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post #7531 of 10477
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Originally Posted by derbigpr View Post
 

 

 

I have a Musical Fidelity M1DAC and M1HPAP which are both excellent DAC and amp in the 1000 dollar price category according to all the reviews and experiences of people using them, and even match the sound signature of the T1's perfectly, and I still don't hear a "massive" difference between HD650's and T1's. It comes down to a sound signature difference much more than the actual sound quality difference. It's not like taking HD650's off and putting T1's makes me go wow, there is a difference, but nothing major, and there's nothing missing from the HD650's (and therefore HD600's) that would in any way degrade the listening experience, it's just a small step below. Like going from a 50 inch TV to a 42 inch TV, yes, it's slightly smaller at first, but after 5 minutes you get used to it again and you can watch a movie just as well as you did on the 50 inch one, ultimately having the same experience. Some people make you think that upgrading to x thousand dollar headphone amp and DAC will be like going from that 42 inch TV to an iMax 3D movie theater, which is just not true. I'm just being realistic here.  I don't really see how people hear massive differences between these headphones, because I never did. I've heard both of them out of some other really respectable amps like the Lehmann BCL or Beyerdynamic A1, and still the T1's sound just like T1's, they don't magically change when used with a slightly better amp. All the changes are really minor and we're really talking about the evolution of the sound rather than revolution.  I'm not saying HD650's are as good as T1's, or that T1's don't improve with better gear, but I think it's really important not to over-exaggerate when it comes to gear upgrades,  because that really makes inexperienced people spends tons of money on something that's going to only marginally improve their listening experience. That's why I say he should definitely not buy anything without trying it out first, because I know from my experience of owning the same gear as he does, plus much more expensive stuff, that the much more expensive stuff makes nowhere near as much difference as he hopes it will, or as some people suggest it will. Also, I really think people should not suggest someone to change their current setup with something else, if they haven't personally tried the setup that he currently has. Just my opinion. I wish someone had told me what I'm telling him now, might have saved me a couple of grands, instead I believed all the suggestions and hypes, and every single time, without exception, ended up with a sour face after discovering that what I've just payed 1000 dollars for (for example Musical Fidelity M1DAC) is barely distinguishable from something that costs 200 dollars (Asus Essence ST in this case). 

 

To be honest six month ago I would have been one of those who agreed fully with you. But after using both HD650 and T1 with the BH Crack and then embarking on the Cracks well know upgrade path. It didn't take long for the capabilities of the HD650 to reach a point where further noticeable improvement came to a end However the T1's on the other hand came alive with the modifications dynamics resolution timbre tone all improved. Total including the Crack around $600 including some decent tubes. Now there is no comparison going back to the HD650's they feel quiet linear.  Details that the HD650 might only just hint at are on the T1 are well defined and will have further details and nuances of tone and timbre in their own right.

 

With regard to the dac I would expect your actually limited by your amplifiers ability especially if your running something with a wire wound standard pot and electrolytic output capacitors they can act as a bottleneck and it just wont matter how expensive or good the dac is you put in front.

post #7532 of 10477

....and that innocent looking USB cable.  :P

 

 

i feel so terrible about derbigpr's experience..

but his pocket should be happy. 

post #7533 of 10477

I'll try and find a store in Calgary to check out some amps and hear it firsthand, otherwise I might have to just jump in blind. I know I noticed a huge difference going from a home theater receiver to the Xonar STX with the HD600's. I am just worried I won't notice any difference, because so far I would equate it to the difference between a 23" monitor and a 24" monitor. It's there and I can tell, but after listening for a while you forget. I don't need 42" TV to IMAX 3D difference, but it needs to be at least 42" to 60" TV difference.

post #7534 of 10477
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Originally Posted by derbigpr View Post


I have a Musical Fidelity M1DAC and M1HPAP which are both excellent DAC and amp in the 1000 dollar price category according to all the reviews and experiences of people using them, and even match the sound signature of the T1's perfectly, and I still don't hear a "massive" difference between HD650's and T1's. It comes down to a sound signature difference much more than the actual sound quality difference. It's not like taking HD650's off and putting T1's makes me go wow, there is a difference, but nothing major, and there's nothing missing from the HD650's (and therefore HD600's) that would in any way degrade the listening experience, it's just a small step below. Like going from a 50 inch TV to a 42 inch TV, yes, it's slightly smaller at first, but after 5 minutes you get used to it again and you can watch a movie just as well as you did on the 50 inch one, ultimately having the same experience. Some people make you think that upgrading to x thousand dollar headphone amp and DAC will be like going from that 42 inch TV to an iMax 3D movie theater, which is just not true. I'm just being realistic here.  I don't really see how people hear massive differences between these headphones, because I never did. I've heard both of them out of some other really respectable amps like the Lehmann BCL or Beyerdynamic A1, and still the T1's sound just like T1's, they don't magically change when used with a slightly better amp. All the changes are really minor and we're really talking about the evolution of the sound rather than revolution.  I'm not saying HD650's are as good as T1's, or that T1's don't improve with better gear, but I think it's really important not to over-exaggerate when it comes to gear upgrades,  because that really makes inexperienced people spends tons of money on something that's going to only marginally improve their listening experience. That's why I say he should definitely not buy anything without trying it out first, because I know from my experience of owning the same gear as he does, plus much more expensive stuff, that the much more expensive stuff makes nowhere near as much difference as he hopes it will, or as some people suggest it will. Also, I really think people should not suggest someone to change their current setup with something else, if they haven't personally tried the setup that he currently has. Just my opinion. I wish someone had told me what I'm telling him now, might have saved me a couple of grands, instead I believed all the suggestions and hypes, and every single time, without exception, ended up with a sour face after discovering that what I've just payed 1000 dollars for (for example Musical Fidelity M1DAC) is barely distinguishable from something that costs 200 dollars (Asus Essence ST in this case). 

