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post #886 of 10477
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Originally Posted by Zombie_X View Post

The T1 is a warm and slightly dark headphone. It has all the detail of the HD800 but the way it's presented is not as in your face as how the HD800 does it. The detail on the T1 sounds more subdued due to the darker signature. IMO it's analytical but not in a K701 way. The whole sound signature to me is very pleasing.
 



Dark? If anything the T1 is bright.

post #887 of 10477

and here we go!

 

lets not talk in absolutes.  if youre coming from headphone A, its bright; if youre coming fromj headphone B, its dark.  

 

to me, from memory... .its slightly brighter than neutral. but not as a matter of fact bright.

post #888 of 10477
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Originally Posted by caracara08 View Post

and here we go!

 

lets not talk in absolutes.  if youre coming from headphone A, its bright; if youre coming fromj headphone B, its dark.  

 

to me, from memory... .its slightly brighter than neutral. but not as a matter of fact bright.



It's not bright, I said "if anything" it's bright. It's definitely brighter than it is dark.

post #889 of 10477

So I've just upgraded my spdif / usb interface.  Went from a relatively cheap one to Hiface evo. (Still need to play with power supply upgrade on it)

 

At any rate, first off, it improved the heck out of anything I was listening to / with on the computer, however, what shocked me was how much the T1 responded to it.  I have a stable of about 6 different sets of cans, and the T1s had by far the largest response.   Basically, imaging, darkness, and a bunch of other qualities improved much more dramatically than the change in any of my other ones (including some highly revealing phones like my UM Miracles, and the Etys)

 

This leads me to believe that the T1s are much more sensitive to what you feed into them than most other headphones, which could explain some of the other peoples differences on how they describe the qualities. Obviously the people that have done a/b comparisons of a dark vs a light are in a different situation, but I'm wondering if the differences in equipment driving them may be more of an explanation for a majority of people.  I was shocked at how much more of a difference it made in the t1s.  (Again, I only changed the transport.  DAC, amp source all remained the same)


Edited by ronrad - 7/22/11 at 10:29pm
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Originally Posted by ronrad View Post

So I've just upgraded my spdif / usb interface.  Went from a relatively cheap one to Hiface evo. (Still need to play with power supply upgrade on it)

 

At any rate, first off, it improved the heck out of anything I was listening to / with on the computer, however, what shocked me was how much the T1 responded to it.  I have a stable or about 6 different sets of cans, and the T1s had by far the largest response.   Basically, imaging, darkness, and a bunch of other qualities improved much more dramatically than the change in any of my other ones (including some highly revealing phones like my UM Miracles, and the Etys)

 

This leads me to believe that the T1s are much more sensitive to what you feed into them than most other headphones, which could explain some of the other peoples differences on how they describe the qualities. Obviously the people that have done a/b comparisons of a dark vs a light are in a different situation, but I'm wondering if the differences in equipment driving them may be more of an explanation for a majority of people.  I was shocked at how much more of a difference it made in the t1s.  (Again, I only changed the transport, DAC, amp source all remained the same)


Indeed. I wouldn't be surprised if this so called "Defective" type of T1 does not exist, and it simply reacts very strongly to amp/dac.

 

post #891 of 10477
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Indeed. I wouldn't be surprised if this so called "Defective" type of T1 does not exist, and it simply reacts very strongly to amp/dac.

 



amen.  and i didnt mean by my post that you were saying it was overly bright. i was just going by memory.  i dont like using absolute-ish terms because everyone is different, everyone has different systems, etc.

my apologies if you took it that way.  

post #892 of 10477
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Originally Posted by Alghazanth View Post





It's not bright, I said "if anything" it's bright. It's definitely brighter than it is dark.


Here are some headphones that are brighter: HD600, HD650, DT880/600, DT770/600, K70x, HD800, W5000....

