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Yeah I remember disagreeing with you before about this one - all I can say is we must have very different ears, cos I'd almost go as far as to use the epithet 'punishing' myself! Maybe I'm just particularly sensitive to brightness; I've really struggled with the T1's peaky treble ever since I bought them - as much as I like them in most other departments, it's the one real drawback of the phones IMO.

Disagreeing constructively is healthy! :-) But in my Opinion the T1 s you have, sound like they're duff! Sessions with friends here , who are seasoned headphone users and who
Own everything from Abyss. Audeze, Sennheiser, etc , have, without exception, garnered comments on how smooth they are through the Hugo! So it's not just me!
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Well obviously we're all different in the ears dept, but. I totally disagree! They sounds organic and silky smooth through the Hugo with a decent soundstage. The HD 800 s sound bright through the Hugo, as they do through many amps, though the Hugo even tames these to a certain extent

 

Yeah I remember disagreeing with you before about this one - all I can say is we must have very different ears, cos I'd almost go as far as to use the epithet 'punishing' myself! Maybe I'm just particularly sensitive to brightness; I've really struggled with the T1's peaky treble ever since I bought them - as much as I like them in most other departments, it's the one real drawback of the phones IMO.

 

I had little problem with T1's 8.5k peak with the OTL WA3, so I'm guessing the WA2 should be even better if you want to tame that treble spike.

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Yeah I remember disagreeing with you before about this one - all I can say is we must have very different ears, cos I'd almost go as far as to use the epithet 'punishing' myself! Maybe I'm just particularly sensitive to brightness; I've really struggled with the T1's peaky treble ever since I bought them - as much as I like them in most other departments, it's the one real drawback of the phones IMO.

What is surprising is that you find them bright through Icon Audio HP8 MKII (as there is no other amp listed in your profile). May I know what tubes you are using ?

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I had little problem with T1's 8.5k peak with the OTL WA3, so I'm guessing the WA2 should be even better if you want to tame that treble spike.

 

That's exactly the frequency range I'm talking about, yeah - I did use a bit of judicious EQ to take it down a peg or two, but I'm using a tube amp now and it's just about OK for me in terms of the treble. I realize that using a tube amp is arguably just EQ-ing through hardware, but I like the synergy they have with the T1.

 

There's nothing wrong with my T1s, Racy - I don't think it's going out on a limb to say they have a treble peak, or that they are pretty bright phones in the general scheme of things.

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What is surprising is that you find them bright through Icon Audio HP8 MKII (as there is no other amp listed in your profile). May I know what tubes you are using ?

 

No, I don't :-) That's the first amp I've found to date which tames their brightness to a level I'm comfortable with, although unfortunately I haven't been able to try things like the WA2 which a lot of people on this thread and others have said is their absolute best match.

 

Just for the record, the tubes I'm using are Bad Boy 6SN7s + Mullard 12AX7, all NOS.

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No, I don't :-) That's the first amp I've found to date which tames their brightness to a level I'm comfortable with, although unfortunately I haven't been able to try things like the WA2 which a lot of people on this thread and others have said is their absolute best match.

 

Just for the record, the tubes I'm using are Bad Boy 6SN7s + Mullard 12AX7, all NOS.

 

:beerchug:

 

and it still is.... 

 

WA5 is also very good with T1, 

 

WA22 as well but i would take WA2 over it.

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Just for the record, the tubes I'm using are Bad Boy 6SN7s + Mullard 12AX7, all NOS.

Good tubes.

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No, I don't :-) That's the first amp I've found to date which tames their brightness to a level I'm comfortable with, although unfortunately I haven't been able to try things like the WA2 which a lot of people on this thread and others have said is their absolute best match.

 

Just for the record, the tubes I'm using are Bad Boy 6SN7s + Mullard 12AX7, all NOS.

 

:beerchug:

 

and it still is.... 

 

WA5 is also very good with T1, 

 

WA22 as well but i would take WA2 over it.

 

What a shocking revelation that the WA2 can actually compete with WA5 for the T1s.

