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post #8866 of 10479
It is funny how the T1 and HD800 polarise opinions though. I auditioned the HD800 before ever hearing a T1 and I just didn't get it. This is a flagship headphone? You have to be kidding. I have auditioned the HD800 a few times since getting the T1, mostly at the insistence of friends who think the HD800 is, like, the best headphone ever and I still don't get it. I wouldn't want them if they were free!

For others the reverse is true. They hate the T1 on first listen and go on to fall in love with the HD800.

We should just accept that we all hear differently and we are all looking for different things in our music and it's great that we have such a diversity of headphones to choose from to find just what we are looking for.

I've had my T1's for over 3 years now. I have recently heard the HD800, EL-8, LCD-2, LCD-X, HE-6 and none of them have me thinking about retiring my T1's.

Edit: you can add MDR-Z7, TH-600 and Nighthawk to that list - all too bass heavy for my tastes.
Edited by technobear - 4/13/15 at 1:50pm
post #8867 of 10479
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Originally Posted by technobear View Post

It is funny how the T1 and HD800 polarise opinions though. I auditioned the HD800 before ever hearing a T1 and I just didn't get it. This is a flagship headphone? You have to be kidding. I have auditioned the HD800 a few times since getting the T1, mostly at the insistence of friends who think the HD800 is, like, the best headphone ever and I still don't get it. I wouldn't want them if they were free!

For others the reverse is true. They hate the T1 on first listen and go on to fall in love with the HD800.

We should just accept that we all hear differently and we are all looking for different things in our music and it's great that we have such a diversity of headphones to choose from to find just what we are looking for.

I've had my T1's for over 3 years now. I have recently heard the HD800, EL-8, LCD-2, LCD-X, HE-6 and none of them have me thinking about retiring my T1's.

Edit: you can add MDR-Z7, TH-600 and Nighthawk to that list - all too bass heavy for my tastes.

What's your thoughts on he-6? What didn't you like about hd800 or you do like :bigsmile_face: about T1?​

post #8868 of 10479
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And there you have exactly why I said "dare I say" I make a comment about my own personal preference to the bass on my T1 to the hd800 and suddenly its "sniffy and completely unwarranted"  and am from comparing one aspect of the T1 and HD800 in favour of the T1 I have some how managed to convey that the HD800 is vastly superior?

 

What is completely unwarranted is making inflammatory comments and derogatory personal attacks.

 

I happen to think the T1's are awesome phones that offer superb performance. 

You guys have read way to much into a simple post it was definitely not intended to be interpreted in the manner it was .

 

Rant over.

 

If you read my post more carefully you would note I started with "I didn't read that comment in that way", meaning your comment - i.e. I never thought you were alleging that the HD800 was superior to the T1. My comment wasn't directed to you at all, it was a general observation that occurred to me after reading Fungus's comment. What I actually had in mind was another thread on Head-Fi called "The state of the flagships" or something similar, where the T1 doesn't even warrant a mention until someone says something along the lines of "hey, why didn't you include the T1 in this discussion... LOL just joking".

post #8869 of 10479
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If you read my post more carefully you would note I started with "I didn't read that comment in that way", meaning your comment - i.e. I never thought you were alleging that the HD800 was superior to the T1. My comment wasn't directed to you at all, it was a general observation that occurred to me after reading Fungus's comment. What I actually had in mind was another thread on Head-Fi called "The state of the flagships" or something similar, where the T1 doesn't even warrant a mention until someone says something along the lines of "hey, why didn't you include the T1 in this discussion... LOL just joking".


My apologies for jumping to the wrong conclusion.

post #8870 of 10479
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My apologies for jumping to the wrong conclusion.

 

No worries - it's easily done - perennial hazard of forum posts ;-)

post #8871 of 10479
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Originally Posted by heart banger-97 View Post
 

What's your thoughts on he-6? What didn't you like about hd800 or you do like :bigsmile_face: about T1?​

 

I'd be curious to know how the HE-6 sounds as well; it's one headphone I haven't had chance to try yet - hopefully will in future. Like @technobear I've demoed a few other flagships on numerous occasions and while they all have their strong points, I haven't yet found any one whose overall sound I like as much as the T1. I've owned them for a year or so now and it's always an absolute pleasure to put them on and experience the music.

post #8872 of 10479
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Originally Posted by WraithApe View Post
 

What I actually had in mind was another thread on Head-Fi called "The state of the flagships" or something similar, where the T1 doesn't even warrant a mention until someone says something along the lines of "hey, why didn't you include the T1 in this discussion... LOL just joking".

