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Originally Posted by benjaminhuypham View Post

At $699, I don't see any points why people would choose HD800 over T1. Hd800 is hardly be found around $1200 new and used usually runs around $1000. $300 more than brand new T1. If brand new hd800s go below $890 (happened once on last black Friday), I might consider. At this point there is a no-brainer to wrap a pair of T1.

 

I totally agree with this.  I was one of the lucky few who got that HD800 deal, so trading up (more like a sidegrade, actually) was easy for me.  I ended up trading my T1 for a T5p and now I have the best of both worlds.  

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Hmm, interesting, I've been a fan of HD800s for over two years, and I have to admit that I hadn't heard the T1 when I was having the HD800s. I had a pair of HD800s, one has the early and one has the late serial number ( 2xxxx ) . Just recently, I bought a T1 from buydig too ( with $740, a bit more than the discount price now ). When I heard the T1 with my Bottlehead Crack for the 1st time, I nearly couldn't believe my ears, the T1 was better in many genres than the HD800s ( except for classical ), especially the midrange. I sold one of my HD800s right away.

 

So I guess maybe the HD800s are more superior in terms of 'accuracy' and 'technical factor', but I've never had the same feeling when I listened to vocals with the HD800s as I had with the T1s. I don't care if this headphone has a more balanced FR, it has a bigger soundstage or it provides a more 'accurate' sound, the only thing I care is how I feel about the music. We're all here, sharing experiences to each other on our passion, the love for 'music', NOT 'sound'. As long as I enjoy and have a good time listening to music, everything else doesn't matter to me. In that region, the T1s, IMHO, actually do a better job than the HD800s.

 

I'm not saying the T1s sound 'better' than the HD800s, they just match my 'taste' perfectly and give me the enjoyment I've never had with the HD800s.


Edited by Aeolus Kratos - 8/1/14 at 3:48am
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Originally Posted by Chodi View Post
 

I have considered selling my T1's also but the recent drop in price would cause me to take a huge loss in selling them. I think on the used market they are only reasonably going for around $400-$500. I might just keep them for occasonal use rather than donate them for such a loss.

 

 

Where can you get a T1 for $400?

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Absolutely agree with Kratos, comparing T1 to HD800 just like Brady vs Peyton or Ronaldo vs Messi. Music is subjective, not everybody has the same feelings as each other. One crucial thing that I have to mention is the "good" hd800 rig costs significantly more than "good" T1 rig.
Edited by benjaminhuypham - 6/9/14 at 8:23pm
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Mozart digs a good T1 rig.
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Originally Posted by Aeolus Kratos View Post

Hmm, interesting, I've been a fan of HD800s for over two years, and I have to admit that I hadn't heard the T1 when I was having the HD800s. I had 2 pairs of HD800s, one has the early and one has the late serial number ( 2xxxx ) . Just recently, I bought a T1 from buydig too ( with $740, a bit more than the discount price now ). When I heard the T1 with my Bottlehead Crack for the 1st time, I nearly couldn't believe my ears, the T1 was better in many genres than the HD800s ( except for classical ), especially the midrange. I sold one of my HD800s right away.



 



So I guess maybe the HD800s are more superior in terms of 'accuracy' and 'technical factor', but I've never had the same feeling when I listened to vocals with the HD800s as I had with the T1s. I don't care if this headphone has a more balanced FR, it has a bigger soundstage or it provides a more 'accurate' sound, the only thing I care is how I feel about the music. We're all here, sharing experiences to each other on our passion, the love for 'music', NOT 'sound'. As long as I enjoy and have a good time listening to music, everything else doesn't matter to me. In that region, the T1s, IMHO, actually do a better job than the HD800s.



 



I'm not saying the T1s sound 'better' than the HD800s, they just match my 'taste' perfectly and give me the enjoyment I've never had with the HD800s.


 



The way Beyerdynamic tunes their headphones is the key. All Beyer phones give the same similar feel regardless of price point. I have the T1, DT250 and the cheapest DT235. Sure they don't sound exactly the same but I can recognize the familar Beyer sound feeling in each phones that I have come to love.

I never really warmed up to any Sennheisers I tried (HD800/6xx and Momentums) or even Audeze's (LCD-2 and X). Sure I enjoy listening to each of these phones but only with specific music genres. I always feel something is missing with these phones. T1 is still the most versatile for me.
Edited by headwhacker - 6/9/14 at 8:36pm
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Originally Posted by Aeolus Kratos View Post
 

Hmm, interesting, I've been a fan of HD800s for over two years, and I have to admit that I hadn't heard the T1 when I was having the HD800s. I had 2 pairs of HD800s, one has the early and one has the late serial number ( 2xxxx ) . Just recently, I bought a T1 from buydig too ( with $740, a bit more than the discount price now ). When I heard the T1 with my Bottlehead Crack for the 1st time, I nearly couldn't believe my ears, the T1 was better in many genres than the HD800s ( except for classical ), especially the midrange. I sold one of my HD800s right away.

