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I find it to have sufficient treble but not enough to make it "bright" to me the K701, DT880 are bright. It's a treble oriented can for sure but not like the treble is in your face. To me the added bass, more midrange and smoother treble make it sound darker. Of all my headphones the T1 sounds very similar to my HD600 which is considered dark. The main difference is that the HD600 has a treble roll off. I would still call the T1 slightly darker sounding. At least it sounds much darker than my other headphones that excludes the HD600 though.

 

From memory the HD650 is a much darker headphone than the T1. The HD650 being brighter than the T1 is impossible. The HD650 sounds much like a older K240M IMO and as such has a very rolled and subdued treble. I sold the HD650 because I really disliked it's syrupy sound signature. It make everything sound blurry and slurred. I also was not a fan of the muddy bass.

 

One day though I may try the HD650 again. For right now though I don't think I will.
 

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Dark? If anything the T1 is bright.


Edited by Zombie_X - 7/23/11 at 1:54pm
post #902 of 10503
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I was under the impression that "brightness" refers to the section of frequency around 4-7 kHz where your hearing is most sensitive (see Fletcher/Munson Loudness Curve http://www.webervst.com/fm.htm )

 

By this definition, the HD 800s are brighter than the T1s (and they were when I A/B'd them) and the HD 650s are about the same.

 

If you compare the T1 and HD 650 frequency response graphs on headphone.com (not the end-all definition for how a headphone sounds - I realize this), it is remarkable how similar they are from 20 Hz - 7 kHz.

 

There is a spike around 8.5 kHz that is a characteristic of many Beyerdynamic headphones and because everyone's eardrums/ear canals are different, it could be too intense around this frequency for some people.

To me the HD800 and T1 are both on the bright side, the HD800 indeed more so.

 

But I assure you the HD650 is absolutely NOT brighter than the T1. I've never heard a darker headphone.

 

You are correct about the Beyer spike, I know several people who have problems with that. For me, the DT990 was insanely bright, the DT880 pretty bright, and the T1 only a little bright.

 


Edited by Alghazanth - 7/23/11 at 2:09pm
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I find it to have sufficient treble but not enough to make it "bright" to me the K701, DT880 are bright. It's a treble oriented can for sure but not like the treble is in your face. To me the added bass, more midrange and smoother treble make it sound darker. Of all my headphones the T1 sounds very similar to my HD600 which is considered dark. The main difference is that the HD600 has a treble roll off. I would still call the T1 slightly darker sounding. At least it sounds much darker than my other headphones that excludes the HD600 though.

 

From memory the HD650 is a much darker headphone than the T1. The HD650 being brighter than the T1 is impossible. The HD650 sounds much like a older K240M IMO and as such has a very rolled and subdued treble. I sold the HD650 because I really disliked it's syrupy sound signature. It make everything sound blurry and slurred. I also was not a fan of the muddy bass.

 

One day though I may try the HD650 again. For right now though I don't think I will.
 



Hmm, I didn't have them at home at the same time, but from memory, HD600 seemed darker to my ears then T1. Offcourse HD650 is darker then both, but I did prefer 650 over 600 at that time (tried HD600 3 times, but i just couldn't love their signature).

 

I also don't consider T1's to be explicitely bright, but indeed just a bit treble oriented. But not dark.

 

Again, it's all relative. If you're coming from LCD-2, T1's are a bit on the bright side, coming from SR325's, they're very smooth.

 

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But yes I agree they must be extremely dependent on source.
 

 


That was a typo (HD650)....I meant to type HD595, .....see what happens as you approach your 40s?
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Double post. Man I'm having a bad day....mad.gif
Edited by MacedonianHero - 7/23/11 at 4:31pm
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I suppose so then. It's probably my set-up that makes the T1 sound dark. I know my HD600 is bassier and darker than the T1 for sure.
 