 

Not to derail the thread, but I think this collective aversion to the T1 was brought to life immediately after the insane price drops at genuine beyerdynamic dealers a couple of years ago.

 

Audiophiles want to believe that expensive = quality. Not that this was ever kept a secret, just saying. So when a flagship headphone is available to a wider range of people with a smaller budget, all of a sudden it sounds worse :D

 

I don't know (or care) about what person's review you were referring to in your earlier post.

 

It's still unclear to me why the T1 is the only "flagship" that was ever available at such insane discount prices, but I'm very glad for the people who had benefit from it :beyersmile:

post #8873 of 10479
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Not to derail the thread, but I think this collective aversion to the T1 was brought to life immediately after the insane price drops at genuine beyerdynamic dealers a couple of years ago.

Audiophiles want to believe that expensive = quality. Not that this was ever kept a secret, just saying. So when a flagship headphone is available to a wider range of people with a smaller budget, all of a sudden it sounds worse biggrin.gif

I don't know (or care) about what person's review you were referring to in your earlier post.

It's still unclear to me why the T1 is the only "flagship" that was ever available at such insane discount prices, but I'm very glad for the people who had benefit from it beyersmile.png
+1 you describe the phenomenon of why some look unkindly upon the T1, quite well.
post #8874 of 10479
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Originally Posted by RazorJack View Post
 

 

Not to derail the thread, but I think this collective aversion to the T1 was brought to life immediately after the insane price drops at genuine beyerdynamic dealers a couple of years ago.

 

Audiophiles want to believe that expensive = quality. Not that this was ever kept a secret, just saying. So when a flagship headphone is available to a wider range of people with a smaller budget, all of a sudden it sounds worse :D

 

I don't know (or care) about what person's review you were referring to in your earlier post.

 

It's still unclear to me why the T1 is the only "flagship" that was ever available at such insane discount prices, but I'm very glad for the people who had benefit from it :beyersmile:

Actually, T1's discount prices is one of the reasons I was able to even consider it (student)! Never looked back since I got them. 

post #8875 of 10479
I'm eagerly looking for one of those discounts. Show me before I start to build a setup around he-6 that makes my wallet tears.
Edited by heart banger-97 - 4/14/15 at 3:07am
post #8876 of 10479

RazorJack : "Audiophiles want to believe that expensive = quality. Not that this was ever kept a secret, just saying. So when a flagship headphone is available to a wider range of people with a smaller budget, all of a sudden it sounds worse" :D

 

+1 BIG TIME !!  It's the same w/some HP amps, i.e. The Auralic Taurus MK2.  Don't take my word for it : 

 

 
 
I realize this is the T1 thread but I'm just trying to make a point pertaining to what RazorJack wrote (& which I fully agree with - 100%), you can't always equate price & quality of sound in this hobby.  I own the T1 and to my ears it sounds better than some more expensive HPs out there.  
 
Last example, Innerfidelity Tyll Hertsens' listening experience/reaction trying out the Ultrasone Edition 10, regular retail price,  $3,399.99 US
 
post #8877 of 10479
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Originally Posted by Old Groucho View Post
 

RazorJack : "Audiophiles want to believe that expensive = quality. Not that this was ever kept a secret, just saying. So when a flagship headphone is available to a wider range of people with a smaller budget, all of a sudden it sounds worse" :D

 

+1 BIG TIME !!  It's the same w/some HP amps, i.e. The Auralic Taurus MK2.  Don't take my word for it : 

 

 
 
I realize this is the T1 thread but I'm just trying to make a point pertaining to what RazorJack wrote (& which I fully agree with - 100%), you can't always equate price & quality of sound in this hobby.  I own the T1 and to my ears it sounds better than some more expensive HPs out there.  
 
Last example, Innerfidelity Tyll Hertsens' listening experience/reaction trying out the Ultrasone Edition 10, regular retail price,  $3,399.99 US
 

 

I think it's not necessarily audiophiles that are prone to this. It transcends many other material goods that people look into. 