I agree that sometimes upgrade testimonies are exaggerated when in reality they yield marginal improvements. That mileage varies to some. I have both been disappointed and thrilled in my years of upgrading. That said, for any given set up, I find the difference between HD650 and T1 to be very significant (and I'm trying not to use the term 'dramatic') especially with regards to clarity and definition.
Edited by vlach - 5/26/14 at 10:53am
post #7535 of 10477

I have both the HD-650s and the T1s. 

 

They dont sound the same. 

 

I have trouble hearing differences between source gear and amps, so much so I almost convinced that dacs/amps don't matter ( for my ears any way)  as long as you have enough power.  With that said I clearly dont have the audiophile ear but I most certianly can tell the difference between the HD-650s and the T1s.

 

The only reason you might like the HD-650s better is because of tonal balance, other wise the T1s are just better in pretty much every way.  

post #7536 of 10477

Just thought I'd mention we are living in wonderful times.

 

Amazon sells the last stock of the matching A1 at $650: http://www.amazon.com/Beyerdynamic-Audiophile-High-Definition-Headphone-Charcoal-Grey/dp/B00BLWCIGA/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1401255871&sr=8-9&keywords=beyerdynamic+a1

 

Crazy stuff! You can get the T1/A1 stack for pretty much the list price of the T1. I know the A1 is phased out in favor of the A2, and the price drops on the T1 probably means that there's a T2 coming, but I gotta say this is a great deal.

 

I use this stack every day with a NAD D1050 DAC, and it's simply fantastic if you are a solid state sound fan.

post #7537 of 10477
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Originally Posted by dduck View Post

 

the price drops on the T1 probably means that there's a T2 coming,

 

 

Is this confirmed?

post #7538 of 10477
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Originally Posted by 62ohm View Post

 

Is this confirmed?

 

No, not that I know of. Of course there will be a successor at some time and the T1 is the oldest model in their Tesla setup, but nothing was announced so far.

post #7539 of 10477

It would be sort of weird if Beyer release a successor for the T1 within 5 years of its release as the T1 itself is actually younger than HD800..

post #7540 of 10477

... and still holds up well. Yes, I would not hold my breath for a successor coming soon.

post #7541 of 10477

I just joined the club today, my T-1 arrived and I can't stop listening to every cd I can get my hands on. I am not a reviewer or even a particularly good writer, all I can say is I have listened to a LOT of headphones in my life and I own quite a few of the ones I liked at lot (HD650, HD600, and more) and these are the best headphones I have ever heard and the most comfortable to wear too. I only wish I had gotten these a LONG time ago.

post #7542 of 10477

Hi guys wanted to ask the thread about an issue with my T1 that's been bothering me. 

The seal of the left outer earcup of my T1 is slightly but noticeably apart. 

 

 

The right cup on the other hand has a nice seal

 

I'm not sure if the photos do it justice, it is very noticeable when I run my fingers over the cups. Right side it's smooth, but my fingers catch the imperfect seal of the left. I've tried to press on them to see if them will 'pop' into place, but the issue cannot be remedied. Also I am afraid that I may damage the headphones.

 

I bought these cans new, and I have not tried to take them apart. Is this a manufacturing issue? I've tried to ignore it, but has been niggling at me, and left me with a bitter taste.:(

 

If anyone can shed any light or advise I would be most grateful.

 

Many thanks


Edited by SunTanScanMan - 5/29/14 at 3:15am
post #7543 of 10477

No seam on either cups of mine... If these are bought new then you should be able to ask for warranty refund or replacement right? 

post #7544 of 10477

The cups are trying to get more AIR :P

 

ya....send it back .

post #7545 of 10477

Got a AGD Master 9 today, drives the T1 with finesse & authority, good sound stage n bass & highs are extended n silky smooth. Gentlemen I think we may have a winner :L3000:. Will update how it goes.

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