 

So I guess maybe the HD800s are more superior in terms of 'accuracy' and 'technical factor', but I've never had the same feeling when I listened to vocals with the HD800s as I had with the T1s. I don't care if this headphone has a more balanced FR, it has a bigger soundstage or it provides a more 'accurate' sound, the only thing I care is how I feel about the music. We're all here, sharing experiences to each other on our passion, the love for 'music', NOT 'sound'. As long as I enjoy and have a good time listening to music, everything else doesn't matter to me. In that region, the T1s, IMHO, actually do a better job than the HD800s.

 

I'm not saying the T1s sound 'better' than the HD800s, they just match my 'taste' perfectly and give me the enjoyment I've never had with the HD800s.

 

This means you prefers the T1 over HD800, subjectively. It's totally understandable and reasonable, since music itself is a very subjective matter. Though as Alduous Huxley once said, "Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored", technical measurements are true and objective, and I personally preferred the technicalities HD800 provides, hence why I'm selling my T1.

 

We value different things differently, and I value comfort, transparency and soundstage the most. Comfort would be subjective, but being the more transparent and have bigger soundstage cans HD800 is the one I ended up keeping.

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It is possible for something to measure well and sound boring.

There is the subjective vs objective debate. In the end it is all about what a person values most - Measurements, sound, reputation, image etc etc etc.

I will not beat up a Beats lover (much). His point of view is as valid as mine. That does not mean that I won't encourage him to try something else as well.
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Anyone recommend a Decent DAC for around $300 USD, I'd take second hand if shipped easily. 

 

I have Crack Amp with Speedball to match it. I prefer an accurate but leaning toward slightly warm sound and listen to a lot of pop and female artists like Celine Dion.

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Hey everyone, I'm looking for some advice on whether or not to grab the T1. For reference, I guess I could say I prefer warmer or coloured headphones. Out of everything I've owned and heard, I keep coming back to the HD600 and HE400. I've owned the HD800s and found them too neutral and lacking emotion. I also own the LCD2 and while they seem closer to what I'm looking for, they seem to lack musicality. They sound great but I'm never pulled into the music I listen to in the way the HE400 and HD600 seem to do and the soundstage seems closed in. 

 

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated

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Originally Posted by Steve_72 View Post
 

Hey everyone, I'm looking for some advice on whether or not to grab the T1. For reference, I guess I could say I prefer warmer or coloured headphones. Out of everything I've owned and heard, I keep coming back to the HD600 and HE400. I've owned the HD800s and found them too neutral and lacking emotion. I also own the LCD2 and while they seem closer to what I'm looking for, they seem to lack musicality. They sound great but I'm never pulled into the music I listen to in the way the HE400 and HD600 seem to do and the soundstage seems closed in. 

 

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated

Never heard the HE400 but I suspect T1s are a bit different from the HD600s. I never directly compared them together, since I had the HD600 long time ago. IMO T1 is a bit less warm in the bottom and mids, and much better in highs than HD600s. Their soundstages are perhaps similar in size but T1s are probably more accurate. 

Perhaps that means 'less musical' than HD600s. 

But it may still be a worthy choice for 'upgrade', I find that 'upgrading' does not necessarily require sticking to your previous taste of tonality. Especially when T1s are so cheap cheap now. 

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Originally Posted by elvergun View Post
 

 

 

Where can you get a T1 for $400?

I was referring to the used market. Since the drop in new pricing the used pricing is being adjusted as you would expect. Just view the various used markets and they will pop up. Probably closer to $500 at the moment but that will change as this situation develops rapidly. The introduction of the HE560 may also be a factor if the reviews continue to be glowing.

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Originally Posted by networkn View Post

Anyone recommend a Decent DAC for around $300 USD, I'd take second hand if shipped easily. 

I have Crack Amp with Speedball to match it. I prefer an accurate but leaning toward slightly warm sound and listen to a lot of pop and female artists like Celine Dion.


Used Musical Fidelity M1 DAC wink.gif
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Originally Posted by Aeolus Kratos View Post
As long as I enjoy and have a good time listening to music, everything else doesn't matter to me. In that region, the T1s, IMHO, actually do a better job than the HD800s.

 

That is my feeling about HD800 vs. T1 as well... I do like technical accuracy, honor good measurements and a clean technical solution... but in the end I want to enjoy the music. And the A2+T1 gives me more of that than other combinations I tried.

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Originally Posted by Jobbing View Post

Used Musical Fidelity M1 DAC wink.gif

Not sure where I could find one in that price range. What about the Cambridge audio magicdac plus? I'd love an irdac but sadly way out of my budget
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