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post #781 of 10477
Thread Starter 

Well my WA3+ has been heavily modded and now is almost like a different amp. I would say mine is near the performance of the WA2 if not the same performance. 

 

Even when the WA3 is not modded it still sounds incredible. Well worth the price ;)

 

Also Woo Audio is not a store from what I understand. Everything has to be purchased in advance and they build it then ship it out. So no walk in at all.
 

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Originally Posted by MetroBBOY View Post

Thanks Zombie.

 

I'm very new to the Woo Audio line up. Could you please briefly explain the differences between the model you have, as opposed to the version I linked to? And curious if they accept walk in buyers as I will be in NY in September. Cheers mate.

post #782 of 10477

i think you should disclose that yours is heavily modded when giving recommendations. im sure the stock WA3 sounds good, im not sure it sounds amazing as yours might.   

 

i decided to go with the DNA Sonett.  for the most part i heard it pairs well except one person that i read, thought it didnt have enough power.  so we shall see when everything gets here.  

post #783 of 10477
Thread Starter 

Yeah, I always do state that mine is heavily modded and no longer like the stock model. Though I do remember what the stock version sounds like.

 

But yeah I think when I pitch my amp I have the modded sound in mind some of the time. I still think the WA3 is a bargain when in stock form. Modding is optional but if you want to mod it to be like mine you might as well go out and guy a WA2. My modded WA3+  costs more than a stock WA2.

 

Also please do tell what the T1 sounds like with the DNA Sonnet. I really wanna hear what you think when it arrives.
 

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Originally Posted by caracara08 View Post

i think you should disclose that yours is heavily modded when giving recommendations. im sure the stock WA3 sounds good, im not sure it sounds amazing as yours might.   

 

i decided to go with the DNA Sonett.  for the most part i heard it pairs well except one person that i read, thought it didnt have enough power.  so we shall see when everything gets here.  

post #784 of 10477
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Originally Posted by agoston.berko View Post

HDP would be for me approximately 550 dollar here in EU (with shipping).

I think that's already a difference in prize.

 

I found HDP review and there was mentioned a nice synergy between HDP-T1 combo.

http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/nuforce14/hdp.html 

 

Can anybody confirm that ?

 


Yes, the T1 (and all of my other cans) sound fantastic with the HDP. There are most certainly improvements to be had with the higher end amps, but for the price the HDP is an absolute winner.


Edited by Alghazanth - 7/13/11 at 6:58pm
post #785 of 10477
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Originally Posted by Zombie_X View Post

Yeah, I always do state that mine is heavily modded and no longer like the stock model. Though I do remember what the stock version sounds like.

 

But yeah I think when I pitch my amp I have the modded sound in mind some of the time. I still think the WA3 is a bargain when in stock form. Modding is optional but if you want to mod it to be like mine you might as well go out and guy a WA2. My modded WA3+  costs more than a stock WA2.

 

Also please do tell what the T1 sounds like with the DNA Sonnet. I really wanna hear what you think when it arrives.
 



yea ill post here.  its like the sonett is forgotten in the sea of woo and schiit.  im hoping it lives up to its reviews.

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Thanks Alghazanth, that's exaclty what I wanted to hear. I think I will get the HDP first and after awhile get something like WA2 and friends.

 

Is it possible to use is without soundcard via USB port ?

But I heard that the USB is limited to 24bit/96kHz, so it would be wise I would build the system through m2tech Hiface usb to coax device. That way it should do 24/192kHz and should be much better than optical (less jitter). But that's another 100$.

 

Could you describe the sound T1-HDP combo ?

I would appreciate it.

post #787 of 10477
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Originally Posted by agoston.berko View Post

Thanks Alghazanth, that's exaclty what I wanted to hear. I think I will get the HDP first and after awhile get something like WA2 and friends.

 

Is it possible to use is without soundcard via USB port ?

But I heard that the USB is limited to 24bit/96kHz, so it would be wise I would build the system through m2tech Hiface usb to coax device. That way it should do 24/192kHz and should be much better than optical (less jitter). But that's another 100$.

 

Could you describe the sound T1-HDP combo ?

I would appreciate it.


Yes, I have it hooked up via USB and it doesn't utilize my sound card.

 

I don't think upgrading to 24/192khz will do anything. I've seen it proven many times in various threads and videos that the whole sample rate/bitdepth thing contains no sound quality differences over 16/48, nor have I noticed any. But I'm not 100% sure about the jump from 96 to 192 in particular.

 

The only thing the HDP changes in the T1 signature is it might add a LITTLE brightness. The T1 sound itself I've gone into many times before, so I'll just quickly summarize:

 

Bass- Very slightly above HD800 in quantity, very tight, pretty punchy and textured.

Mids- Extremely lifelike, emotional, and engrossing.

Highs- Very nicely detailed and extended with energy, but perhaps a little hot in the treble.

Soundstage- Very spacious and natural not as big as the HD800 but more lifelike for most music.

Transparency- You'll hear everything you would with the HD800, but the details won't be in your face.

