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post #7396 of 7966

Interesting, I was just coming in to post after demoing some T1s. I'm glad you've found something that suits you and look forward to further impressions.

 

 

I just spend a few days visiting family away from home and got a chance to hear a demo T1. I'm really really considering picking one up to start with. I've got a HE500, HE400, HD600 and Mad Dog currently, but the T1 really really floored me with a number of my music choices. I have a number of "neo-folk", classical, soundtrack, ambient/electronic, field recordings, acoustic, blues and more recordings and the T1 are the best I've heard with many of what I tried out. I still prefer my other headphones for some types of music I listen to... but by god my trigger hand is trebling over a checkout option right now :D

 

The soundstage is amazing, even better the the HD600 - I truly wonder how big the stage of the HD800 must be! Eitherway I haven't heard the treble spike as anything bad at all, I don't listen loud much unless I'm listening to rock music - so it did not bother me in the demo.

 

Anyway, in a while I might be coming back a new T1 owner... god dammit :L3000: 

post #7397 of 7966
I'm curious if the Fiio e18 or the Bravo Audio Ocean are decent enough for the T1's? The one thing I didn't check out while I was listening to the T1's was to plug them into my Note3 directly to see how they responded.
post #7398 of 7966
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Originally Posted by MrFaust View Post
 

*** WARNING*** kind of long winded intro...

 

So I've been out of the headphone scene for about 5-6 years now.  I found this place back in 2005 I think it was. I spent countless hours reading thousands of posts. Like most people that make their way here, we read the experiences of others with various pieces of audio equipment, both the inexpensive and almost unattainable. I too got caught up in the "sampling" effect that makes it way though all of us until we find that "just right" setup for whatever occasion or location, be it portable, trans-portable, the office, the home or even something more. Myself, I generally had to lean towards those things that were not so expensive. It wasn't that I was on a budget or anything, but it was a matter of justifying the expense of a purchase. This mindset has been with me most of my life. But even with that, those of us that do fringe collecting, tend to find a way to get "The Best" we can. 

 

When I left this place 5-6 years ago, I had tried 30-40 different headphones that I have never heard of before joining this place. I got to experience a wide range of cheap to relatively pricey amps, dacs and sources. In the end, I left this place owning a pair of Denon AH-D2000, a pair of AKG 701's and pair of Grado RS2's (thanks Dad!) as well as a MisterX XP amp and AlienDAC (damn I miss that set) and a Darkvoice 336 tube amp (again, Thanks Dad!) along with bunches of custom cables and such from RnB Audio and A Pure Sound (Thanks Alex!) and various sources. But then I got married and we had a kid immediately. My wife ended up staying home with our new born for the first year and without her income, things got tight. Sacrifices had to be made, so... I sold everything. 

 

Fast forward to today. Now, some of our smart phones seem to be pretty decent sources, like the phone listed in my signature. Who would have thunk your phone would be capable of playing 24bit 192kHz flac files naively 6 years ago? So with the acquisition of this phone and a bonus check from work, I decided it was time to check into some decent headphones. I had been using a set of Klipsch S4i's from my iPhone days. They still work fine, but I remember how some of my old headphones use to sound. I wanted to get some of that back. So I lucked out and got a set of Ultimate Ears UE900s for a pretty decent price on ebay. They arrived and I think this would be it. NOPE. While these iems sounded good, when I could get a good seal, they didn't have that punch or WOW factor that I would have figured to have been present in something like these. The worst part of it was fighting to get a good position and seal at the same time, without causing pain from shoving the damn things in my ear canals. After 4 days I have decided these just are not for me. So I'll be posting them soon.

 

*** Now for the relevant part ***

Today at lunch, I went to a local (Dallas) high-end audio shop called Audio Concepts (Preston and Forrest Lane) to check out the much raved about Grado PS500's. I got there and was greeted by the sale associate and explained to him that I was there to check out some of the headphones, mostly the Grados. We went to their headphone room where they had about 15 pairs of various headphones laid out to sample. They had an iMac with iTunes on it, loaded up with tons of lossless albums to choose from. This iMac was lined out to several usb dacs. So I start at the bottom of line Grados and work my way up to the PS500's. Man did they sound awesome. I was seriously considering paying $600 for them right then and there. But I wanted to check out as much as I could before jumping on a purchase like that. So then I look over and there on the other side of table was a pair of Sennheiser HD800's. So I just had to know what these $1800 headphones sounded like... Now I have never been partial to Sennheiser. I was always a Grado fanboy. But I did like the HD600 and HD650 back in the day. Just not enough to buy them. The HD800's... I didn't like at all. I was completely underwhelmed. And around this time, the sale associate made his way back in and asked what I thought about them. I told him that I just didn't care for them. They were really just too tame for me. So he told me to try the Beyerdynamic T1's and that these were his favorite set of headphones period. Yeah ok, I understand you are trying to sell me on one of the two highest priced sets of headphones you have. But ok, I'll give it a shot. So I turned to the iMac, found the Led Zeppelin collection in iTunes. I plugged the T1's into one of the usb dacs (I wished I took more time to found out which one it was, but it was not the Rega). I double click on Ten Years Gone...

