your first pair was defective -- is it conceivable that this defect resulted first in the overly bright characteristics you describe, and then eventually in total failure? The same problem instead of two different problems, if you will...
 


From my post above:

 

"I don't know why, with so many guys posting about getting overly bright T-1s, that it is so hard to believe that some of them  came out that way.  

 

You don't have to take my word for it, read Asr's review, where he says that his T-1s sounded like 701s or Pataburd's threads about the overly bright T-1s he eventually dumped, and make up your own minds about the existence and prevalence of overly bright T-1s."

 

 

post #924 of 10477
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Originally Posted by upstateguy View Post




From my post above:

 

"I don't know why, with so many guys posting about getting overly bright T-1s, that it is so hard to believe that some of them  came out that way.  

 

You don't have to take my word for it, read Asr's review, where he says that his T-1s sounded like 701s or Pataburd's threads about the overly bright T-1s he eventually dumped, and make up your own minds about the existence and prevalence of overly bright T-1s."

 

 



how many people have posted about overly bright T1s? 

3 including you and the other two u named. if you had to guess how many more were there? im not exactly sure as i havent been through the whole thread. i just wanted to see how the numbers stacked up.  my brother in law had two different T1s 10xx and 13xx and i did not run into a overly bright one.

post #925 of 10477

To me, these seem like regular production variances. Every headphone has them, some more than others.

post #926 of 10477
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Originally Posted by Szadzik View Post

A quick question for you guys.

 

If the choice was between:

 

DV3322

Concerto

WA3

Lyr

 

Which one would you choose?

 

Would DV337 be better than any of the above mentioned ones?

 

If looking at higher priced gear how would DV337SE compare to WA2?



Agree with Frank about the OTL tube amps like the WA3 and WA2 -- for 600-ohm Beyerdynamic headphones like the T1, they really do seem to be the best way to go.  I was originally running my T1 off a Schiit Valhalla (another low-priced OTL tube amp), and it sounded great.  Now I've got my T1 running on a WA2, and it sounds even better.  Though I can't compare it with the DV337SE, the WA2 gets my highest recommendation with the T1.

post #927 of 10477
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Originally Posted by upstateguy View Post

From my post above:

 

"I don't know why, with so many guys posting about getting overly bright T-1s, that it is so hard to believe that some of them  came out that way.  

 

You don't have to take my word for it, read Asr's review, where he says that his T-1s sounded like 701s or Pataburd's threads about the overly bright T-1s he eventually dumped, and make up your own minds about the existence and prevalence of overly bright T-1s."


That didn't answer my question at all. I'm asking about your situation, not others' situations, and I'm not necessarily doubting anyone's claims.

 


Edited by Olias of Sunhillow - 7/24/11 at 4:33pm
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Originally Posted by Frank I View Post

Out of those listen I would go with the WA3 as its an OTL and IMO the tube amps play better with the T1. The Concerto was ok as I owned it but my CSP-2 is best with my T1. The Lyr could possibly damage your T1 IMO because Beyer recommends 300Mw max input with the T1. The dark Voice amps the two partners split up and its a crap shoot IMO for service and longevity. The WA2 is better and CSP-2 also but more dough. If you can swing the extra money go for the better amp.


 



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Originally Posted by Sophonax View Post

Agree with Frank about the OTL tube amps like the WA3 and WA2 -- for 600-ohm Beyerdynamic headphones like the T1, they really do seem to be the best way to go.  I was originally running my T1 off a Schiit Valhalla (another low-priced OTL tube amp), and it sounded great.  Now I've got my T1 running on a WA2, and it sounds even better.  Though I can't compare it with the DV337SE, the WA2 gets my highest recommendation with the T1.


Thanks to both of you guys. My T1s got home on Saturday and are waiting for my arrival. I am still trying to decide whether I should only use them with HA-160D that I have had for some time now or get another amp for them and use the Burson as a DAC only for now. I will get home on Thursday and will give the curent pairing a good listen. From what people have been saying T1s sound a bit dry on the Burson, and I like that kind of sound a bit, will see how it sounds in real life. 

 

If I do not like them, I will probably just go for WA2 and then decide whether to keep HA-160D or sell it and just get a good DAC. On the other hand, I will only lose money by selling the Burson and it may become more useful if I decide to buy more headphones (I know I will want to try other stuff, unless T1s just mesmerise me totally and I will be 'done').

 

Thanks again.

 

.... gone to count down the seconds left to ge home after 2 months away....

post #929 of 10477

I hope u satisfy with itwink_face.gif

 

enjoy!smily_headphones1.gif

 

Bear in mind. u gonna adjust ur hair if you got long hair. since that will touch the driver.

 

And those are pretty expensive stuff.^^ My T1 sounds pretty "dry" on my WA 6 SE. so I guess it might produce that dry sound u want on Burson.

 

I am going on holiday this Thursday.haha ...

 

P.S. "T1s just mesmerise me totally " dun think this can be true tongue.gif
 

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Thanks to both of you guys. My T1s got home on Saturday and are waiting for my arrival. I am still trying to decide whether I should only use them with HA-160D that I have had for some time now or get another amp for them and use the Burson as a DAC only for now. I will get home on Thursday and will give the curent pairing a good listen. From what people have been saying T1s sound a bit dry on the Burson, and I like that kind of sound a bit, will see how it sounds in real life. 

 

If I do not like them, I will probably just go for WA2 and then decide whether to keep HA-160D or sell it and just get a good DAC. On the other hand, I will only lose money by selling the Burson and it may become more useful if I decide to buy more headphones (I know I will want to try other stuff, unless T1s just mesmerise me totally and I will be 'done').

 

Thanks again.

 

.... gone to count down the seconds left to ge home after 2 months away....



 

post #930 of 10477
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Originally Posted by SP Wild View Post

Do I have a faulty pair of T1s?

 

I just plugged in my HD650s and find these two cans have about the same amount of bass and treble energy - the biggest difference being that  the T1 doesn't have the "warmth" or lower midrange presence of the HD650 - in terms of pure tonal balance.  Otherwise the T1 has a much tighter bass, midrange and treble therefore overall better clarity - but these two cans share a lot of similarities, particular in bass and treble presence, with a difference in midrange presentation (T1 more "neutral").  However I have never heard them being compared as sounding very similar in overall bass and treble level.

 

I always thought the LCD2 was an improved HD650 - no, the T1s sound closer to the HD650 than the LCD2s.  Am I going mad?

 

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I just dug up this graph,  I barely hear the 9khz peak that the T1 have over theHD650 (it is with when quickly swapping), but the slightly raised curve at the midrange will explain the different tonal balance in the midrange.  I was expecting a much more brighter can....going by some of the reviews going around.  The HD650 has a more extended treble in that it doesn't dip as severely as the T1 does after the T1s 9khz peak (less air in the treble) - my ears agree.


AHA!  So I wasn't going mad after all!  I think the overall tonality going by memory was that is was closest to the HD595s, but I hated the 595s, the 650s were much better, the grain and cup resonance on the 595s killed it for me.  But I thoroughly enjoyed my time with the T1s, and wished I spent more time on it, instead I chose to spend more time with the HD800s, which proved rather disappointing despite its initial promise.

 

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