 

With that said, there has been plenty of criticisms of the T1 since day 1. If you enjoy them, great! Read no further. But many people in subjective listening found plenty of problems. I had 2 pairs and certainly wasn't super happy with them. They were okay, but for the MSRP, or even street price? Meeehhh. Objectively, the T1 measures very poorly and has a lot of problems. I would personally take every high end headphone (he6, he500, lcd2, hd800, hd700, etc) over the T1, and for most listening I'd probably pick the likes of the K712 and HD650 over it. 

 

To be fair, beyerdynamic wasn't as ruthless in their pricing control like sennheiser has been, and I also think the HD800 at $1.5k is definitely overpriced. 

post #8878 of 10479
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Originally Posted by Old Groucho View Post
 

RazorJack : "Audiophiles want to believe that expensive = quality. Not that this was ever kept a secret, just saying. So when a flagship headphone is available to a wider range of people with a smaller budget, all of a sudden it sounds worse" :D

 

+1 BIG TIME !!  It's the same w/some HP amps, i.e. The Auralic Taurus MK2.  Don't take my word for it : 

 

 
 
I realize this is the T1 thread but I'm just trying to make a point pertaining to what RazorJack wrote (& which I fully agree with - 100%), you can't always equate price & quality of sound in this hobby.  I own the T1 and to my ears it sounds better than some more expensive HPs out there.  
 
Last example, Innerfidelity Tyll Hertsens' listening experience/reaction trying out the Ultrasone Edition 10, regular retail price,  $3,399.99 US
 

 

I think it's not necessarily audiophiles that are prone to this. It transcends many other material goods that people look into. 

 

With that said, there has been plenty of criticisms of the T1 since day 1. If you enjoy them, great! Read no further. But many people in subjective listening found plenty of problems. I had 2 pairs and certainly wasn't super happy with them. They were okay, but for the MSRP, or even street price? Meeehhh. Objectively, the T1 measures very poorly and has a lot of problems. I would personally take every high end headphone (he6, he500, lcd2, hd800, hd700, etc) over the T1, and for most listening I'd probably pick the likes of the K712 and HD650 over it. 

 

To be fair, beyerdynamic wasn't as ruthless in their pricing control like sennheiser has been, and I also think the HD800 at $1.5k is definitely overpriced. 


I agree with the first part of your post.  As far as the "plenty of criticisms of the T1" there has also been plenty of criticism about other "high end headphones".  For example the LCD2 and HD700 which you choose over the T1 did not impress me at all.  I still don't get all the hype pertinent to the LCD2 and as for the HD700 I found it to be one of the worst HPs when it comes to balance.  So you see, it's all about personal taste.  One more thing, I totally disagree with your opinion that the T1 measures very poorly and has a lot of problems.  With my sources the T1 sounds quite balanced, detailed with texture and accuracy.  I personally find the LCD2 for example quite dull.  Just my opinion. :wink:

post #8879 of 10479
+1 Well said sir .
post #8880 of 10479
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Originally Posted by Old Groucho View Post

 


I agree with the first part of your post.  As far as the "plenty of criticisms of the T1" there has also been plenty of criticism about other "high end headphones".  For example the LCD2 and HD700 which you choose over the T1 did not impress me at all.  I still don't get all the hype pertinent to the LCD2 and as for the HD700 I found it to be one of the worst HPs when it comes to balance.  So you see, it's all about personal taste.  One more thing, I totally disagree with your opinion that the T1 measures very poorly and has a lot of problems.  With my sources the T1 sounds quite balanced, detailed with texture and accuracy.  I personally find the LCD2 for example quite dull.  Just my opinion. :wink:

 

 

It's surprising that you don't like the HD700 that much. I found the HD700 to sound very similar to the T1, but with a small treble peak, and far less treble ringing (since the HD700 is more open, and the T1 is almost closed). 

 

It always comes down to personal taste, but it's also easy to see why people didn't like the T1. 

 

Ultimately, it measures very poorly. Many people in their listenings complained about a few issues, and measurements are pretty much in line with the problems people heard. They are also pretty far from balanced. I would easily go as far as to say my Denon D7000 are more balanced than the T1. 

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