 

It's much more than the sum of its parts and combines into a signature it shares only with the HE500- Incredibly engrossing and natural. The most natural and beautiful sound I've heard. It's my favorite open dynamic can and responsible for a major musical epiphany of mine. If you're coming from a colored can like I did, it will take some getting used to but in the end the sound is simply gorgeously captivating and heavenly for nearly all music. The exception is bass quantity dependent genres like Hip Hop and Electronic, in which case I'd go for the LA7000, LCD2, or ED8. But if those aren't your main genres and/or you find the T1's bass quantity sufficient, you'll be golden in every other aspect.

 

 

 

 


Edited by Alghazanth - 7/13/11 at 10:19pm
post #788 of 10477

wow. thanks.

the only reason to be afraid of is the T1 sibilance + HDP sibilance together.

maybe I should try to avoid adding extra juicy treble in the higher octaves.

but you can comment about the payoff, you experienced it already. how bad is it ?

problem is that I can't test HDP here in Hungary.

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Originally Posted by agoston.berko View Post

wow. thanks.

the only reason to be afraid of is the T1 sibilance + HDP sibilance together.

maybe I should try to avoid adding extra juicy treble in the higher octaves.

but you can comment about the payoff, you experienced it already. how bad is it ?

problem is that I can't test HDP here in Hungary.


It's not bad. Let me put it this way: I never knew the T1 was hot in the treble until I spent hours A/Bing it with the HE500, which is totally treble neutral. Unless you're extremely sensitive to brightness, it won't be an issue at all. If it helps, with the HDP I found the HD800 bright but not too bright, while the DT990 got painfully bright fast. People say the same things about both with tons of different setups, so that tells me the HDP is not adding much brightness, if any. The T1 with the HDP is not the least bit fatiguing to me, it's one of the few cans I have no problem wearing all day.

 

post #790 of 10477

sounds good.  in my opinion HDP is very VERY smart device in this prize range.

is there actually any other amp/dac combo at all which has similar grade of sound level for same bucks ?

 

for me the unamibiguous-proof that HDP actually works is that Jan Meier

(who creates high-fi equipments for several years now) sells HDP on his official CORDA homepage.

http://www.meier-audio.homepage.t-online.de/amplifiers.htm 

 

HDP

does it actually has a remote ?

i like it that it has to fans, only the aluminium heatsink.

 

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are the rumors true about the T1 that is has two synergy-versions ? 880ish and 650ish.

depending on serial # ?!

 

it's kind a strange that a grand costing HP has altering sound-finishes.

 

 

post #791 of 10477
Quote:
Originally Posted by agoston.berko View Post

sounds good.  in my opinion HDP is very VERY smart device in this prize range.

is there actually any other amp/dac combo at all which has similar grade of sound level for same bucks ?

 

for me the unamibiguous-proof that HDP actually works is that Jan Meier

(who creates high-fi equipments for several years now) sells HDP on his official CORDA homepage.

http://www.meier-audio.homepage.t-online.de/amplifiers.htm 

 

HDP

does it actually has a remote ?

i like it that it has to fans, only the aluminium heatsink.

 

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

are the rumors true about the T1 that is has two synergy-versions ? 880ish and 650ish.

depending on serial # ?!

 

it's kind a strange that a grand costing HP has altering sound-finishes.

 

 


The HDP is indeed amazing for the price. I don't know of anything anywhere near its price range that is as good. Hell, I've been seriously considering getting the Burson HA-160D and two people have told me the differences between it and the HDP are negligible.

 

Also the face on that page scares me every time.

 

The HDP doesn't have a remote.

 

The two versions of the T1 thing is something I can't pin down. On the one hand we have all these different experiences and two graphs floating around that are quite different (Very early S/N and 3xxx) and on the other hand Beyer maintains nothing but the headband has changed. According to some people's descriptions I have the "Defective" T1, and according to others' I have the "Real" T1. What I do know is I'm talking to two people right now who have a S/N 1000+ higher than mine and their impressions are exactly the same. All three of us have the new headband. So assuming yours does too, you can rest assured you have the "Real" T1, I guess.

 

 

One thing is for sure, there isn't a single T1 out there that sounds anything like an HD650. Completely different signatures. The T1 sounds like a super-upgraded DT880.

 

 

 

post #792 of 10477

is the differece between old and new headband visible ?

on the beyer homepage I only see one type of headband.

 

post #793 of 10477
Quote:
Originally Posted by agoston.berko View Post

is the differece between old and new headband visible ?

on the beyer homepage I only see one type of headband.

 


 

http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/542487/beyerdynamic-t1-s-headband-exchange

post #794 of 10477

how important is the USB cable between HDP and PC regarding to serve the T1 as good as possible ?

i mean quality wise.

post #795 of 10477
Quote:
Originally Posted by agoston.berko View Post

how important is the USB cable between HDP and PC regarding to serve the T1 as good as possible ?

i mean quality wise.



Good timing there. I've been using the USB connection with the HDP since I got it, but I just stumbled into a thread a few hours back that said the optical connection provides better sound with the HDP. It's definitely true, the difference is surprisingly huge. That's saying a hell of a lot for something that already sounded incredible for the price to start with.

 

Quality of USB/optical/any digital cable means absolutely nothing as long as they aren't defective. Otherwise you're wasting money on nothing, it's all ones and zeros being transmitted.

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