So the T1s are not bright IMO...neutral then? Absolutely...with a tinge of warmth. smile.gif (Again, I have a very early release...the first one in Canada with S/N: 11XX). They are revealing of what you have upstream....feed them with a bright source/dac/amp...you'll hear what you gave them. wink.gif
Edited by MacedonianHero - 7/23/11 at 11:15am
post #893 of 10477

I had the chance to audition the T1 and LCD-2 for the first time at a store in Culver City, CA and was really surprised at how much clearer and coherent the T1 sounded vs the LCD-2. The components used were a Music Hall CD player and headphone amp, so not the greatest gear but not exactly an Ipod either. I know I prefer the "hotter" type headphones (D7000, DT880, SA5000, K701), but this wasn't even close. The T1 sounded really, really nice. The LCD-2 sounded really bland to me.

post #894 of 10477

This debate has been going on for over a year. I prefer the T1 to all others I have owned with my Decware setup and Marantz SA8004. They are neither bright nor bass light. They have IMO perfect balance and the most  musical headphone I have owned so much so I am done with my auditions and prefer the two i own.  This debate continues but from my perspective their is only one version and if people think there are two versions they are being misinformed. beyer has confirmed they only manufacture one version of their flagship but some people like to think there are two then so be it but the T1 is everything I am looking for and your opinions and musical taste may vary from mine so your YOMV

post #895 of 10477
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post



Here are some headphones that are brighter: HD600, HD650, DT880/600, DT770/600, K70x, HD800, W5000....

So the T1s are not bright IMO...neutral then? Absolutely...with a tinge of warmth. smile.gif (Again, I have a very early release...the first one in Canada with S/N: 11XX). They are revealing of what you have upstream....feed them with a bright source/dac/amp...you'll hear what you gave them. wink.gif

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But yes I agree they must be extremely dependent on source.
 

 

post #896 of 10477
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Originally Posted by third_eye View Post

I had the chance to audition the T1 and LCD-2 for the first time at a store in Culver City, CA and was really surprised at how much clearer and coherent the T1 sounded vs the LCD-2. The components used were a Music Hall CD player and headphone amp, so not the greatest gear but not exactly an Ipod either. I know I prefer the "hotter" type headphones (D7000, DT880, SA5000, K701), but this wasn't even close. The T1 sounded really, really nice. The LCD-2 sounded really bland to me.



Was it the DXC Store? I went to that very place and auditioned the T1 as well, and came out with the same reaction. I wasn't impressed by the LCD-2 (nor the ED8), but loved the T1. Was it due to the setup they had?

 

Also can someone test out the T1 with some bass heavy/electronic material and report if it does it well or not? best test I'd say would be to give the Tron Legacy Soundtrack (god I love that soundtrack) a listen and let me know if the bass & overall tonality satisfies

post #897 of 10477

HD650's brighter than T1's? 

 

Sorry just had to laugh at that one.

post #898 of 10477

I thought HD 650 sounds really dark?
 

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Originally Posted by nigeljames View Post

HD650's brighter than T1's? 

 

Sorry just had to laugh at that one.



 

post #899 of 10477
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Originally Posted by tupac0306 View Post

I thought HD 650 sounds really dark?
 



 


It does. I have no idea why he included that.

 

post #900 of 10477

I was under the impression that "brightness" refers to the section of frequency around 4-7 kHz where your hearing is most sensitive (see Fletcher/Munson Loudness Curve http://www.webervst.com/fm.htm )

 

By this definition, the HD 800s are brighter than the T1s (and they were when I A/B'd them) and the HD 650s are about the same.

 

If you compare the T1 and HD 650 frequency response graphs on headphone.com (not the end-all definition for how a headphone sounds - I realize this), it is remarkable how similar they are from 20 Hz - 7 kHz.

 

There is a spike around 8.5 kHz that is a characteristic of many Beyerdynamic headphones and because everyone's eardrums/ear canals are different, it could be too intense around this frequency for some people.


Edited by nierika - 7/23/11 at 1:55pm
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