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IS THIS NEW OR OLD ?

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it's just even Kimber has it's own USB cable ...  what the heck ?

...so you say no difference. 

 

http://www.computeraudiophile.com/content/Kimber-Kable-Kimber-USB-Review

 

 

my mainboard (asus m4a88t-i deluxe mitx) has SPDIF out on the back. is that toslink ? possible to attach to HDP ?

or USB better ?

 

i think digital cables are all about shielding. and shilding technology which is possible in regard of USB or SPDIF.

so which has a lesser buzz ?

 

from my own experience i know that in my car i use KIMBER toslink between headunit and sound processor and i also have between them rca cable. that way i could easy decide which is a cleaner solution.  RCA <<< TOSLINK

but that's analog vs digital

 

but digital is not always better (my opinion):

CD <<< LP

 

but of course right now we are talking about PC, so digital, so USB or TOSLINK. i think I would be better suited with TOSLINK.

 

 


Edited by agoston.berko - 7/14/11 at 2:44am
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That's the old headband.

The only difference in expensive "audiophile" digital cables is build quality, which means nothing when they cost hundreds and cheap ones that last ages anyway are a few dollars. No, there is no sound difference between any digital cables, be it HDMI, USB, or Optical. But if you don't believe me or the countless sources that have proved that feel free to give it a shot.

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and you say even that there is no difference between a cheap and a expensive HDMI cable between (for example) a PS3 and a Plasma TV ?

because HDMI is digital so 1 and 0 but I can see difference in picture. How could that be ? If video signal is depending on cable quality, why would be a sound data-stream (also 1 és 0) not be affected ?

 

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are the old headbands changed for free by beyerdynamic ?

i just have to send them in ?

 

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Me was told (Jan Meier) that if my sound card reaches 24-bit input and output with SPDIF and also up to 192kHz sample rate  th  thatttt

than I should prefer SPDIF over USB. So that's it.

I will buy HDP and use SPDIF right from my motherboard layout. So no additional soundcard required.

Oh my God, HDP is soo intelligent and cute. For T1 ? Of course the silver one.

 

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can anybody recommend me an SPDIF cable between PC motherboard and HDP ?


Edited by agoston.berko - 7/14/11 at 10:13am
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Originally Posted by agoston.berko View Post

 

are the rumors true about the T1 that is has two synergy-versions ? 880ish and 650ish.

depending on serial # ?!

 

it's kind a strange that a grand costing HP has altering sound-finishes.

 

 


According to reviewer Asr, the T-1 he had sounded like a 701 rather than an 880.

 

I had both versions and because of a failed driver, Beyer replaced the entire headphone with a new one, under the 2 year warranty.

 

My first T-1 was overly bright and bass light.  I posted that they sounded like souped up 880s but I could also live with Asr's 701 description because they were annoyingly bright. 

 

My second T-1, out of the box, was darker than my 650s.  It brightened up considerably within a few days, but it kept the 650ish bass quality, (though slightly less pronounced.)

 

Serial #  doesn't seem to be a factor in getting the bright ones.  There is no such thing as the "Real Ones", they are all real, it's just that apparently some of them turned out overly bright.  Early on I thought that there were two versions, but the majority of posters felt that the bright ones I had were "defective" and the normal ones were warm and bassy.

 

The replacements Beyer sent me certainly fit in the warm and bassy category and my description of how the new one's  sound is just like skylab's and macedonianhero's.

 

Over all, I'd say the new ones are very well balanced, good sounding, modern headphones with the added spacial effect provided by the angled drivers....... and the new headband is fabulously better than the old one.

 

As far as I'm concerned my replacement T-1s hit a home run.  Go Beyerdynamic!


 


Edited by upstateguy - 7/14/11 at 10:25am
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Originally Posted by agoston.berko View Post

and you say even that there is no difference between a cheap and a expensive HDMI cable between (for example) a PS3 and a Plasma TV ?

because HDMI is digital so 1 and 0 but I can see difference in picture. How could that be ? If video signal is depending on cable quality, why would be a sound data-stream (also 1 és 0) not be affected ?

 

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

are the old headbands changed for free by beyerdynamic ?

i just have to send them in ?

 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

Me was told (Jan Meier) that if my sound card reaches 24-bit input and output with SPDIF and also up to 192kHz sample rate  th  thatttt

than I should prefer SPDIF over USB. So that's it.

I will buy HDP and use SPDIF right from my motherboard layout. So no additional soundcard required.

Oh my God, HDP is soo intelligent and cute. For T1 ? Of course the silver one.

 

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can anybody recommend me an SPDIF cable between PC motherboard and HDP ?



There is zero difference in anything but build quality between a $5 and $500 HDMI cable, and this goes for any sort of digital cable. As long as the 1s and 0s are being transmitted, everything is the same, and if they aren't being transmitted correctly, you would know because the cable would be broken or the picture would be totally screwed. There are countless articles and videos that prove this, so just look it up.

 

I don't think Beyer is going to change your headband, and certainly not for free. It's just that the newer T1's have the new style headband.

 

I'm using optical with the HDP connected to my soundcard and 24/192 enabled. I don't know if I'm getting 96 or 192 as my sound card seems to only support 96 while Windows is showing 192, but regardless it's a very noticeable improvement over USB. I'm very happy I stumbled upon that thread.

 

I'm just using a standard optical cable and the adapter that comes with the HDP.

 


 

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Originally Posted by upstateguy View Post


According to reviewer Asr, the T-1 he had sounded like a 701 rather than an 880.

