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post #7786 of 7798
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Originally Posted by upstateguy View Post

 

 

To the guys trying to use amps to equalize their T1s:  Why not just EQ them instead?  Find the frequency that's bothering you and turn it down a bit. If you can't fix them with EQing, you might want to go to a meet and listen to another pair of T1s.  You might be as surprised as I was.

 

 

Interesting question - using different amps to achieve a different sound is basically EQing with hardware, I can see that, but with tube amps, there's the phenomenon of 'tube sound' beyond the simple alteration of frequency response. Whole thread on this... http://www.head-fi.org/t/721500/how-is-tube-sound-even-audible-in-modern-headphone-amps

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Originally Posted by WraithApe View Post
 

 

I've read this whole thread through from the start (a while ago now) and I've read all the discussions about "different versions" - just don't buy it, sorry - didn't then, don't now. Why would Beyer intentionally release such different sounding phones? Or are you alleging a fairly substantial quality control failure? I'm pretty sure someone posted a response from Beyerdynamic earlier in this thread and their official line was that there never were two versions. Mine are a late serial number (19120) too: those units which people were saying were overly bright were in the lower numbers. I bought them brand new from an authorized dealer here in the UK.

 

 

Yeah don't worry, this wouldn't be the first time in the audiophile world that an unsubstantiated claim is mistaken for fact :rolleyes: 

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Originally Posted by WraithApe View Post
 

 

I've read this whole thread through from the start (a while ago now) and I've read all the discussions about "different versions" - just don't buy it, sorry - didn't then, don't now. Why would Beyer intentionally release such different sounding phones? Or are you alleging a fairly substantial quality control failure? I'm pretty sure someone posted a response from Beyerdynamic earlier in this thread and their official line was that there never were two versions. Mine are a late serial number (19120) too: those units which people were saying were overly bright were in the lower numbers. I bought them brand new from an authorized dealer here in the UK.

 

I think I was slightly misquoted on the overly bright thing - I said I personally found the specific combo of Hugo + T1 overly bright, not the T1s themselves. Although I would still describe the headphone as being on the bright side compared to others I've owned, I wouldn't describe the actual headphone as overly so. 

I don't think Beyer would intentionally do anything like that... but perhaps one of their various suppliers is shipping an inferior driver or driver part that leads to this problem.....  all I know is that the first T1s were overly bright and the second pair were not. :confused_face(1):

 

Beyer also completely changed the headband pad between my first T1 and the second.  I wouldn't call that another version but it was a major upgrade.

 

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Originally Posted by WraithApe View Post
 

 

Interesting question - using different amps to achieve a different sound is basically EQing with hardware, I can see that, but with tube amps, there's the phenomenon of 'tube sound' beyond the simple alteration of frequency response. Whole thread on this... http://www.head-fi.org/t/721500/how-is-tube-sound-even-audible-in-modern-headphone-amps

foobar "tube sound" or some other 3rd party foobar DSP that simulates tubes, or an add on device with sound processing algorithms that can add various amounts of harmonic distortion. 

 

Regarding the phenomena of tube sound, reproducing it with SS equipment is really nothing new.... 1985, the Carver challenge. http://www.stereophile.com/content/carver-challenge  :beyersmile:

 

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Originally Posted by RazorJack View Post
 

 

Yeah don't worry, this wouldn't be the first time in the audiophile world that an unsubstantiated claim is mistaken for fact :rolleyes: 

Spoken like a person who never experienced a new, but faulty, piece of electronic equipment.  :evil: 


Edited by upstateguy - Yesterday at 6:38 pm
post #7789 of 7798

I'm going to have to agree with USG on this one.  I had Winks T1 for a while and couldn't work out how anyone could call them bright.  They are extremely resolving of fine details without a peaky treble.  Both USG and I have the HD650 as a reference, I agree with what he says....the T1 is much more resolving than the HD650.  It must be a different T1 than the one I heard when people are claiming brightness.

 

I remember when the T1 and HD800 first came out.  The T1 was the more favored can....how things have changed...no doubt due to measurements that have appeared since.  I find it odd how the general consensus can shift when measurements weren't as available, to when measurements are available.  My opinion never changed though, the T1 is a top dynamic at the highest level IMO and were I as fortunate as others with finances, would have one in my arsenal of cans.