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No, I don't :-) That's the first amp I've found to date which tames their brightness to a level I'm comfortable with, although unfortunately I haven't been able to try things like the WA2 which a lot of people on this thread and others have said is their absolute best match.

 

Just for the record, the tubes I'm using are Bad Boy 6SN7s + Mullard 12AX7, all NOS.


From what I've heard, the two best amps for the T1s IMO are the Bottlehead Crack for budget option and the Bottlehead Mainline for high-end level. These two amps, especially the Crack, which is also an OTL amp like the WA2, really tames the peak treble very well while it still remains the wonderful transparency and detail of the T1s. And the T1s sound just sublime with the Mainline.

 

Unfortunately, I've never heard the WA2, I only heard the WA3, WA22 and WA6. None of them can bring the synergy out of the T1s like the two Bottlehead amps do. I've been very curious about how the T1s sound with the WA2, BTW.

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What a shocking revelation that the WA2 can actually compete with WA5 for the T1s.

 

it sure can, when were talking about synergy and overall quality of the combination, yes. WA2 competing with WA5 when it comes to detail, resolution, etc, no.

 

the WA2 really does show you what the T1 can do at their best though. i haven't had tons of time with T1 / WA5 since I haven't owned a T1 in a while now so i can't really say much more.

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I am - and I like it. Hugo drives them well.  They are relatively bright and I have found this a problem in the past - could not stick with the MDAC for this very reason - but I don't find this a problem with the Hugo, even on lengthy listening sessions.

 

Having said that I've got an LCD-X on its way because, you know, Headfi :beyersmile:

looks like another T1 is up for sale soon ;)

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From what I've heard, the two best amps for the T1s IMO are the Bottlehead Crack for budget option and the Bottlehead Mainline for high-end level. These two amps, especially the Crack, which is also an OTL amp like the WA2, really tames the peak treble very well while it still remains the wonderful transparency and detail of the T1s. And the T1s sound just sublime with the Mainline.

 

Unfortunately, I've never heard the WA2, I only heard the WA3, WA22 and WA6. None of them can bring the synergy out of the T1s like the two Bottlehead amps do. I've been very curious about how the T1s sound with the WA2, BTW.


I have owned The Crack & WA22 at the same time. IMHO The WA22 (with tube upgrades & balanced DAC) has better soundstage, imaging, instrument separation, Detail retrieval / resolving capacity than the Crack. The Crack has better bass punch but WA22 has better bass texture / resolution.

 

I love the Crack & consider it one of the best value amps I have heard , based on my limited experience(for the T1 , T90 & HD 800 ).


Edited by punit - 7/21/14 at 7:25am
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I auditioned that combo a couple of times. The Hugo is more than capable, I just didn't like how the T1s sounded with it: overly bright to my ears, to the point of harshness at times. I know there are other T1 owners who disagree though and have said they like the combo (search Hugo on this thread), so I guess it's a matter of personal taste, as ever!

 

I posted about this overly bright thing a few years ago.

 

The first T1s I bought were overly bright, just as you describe.  I complained about it in the forum but only found a small number of people who agreed with me.  Then one of the T1 drivers failed.  This was the best thing that ever happened because when Beyer replaced the headphones (free of charge of course) with a new pair, there was a day and night difference.  Gone was the screechy, overly bright, sound and in it's place was a wonderfully smooth, warmish, expansive Beyeresque house sound. So, having had both versions of the T1s I can attest to the fact that some of them are definitely overly bright.  

 

 As an aside, what I know is that most of the guys who had the overly bright versions sold them off, thinking this is how a T1 sounds.  This makes me wary about T1s that are sold off soon after purchase, because I think they are from guys who are getting rid of the overly bright versions for the reasons you mention, which, btw, is exactly what I would have done if the replacement headphones had been overly bright as well.

 

And so my question to you, WraithA, is did you buy the T1s new or on the secondary market?

 

To the guys trying to use amps to equalize their T1s:  Why not just EQ them instead?  Find the frequency that's bothering you and turn it down a bit. If you can't fix them with EQing, you might want to go to a meet and listen to another pair of T1s.  You might be as surprised as I was.