 

I had both versions and because of a failed driver, Beyer replaced the entire headphone with a new one, under the 2 year warranty.

 

My first T-1 was overly bright and bass light.  I posted that they sounded like souped up 880s but I could also live with Asr's 701 description because they were annoyingly bright. 

 

My second T-1, out of the box, was darker than my 650s.  It brightened up considerably within a few days, but it kept the 650ish bass quality, (though slightly less pronounced.)

 

Serial #  doesn't seem to be a factor in getting the bright ones.  There is no such thing as the "Real Ones", they are all real, it's just that apparently some of them turned out overly bright.  Early on I thought that there were two versions, but the majority of posters felt that the bright ones I had were "defective" and the normal ones were warm and bassy.

 

The replacements Beyer sent me certainly fit in the warm and bassy category and my description of how the new one's  sound is just like skylab's and macedonianhero's.

 

Over all, I'd say the new ones are very well balanced, good sounding, modern headphones with the added spacial effect provided by the angled drivers....... and the new headband is fabulously better than the old one.

 

As far as I'm concerned my replacement T-1s hit a home run.  Go Beyerdynamic!


 

Darker than the 650s? That's crazy. Glad I didn't get anything like that.

 

Mine kinda matches your first description, though not to such an extent. It's a tad bright and slightly more bass than the HD800, which would put it slightly above bass neutral or so. Souped up DT880s they certainly are, however.

 

However mine does not quite match Skylab and MacedonianHero's description just as you say. It's not as warm as theirs, and I really want it to be, their reviews were instrumental in convincing me to order one up. Hopefully the new one I order soon will be like that.

 

All that said, my pair was still amazing as it is. If I can get that little warmth in there too to tame the treble a little and boost the bass, I'll be in heaven.  But I DID have the new headband, so I dunno. Perhaps this is indeed about how you wear it/amp and dac synergy.

 

 


 

 


Edited by Alghazanth - 7/14/11 at 1:33pm
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new one you order ? that's sick. deadhorse.gif

how many ears you have to feed at home ?

 

why don't you buy something else, like LCD-2 or HD800 to compare ?

 

yes optical should be above USB

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Originally Posted by agoston.berko View Post

new one you order ? that's sick. deadhorse.gif

how many ears you have to feed at home ?

 

why don't you buy something else, like LCD-2 or HD800 to compare ?

 

yes optical should be above USB


Lol, check my profile.

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by Alghazanth View Post

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Darker than the 650s? That's crazy. Glad I didn't get anything like that.

 

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Just that way out of the box.....  It brightened up quite a bit but kept the bass...(not everyone's acted like this.)

 

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It's not bad. Let me put it this way: I never knew the T1 was hot in the treble until I spent hours A/Bing it with the HE500, which is totally treble neutral. Unless you're extremely sensitive to brightness, it won't be an issue at all. If it helps, with the HDP I found the HD800 bright but not too bright, while the DT990 got painfully bright fast. People say the same things about both with tons of different setups, so that tells me the HDP is not adding much brightness, if any. The T1 with the HDP is not the least bit fatiguing to me, it's one of the few cans I have no problem wearing all day.

 


The T1s aren't hot in the treble IMO...rather the HDP can be (based on my experiences with it). The T1s are showing you what you have upstream...they are very revealing that way.

The T1's treble is as silky smooth as my HE-6s with both the WA2 and WA22.
Edited by MacedonianHero - 7/14/11 at 5:55pm
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Macedonia have to tested t1 + hdp together or in different setups ? you listened to flac via dac or cd ? which cable u used ? usb ? rca ? toslink ? coaxial ?

 

 

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Originally Posted by agoston.berko View Post

Macedonia have to tested t1 + hdp together or in different setups ? you listened to flac via dac or cd ? which cable u used ? usb ? rca ? toslink ? coaxial ?

 

 


I heard it with my T1s and HD800s....not enough juice from the amp IMO. As a standalone DAC, I found the DAC also a bit on the bright/treble sizzly side. (digital coad fwiw). But for the $$, not a bad deal at all. But these are flagship headphones and they truly deserve a "system" to be put around them (source, dac, amp, cables, etc..) allow them to hit their potential. The HDP, while a great little amp/dac for the money isn't ideal for this level of headphones to get the most out of them.

If you're cool with getting 70% of what they can provide, then cool you've saved a lot of $$. If you're like me and want the best...as we say: "sorry to your wallet". tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post



The T1s aren't hot in the treble IMO...rather the HDP can be (based on my experiences with it). The T1s are showing you what you have upstream...they are very revealing that way.

The T1's treble is as silky smooth as my HE-6s with both the WA2 and WA22.


My T1 was still a little hot in the treble with the amps I tested out at my friend's place, which included the Beta 22 and WA6 among others, but only when I directly A/B'd with a treble neutral can, A lot of people I've talked to also found this to be an issue, a few so much that they sold it. It's not a big problem with mine, it's just minor brightness, but it's definitely there. Keep in mind mine seems to be different than yours in bass too.

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Originally Posted by Alghazanth View Post





My T1 was still a little hot in the treble with the amps I tested out at my friend's place, which included the Beta 22 and WA6 among others, but only when I directly A/B'd with a treble neutral can, A lot of people I've talked to also found this to be an issue, a few so much that they sold it. It's not a big problem with mine, it's just minor brightness, but it's definitely there. Keep in mind mine seems to be different than yours in bass too.


Maybe it's your younger ears. tongue.gif
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I wouldn't describe the HE-500 as treble-neutral. They're a bit more laid-back than that in the high-end.

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