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Could it be because the HD800 is very amp-picky and in 2009-2010 there aren't very many amps that sounds good with the HD800, let alone designed for them?

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Nope.  Collective psychology.

 

My other theory is that some how, Sennheisser has reduced the ringing from the first HD800s...I might like a newer HD800.  There are measurements out there suggesting the HD800 has had running improvements.


Edited by SP Wild - Yesterday at 8:53 pm
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Originally Posted by SP Wild View Post
 

Nope.  Collective psychology.

 

 

And price difference plays a big part too? You know most people would think a higher price means better sound :D

 

HD800 price hasn't dropped much, but T1 price has been dropping pretty much every year, until it's nearly half of what HD800s cost now... 

post #7793 of 7798
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Originally Posted by SP Wild View Post
 

Nope.  Collective psychology.

 

 

And price difference plays a big part too? You know most people would think a higher price means better sound :D

 

HD800 price hasn't dropped much, but T1 price has been dropping pretty much every year, until it's nearly half of what HD800s cost now... 

 

tbh it could mean the other way around. Why do Beyerdynamic felt the need to reduce the price of T1, while Sennheiser kept their pricing of the HD800? I auditioned both in December 2013, which at that point of time I have no idea of their measurements and elected to go for the HD800. But the urge to get the T1's persist, which led me to getting them 5 months later, although after a month I cannot shake off the feeling that I preferred the HD800 and can't stand the view of T1s gathering dust, so I sold them.

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Originally Posted by 62ohm View Post
 

 

tbh it could mean the other way around. Why do Beyerdynamic felt the need to reduce the price of T1, while Sennheiser kept their pricing of the HD800? I auditioned both in December 2013, which at that point of time I have no idea of their measurements and elected to go for the HD800. But the urge to get the T1's persist, which led me to getting them 5 months later, although after a month I cannot shake off the feeling that I preferred the HD800 and can't stand the view of T1s gathering dust, so I sold them.

 

If you been around head fi in the earlier you'd understand how this place operates with a hive mentality...this hive is alive and very demanding.  The demands affect price competition.

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I own both headphones and I plan to keep them both. The T1 and the HD800 have a different presentation and I enjoy both. I admit I spend more time with my HD800's, but that doesn't mean that I don't enjoy listening to the T1's. As far as the price it seems the audiophile community has made up their collective minds and the market has forced the price of the T1's down. Beyer has to move boxes so they turn the other way and ignore the discounts. Sennheiser has so much clout in the market they can control their pricing. No dealer want to lose a Sennheiser franchise. They are too dominant in the market. Beyer is a much smaller company and they just don't have the control over the dealers. Doesn't mean the T1's aren't great headphones. I certainly enjoy mine. The constant comparison between the two will never end until one of these companies come out with a new model as a replacement. Then we will have something all new to pick apart.

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Originally Posted by Chodi View Post
 

I own both headphones and I plan to keep them both. The T1 and the HD800 have a different presentation and I enjoy both. I admit I spend more time with my HD800's, but that doesn't mean that I don't enjoy listening to the T1's. As far as the price it seems the audiophile community has made up their collective minds and the market has forced the price of the T1's down. Beyer has to move boxes so they turn the other way and ignore the discounts. Sennheiser has so much clout in the market they can control their pricing. No dealer want to lose a Sennheiser franchise. They are too dominant in the market. Beyer is a much smaller company and they just don't have the control over the dealers. Doesn't mean the T1's aren't great headphones. I certainly enjoy mine. The constant comparison between the two will never end until one of these companies come out with a new model as a replacement. Then we will have something all new to pick apart.

 

+1, well said. The T1 is not a bad headphone, I just preferred my HD800 more. But I did enjoy my time with it, I would be lying if I say I don't miss it.

post #7797 of 7798

Funny - I feel exactly the opposite. Each to their own I guess...

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Originally Posted by Chodi View Post
 

I own both headphones and I plan to keep them both. The T1 and the HD800 have a different presentation and I enjoy both. I admit I spend more time with my HD800's, but that doesn't mean that I don't enjoy listening to the T1's. 

+1. I think their price is a correct representation of the value. I have both & like both but I feel HD 800 is slightly more resolving. Whenever I want to test  anything new (Tube / Dac /Amp / Cable ) I turn to the HD 800.

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