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post #826 of 10478

I guess as you can tell, LCD2s are not my favorites (but I gave them a real try, even getting XLO cables which helped a lot for me over the stock cable; I even find them comfortable in their own way).

It's a different kind of brightness, but there is some unevenness in the upper mids that causes an upper-midrange note like a female vocal to stand out and bloom and be forward, siren like

that annoys me. A sustained higher-pitched vocal seems to linger longer than normal, with a hint of shrieking, as opposed to the T1s, where it comes out of the surrounding blackness and is gone, which

is more realistic and more appealing and not painful at all.

 

Yes, the Zeus-Hex22-T1 is also very fine and even more liquid on the RSA B52 (using upgraded tubes from Telefunken & Bendix).

EQ has not worked for me. It does address the sibilance, but resolution suffers, especially in the bass.

 

Try listening to as Hi-Rez recordings as you can get, either SACD or computer-based. Hi-rez seems to have much less digital glare than than regular formats (it sounds more analog).

Of course you could always get a turntable :)

 

 

post #827 of 10478

Have you tried Phoenix?  It is known for very smooth treble.

 

I have never found my T1 too bright, even comparing with sr-407 and HE-6.  I think cable, source, and amp all play some part of it.  My T1 was recabled with BlackDragon with balanced connection.  Ref-7 + Phoenix has always been smooth and yet high resolution in details.  I have had CSP2+ for a long time.  At the end, I still prefer the bass quality out of Phoenix.  And the treble from Phoenix was actually less sharp than CSP2+.  wink.gif

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Originally Posted by agoston.berko View Post
I also very sensitive for sibilance.

and is will use is with HDP, so I have to do something. but HDP has not XLR on it, so what to do ?

 

i can EQ,

i can try ADE mod,

i can try

 

anything else ? (no amp/dac change, no cable change)

 


Trying out different supporting gears make a lot much more sensing (to me) than blindly trying out different T1.  This is T1 appreciation thread.  I certainly would like read more posts here about people's impression of T1 with different gears instead of comparing what "version" of T1 it might be.  For those who are interested in that, please start an independent thread.  Thanks!!  beerchug.gif
 

 

post #828 of 10478

so i emailed Mr. Donald North about the Sonett and T1 pairing and he said it sound be powerful enough to power them well. he tried the dt880/600 with it and they sounded great.  thats encouraging.  i cant wait!  i hope eventually, i can stop selling gear to try new gera as id love to keep this beauty in my collection.  after that, i hope to either go with a Zana or a WA22.  single ended or balanced....choices choices.   cant wait for my T1 to get here in a week or so.

post #829 of 10478

It interesting how dukja also noted an improvement from balancing/recabling the T1s. Black Dragon is also a nice cable and worked well on 702s and 650s I used in the past.

I would try recabling first, maybe balancing too.

There are other threads confirming the benefits of recabling T1s, so it think the stock T1 cable may be a weak link.

(I sure know that 650s sounded a lot better from recabling, just do a search.)

If you end up with a non-balanced amp, matching XLR-to-SE adapters from the same cable-maker work well, I have noticed,

and then give you total flexibility for amp choices in the future.

And if you get a new amp, I would go balanced. Even with an SE source, balancing my phones has always been a plus.

 

And just to go a little hyperbolic here, in my not-so-humble-opinion,

the T1s are ***expletive deleted***  NICE phones!!!

They just respond amazingly well to care & feeding and have the potential to soar with liquid controlled natural sound and compete on an equal footing with anything out there (that I've heard,

and I heard the Orpheus once for about 20 minutes).

And I say this as a longtime R10 owner (and former long-term Stax Omega 2 / 007t owner).

 


Edited by rgs9200m - 7/16/11 at 9:46am
post #830 of 10478

It's such a reassuring feeling that owner of some ultimate HP's like R10, Omega2, 007 votes the T1 in the same league.                                                                       darthsmile.gif

post #831 of 10478

 

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Originally Posted by agoston.berko View Post

It's such a reassuring feeling that owner of some ultimate HP's like R10, Omega2, 007 votes the T1 in the same league.                                                                       darthsmile.gif


I love my T1 as well, and I definitely think they're one of the best headphones on the market right now -- but IMO they aren't in the same league as the R10.  The R10's clarity, detail, resolution, and imaging are really a cut above.

post #832 of 10478
Thread Starter 

I absolutely love my T1's and I think they still best my dads Wharfedale OPUS 2-1 speakers by quite a bit.

post #833 of 10478

I have went through all of the flagships and while I enjoyed them all the T1 for me with my system is the best. The HE6 if your a solid state fan is outstanding but for classical music and everything else the t1 because of beyer build quality and how well they do everything makes the T1 the most special IMO. I have heard the R10 and theHE90 and the Stax O2 and I prefer the T1 inmy system. Maybe its the synergy with the CSP-2 and Marantz SA8004 but it back after a six month absence and all the other headphones I owned I prefer the T1 most.


Edited by Frank I - 7/17/11 at 4:58pm
post #834 of 10478

Just to be clear, it is the bass-light R10s that I am comparing to my T1s ( I never heard the heavy ones), so that might make a difference here.

HE6s are just too tipped up for me with many CDs and I just can't relax.

LCD2s are not defined enough, with a faint slurryness compared to T1s.

post #835 of 10478

As the owner of a relatively new pair of T-1 headphones that sounded darker than 650s out of the box,  I am very sorry to report that unfortunately, they have continued to brightened up and as of yesterday have reached the sound signature of my '03 880s.

 

They are not the overly bright versions I had the first time around, but at the same time they are not 650 like any more.

 

USG

post #836 of 10478
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Originally Posted by rgs9200m View Post

Just to be clear, it is the bass-light R10s that I am comparing to my T1s ( I never heard the heavy ones), so that might make a difference here.

HE6s are just too tipped up for me with many CDs and I just can't relax.

LCD2s are not defined enough, with a faint slurryness compared to T1s.



I'm actually not surprised you prefer them to the bass-lite R10. The "Bass heavy" R10 my friend has is anything but, and I can't imagine having even less bass.

 

Agreed about the LCD-2 not being defined, but they have a sound I absolutely adore regardless (other than the treble, but thats what the others are for).

post #837 of 10478

Looks like the third version of T1 arrived above from dark like a 650 to bright like the 03 880 we can call this one the bright light version. Curious how the T1 goes from being dark one day and two days later get bright. Maybe it the different internet radio station.


Edited by Frank I - 7/17/11 at 6:05pm
post #838 of 10478

Alright this is getting ridiculous. May as well have a T1, T2, T3 now.

post #839 of 10478
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Originally Posted by Alghazanth View Post

Alright this is getting ridiculous. May as well have a T1, T2, T3 now.



I agree. LOL There is only one either you like them or you do not. As you well know not every headphone is for everybody. But the two I have owned sound the same and I do like the comfort of the new headband better.

post #840 of 10478

I've had three different pairs -- two sounded about the same, one did not.  The one that did not was excessively bright and fairly bass-light.  However, never did any of these T1s change their sound signature over time -- to use the terminology that's being tossed around here, the "normal" ones continued to sound "normal", and the "defective" one continued to sound "defective".  And never once did any of them sound as dark as or darker than an HD650.

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