Also I did not find my SR-325is's to be harsh at all. I always thought they had smooth treble. I did have one set that must have been defective because it was incredibly bright and harsh. Then I bought the SR-325is and they reminded me of tubed gear in their sound.

 

Too bad you didn't like the HD600's signature. I loved them over the HD650 (which you know I really hate). I just find the HD600 to be more detailed and resolving.

 

And the LCD-2 doesn't sound all that dull to me. They have nice treble, certainly about the same as the HD600. At least that's how they sounded on my set-up.

 

 

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Hmm, I didn't have them at home at the same time, but from memory, HD600 seemed darker to my ears then T1. Offcourse HD650 is darker then both, but I did prefer 650 over 600 at that time (tried HD600 3 times, but i just couldn't love their signature).

 

I also don't consider T1's to be explicitely bright, but indeed just a bit treble oriented. But not dark.

 

Again, it's all relative. If you're coming from LCD-2, T1's are a bit on the bright side, coming from SR325's, they're very smooth.


Edited by Zombie_X - 7/23/11 at 4:32pm
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I suppose so then. It's probably me set-up that makes the T1 sound dark. I know my HD600 is bassier and darker than the T1 for sure.
 

Also I did not find my SR-325is's to be harsh at all. I always thought they had smooth treble. I did have one set that must have been defective because it was incredibly bright and harsh. Then I bought the SR-325is and they reminded me of tubed gear in their sound.

 

Too bad you didn't like the HD600's signature. I loved them over the HD650 (which you know I really hate). I just find the HD600 to be more detailed and resolving.

 

And the LCD-2 doesn't sound all that dull to me. They have nice treble, certainly about the same as the HD600. At least that's how they sounded on my set-up.

 

 


I agree with you completely (except for the SR325 comment...the worst Grado ever IMO...tied with the GS1000 in that regard). We've both owned and lived with the T1s for a while and it's hard to comprehend how some can say they are "treble oriented or brighter than the HD600s". I've heard 3 pairs of T1s through 6 or 7 different rigs (amp/dac) and came to the same conclusion every time.
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I agree with you completely (except for the SR325 comment...the worst Grado ever IMO...tied with the GS1000 in that regard). We've both owned and lived with the T1s for a while and it's hard to comprehend how some can say they are "treble oriented or brighter than the HD600s". I've heard 3 pairs of T1s through 6 or 7 different rigs (amp/dac) and came to the same conclusion every time.



Some is here...maybe this some isn't right as he didn't directly compare.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Zombie_X View Post

I find it to have sufficient treble but not enough to make it "bright" to me the K701, DT880 are bright. It's a treble oriented can for sure but not like the treble is in your face.....


 

Some is here too^
 

Zombie, I do like the LCD-2's also, don't sound dull indeed (in fact my favorite can). HD600's did sound dull to me though.

 

 


Edited by Proglover - 7/23/11 at 4:53pm
post #909 of 10503
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Yeah, and I do like the GS1000 a lot, but can not afford one. I have way too many phones already.

 

Also about the HD600/T1 brightness. On some recordings the T1 can sound very bright and strident (mostly modern produced crap like metal) but on quality stuff (Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab) they are incredibly smooth and articulate. The difference I found in treble is amping, source, and music. If you feed them quality music you will get rewarded with spectacular precision, extension, and so forth.

 

For me the T1 are very gear dependent. I arranged my gear to have a more neutral sound. The WA3+ is there to power my DT880 and DT990 since my ROC does a not-so-good job at it. Not bad amping but not what I would desire. With my ROC and DAC25.2 the T1 does sound very articulate and can reproduce stuff with incredible accuracy.
 

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Originally Posted by Zombie_X View Post

I suppose so then. It's probably me set-up that makes the T1 sound dark. I know my HD600 is bassier and darker than the T1 for sure.
 

Also I did not find my SR-325is's to be harsh at all. I always thought they had smooth treble. I did have one set that must have been defective because it was incredibly bright and harsh. Then I bought the SR-325is and they reminded me of tubed gear in their sound.