 

And btw, since the T1s are all about resolution, I found  there was nothing I could do to my WA2 or M^3 to give them the resolution of my GS-1, which has become my de facto amp for everything.  It should also be noted that, surprisingly, the inexpensive transportable O2 amp (running from the AC adapter) is almost indistinguishable from the GS-1 except for maximum volume.

 

DAC used:  NothStar 192 MKII

Transport:  HiFace - has more resolution

                  Blue Circle Thingee - has better tone


Edited by upstateguy - 7/21/14 at 11:15am
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My own T1's where quiet bright with the stock BH Crack and on certain favourite female tracks the sibilance was cringe worthy.While the T1's still sounded good the midrange and vocals I would describe as a touch lean or cool.

 

Going down the Cracks upgrade path really transform the performance of my T1's. Fitting quality film output signal capacitors in place of the stock electrolytic ones and a stepped attenuator helped a lot but the icing on the cake was the difference fitting Teflon capacitors made. Those inexpensive Russian ones that are used to bypass the films. The sibilance vanished the top end is silky smooth and refined combined with resolution which puts my solid state amp to shame. The mid range and vocals have been given a kiss of life and now have plenty of soul and  I have never heard them sound better, texture and nuances of vocals is wonderful and most probably my favourite aspect of listening with my T1's.


Edited by JamieMcC - 7/21/14 at 10:03am
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Originally Posted by upstateguy View Post
 

 

I posted about this overly bright thing a few years ago.

 

The first T1s I bought were overly bright, just as you describe.  I complained about it in the forum but only found a small number of people who agreed with me.  Then one of the T1 drivers failed.  This was the best thing that ever happened because when Beyer replaced the headphones (free of charge of course) with a new pair, there was a day and night difference.  Gone was the screechy, overly bright, sound and in it's place was a wonderfully smooth, warmish, expansive Beyeresque house sound. So, having had both versions of the T1s I can attest to the fact that some of them are definitely overly bright.  

 

 As an aside, what I know is that most of the guys who had the overly bright versions sold them off, thinking this is how a T1 sounds.  This makes me wary about T1s that are sold off soon after purchase, because I think they are from guys who are getting rid of the overly bright versions for the reasons you mention, which, btw, is exactly what I would have done if the replacement headphones had been overly bright as well.

 

And so my question to you, WraithA, is did you buy the T1s new or on the secondary market?

 

To the guys trying to use amps to equalize their T1s:  Why not just EQ them instead?  Find the frequency that's bothering you and turn it down a bit. If you can't fix them with EQing, you might want to go to a meet and listen to another pair of T1s.  You might be as surprised as I was.

 

And btw, since the T1s are all about resolution, I found  there was nothing I could do to my WA2 or M^3 to give them the resolution of my GS-1, which has become my de facto amp for everything.  It should also be noted that, surprisingly, the inexpensive transportable O2 amp (running from the AC adapter) is almost indistinguishable from the GS-1 except for maximum volume.

 

DAC used:  NothStar 192 MKII

Transport:  HiFace - has more resolution

                  Blue Circle Thingee - has better tone

 

I've read this whole thread through from the start (a while ago now) and I've read all the discussions about "different versions" - just don't buy it, sorry - didn't then, don't now. Why would Beyer intentionally release such different sounding phones? Or are you alleging a fairly substantial quality control failure? I'm pretty sure someone posted a response from Beyerdynamic earlier in this thread and their official line was that there never were two versions. Mine are a late serial number (19120) too: those units which people were saying were overly bright were in the lower numbers. I bought them brand new from an authorized dealer here in the UK.

 

I think I was slightly misquoted on the overly bright thing - I said I personally found the specific combo of Hugo + T1 overly bright, not the T1s themselves. Although I would still describe the headphone as being on the bright side compared to others I've owned, I wouldn't describe the actual headphone as overly so. 


Edited by WraithApe - 7/21/14 at 12:12pm
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