 

Too bad you didn't like the HD600's signature. I loved them over the HD650 (which you know I really hate). I just find the HD600 to be more detailed and resolving.

 

And the LCD-2 doesn't sound all that dull to me. They have nice treble, certainly about the same as the HD600. At least that's how they sounded on my set-up.

 

 


I agree with you completely (except for the SR325 comment...the worst Grado ever IMO...tied with the GS1000 in that regard). We've both owned and lived with the T1s for a while and it's hard to comprehend how some can say they are "treble oriented or brighter than the HD600s". I've heard 3 pairs of T1s through 6 or 7 different rigs (amp/dac) and came to the same conclusion every time.
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I agree with you completely (except for the SR325 comment...the worst Grado ever IMO...tied with the GS1000 in that regard). We've both owned and lived with the T1s for a while and it's hard to comprehend how some can say they are "treble oriented or brighter than the HD600s". I've heard 3 pairs of T1s through 6 or 7 different rigs (amp/dac) and came to the same conclusion every time.


The SR325s are pretty good with the Senn HD 414 pads - almost unlistenable with anything else though.

post #911 of 10503
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I would agree ;) Those pads really do tame it's treble. I use the standard comfies on my SR-80i since I like the sonic signature with those pads over the bowls.
 

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The SR325s are pretty good with the Senn HD 414 pads - almost unlistenable with anything else though.

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Also can someone test out the T1 with some bass heavy/electronic material and report if it does it well or not? best test I'd say would be to give the Tron Legacy Soundtrack (god I love that soundtrack) a listen and let me know if the bass & overall tonality satisfies


I mostly listen to my techno/breaks/ambient collection on vinyl with my T1 and it is absolutely fantastic with this kind of music. They do not have DT770 headshaking bass but rather neutral/studio monitor type bass that is extremely snappy. They manage to sound ruthlessly detailed/accurate without being harsh.

 

With the risk of sounding like a slobbering fanboy, the T1/tesla driver has been a revelation in the decade I have been in this hobby. I have seen a few posts mentioning that the tesla drivers are just marketing hype - they aren't. It's the headphone equivalent of doubling the torque in a car engine.

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Yes, it was the DXC Store. I tried the T1 and LCD-2 side by side for around 30 minutes. Quick impressions, but came away very impressed with the T1. Not sure why the LCD-2 sounded so flat to my ears. I mean it was really lifeless and bland, it' very possible the setup had a lot to do with this. Having said that, the DT880 and HD600 sounded pretty much the way I've always recognized those 2 headphones sounding over the years I've owned and heard them.
 

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Was it the DXC Store? I went to that very place and auditioned the T1 as well, and came out with the same reaction. I wasn't impressed by the LCD-2 (nor the ED8), but loved the T1. Was it due to the setup they had?

 

Also can someone test out the T1 with some bass heavy/electronic material and report if it does it well or not? best test I'd say would be to give the Tron Legacy Soundtrack (god I love that soundtrack) a listen and let me know if the bass & overall tonality satisfies



 

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The SR325s are pretty good with the Senn HD 414 pads - almost unlistenable with anything else though.


Hmm...I never did try that. I sold them off within a month for the RS-1s instead.
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Originally Posted by third_eye View Post

Yes, it was the DXC Store. I tried the T1 and LCD-2 side by side for around 30 minutes. Quick impressions, but came away very impressed with the T1. Not sure why the LCD-2 sounded so flat to my ears. I mean it was really lifeless and bland, it' very possible the setup had a lot to do with this.

 

In my listening at home, I've discovered that the LCD-2 do not lend themselves to side-by-side A/B testing. The presentation of the treble (detailed, but without the emphasis or "sizzle" of most of my other cans) make the LCD-2 seem a little bland when I put them on immediately after listening to, say, my T1s. When I just spend the night listening to the LCD-2, however, I have no such complaints and thoroughly enjoy them.

 

That said, it easily could have been the setup as you mention.

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