 

WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW! I remember that I literally said, "Oh my ******* god!" outloud, the sales associate and the manager just happened to be standing outside the room and I saw them both chuckling after I said it. It was like I was listening to heaven. I haven't had a wow factor happen like that since the first time I heard a pair of AKG 701's hooked up to a Darkvoice 336 right when it came out. I was floored. I just closed my eyes and listened to the remaining bit of the song. I quickly jumped to Pink Floyd - DSOTM and then to some AC/DC and then Daft Punk, and I don't remember what else. It was then that the sale associate came to me and appologized for having to do this, but there were other customers that would like to sample the headphones. I didn't have to leave, they could grab another set of which ever headphones I wanted to spend more time with and some cds and set me up in one of their private demo rooms. I was welcome to listen as long as I wanted, even until the store closed if need be. I explained that I had heard enough at this point because now my day was ruined!

 

I had come here expecting to fall in love with the PS500's and to leave with them. Instead I found the T1's and wanted nothing more, but there was no way I could leave with a pair today. This store was asking $1400 for the T1's. I can't justify spending that much right now. But I've since found them elsewhere for almost half that price. Now I have something to look forward to enjoying. But the waiting part is gonna suck! 

 

Sorry for the long story, I just wanted to share my experience with these wonderful headphones today.

 

PS, I apologized to the sales guy and the manager for cussing like that. They both smiled and said that same thing happens more often than you would think when someone tries those headphones for the first time.

 

MrFaust nice to read about your experience. If you are a bit patient you will get a used T1 in the F/ST forum for about $700-800. Also with what amp did you try the HD 800? From your post I think it was the HP out of a DAC. The HD 800 is not as easy to match as the T1 with an amp. But when you find that match it is slightly better than the T1 in all respects IMHO. Finding system synergy is more of a journey / effort with the HD 800 than with the T1.

post #7399 of 7966
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Originally Posted by punit View Post
  Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
 

MrFaust nice to read about your experience. If you are a bit patient you will get a used T1 in the F/ST forum for about $700-800. Also with what amp did you try the HD 800? From your post I think it was the HP out of a DAC. The HD 800 is not as easy to match as the T1 with an amp. But when you find that match it is slightly better than the T1 in all respects IMHO. Finding system synergy is more of a journey / effort with the HD 800 than with the T1.

I own both the T1 and the HD800. I believe your statement is largely true but I would point out that the T1 also scales with better equipment. The difference being that the HD800 can sound downright bad with the wrong equipment but the T1 will still sound fairly good with a modest setup. That is why the T1 has earned a reputation for being more forgiving. I would say in my experience that the T1 can scale quite high with top end equipment. If you run the T1 balanced through high end equipment I would not claim it is better than my HD800, but different in many respects and competitive. Both properly driven with very good equipment are deserving of their flagship ranking imo. The T1 responds very well to high end amps with power to spare.  I am driving mine balanced with an Auralic Taurus and I enjoy it just as much as my HD800's. They simply represent two different presentations with the house sound of their respective manufacturers. Just as an aside, I am listening to some classical music with my T1's as I write this and the sound is very beautiful.

post #7400 of 7966

I agree with your assessment of T1, that's why I invested some more money in them & have sent for a cable mod , so that I can drive them balanced.

post #7401 of 7966
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Originally Posted by punit View Post
 

I agree with your assessment of T1, that's why I invested some more money in them & have sent for a cable mod , so that I can drive them balanced.

You will find that driving the T1's balanced makes a BIG difference. Enjoy!

post #7402 of 7966
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Originally Posted by Chodi View Post

You will find that driving the T1's balanced makes a BIG difference. Enjoy!

+1

Feed them extra power and you'll be blown away. smily_headphones1.gif
post #7403 of 7966
Quote:
Originally Posted by punit View Post

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrFaust View Post

 
*** WARNING*** kind of long winded intro...

So I've been out of the headphone scene for about 5-6 years now.  I found this place back in 2005 I think it was. I spent countless hours reading thousands of posts. Like most people that make their way here, we read the experiences of others with various pieces of audio equipment, both the inexpensive and almost unattainable. I too got caught up in the "sampling" effect that makes it way though all of us until we find that "just right" setup for whatever occasion or location, be it portable, trans-portable, the office, the home or even something more. Myself, I generally had to lean towards those things that were not so expensive. It wasn't that I was on a budget or anything, but it was a matter of justifying the expense of a purchase. This mindset has been with me most of my life. But even with that, those of us that do fringe collecting, tend to find a way to get "The Best" we can. 

When I left this place 5-6 years ago, I had tried 30-40 different headphones that I have never heard of before joining this place. I got to experience a wide range of cheap to relatively pricey amps, dacs and sources. In the end, I left this place owning a pair of Denon AH-D2000, a pair of AKG 701's and pair of Grado RS2's (thanks Dad!) as well as a MisterX XP amp and AlienDAC (damn I miss that set) and a Darkvoice 336 tube amp (again, Thanks Dad!) along with bunches of custom cables and such from RnB Audio and A Pure Sound (Thanks Alex!) and various sources. But then I got married and we had a kid immediately. My wife ended up staying home with our new born for the first year and without her income, things got tight. Sacrifices had to be made, so... I sold everything. 

Fast forward to today. Now, some of our smart phones seem to be pretty decent sources, like the phone listed in my signature. Who would have thunk your phone would be capable of playing 24bit 192kHz flac files naively 6 years ago? So with the acquisition of this phone and a bonus check from work, I decided it was time to check into some decent headphones. I had been using a set of Klipsch S4i's from my iPhone days. They still work fine, but I remember how some of my old headphones use to sound. I wanted to get some of that back. So I lucked out and got a set of Ultimate Ears UE900s for a pretty decent price on ebay. They arrived and I think this would be it. NOPE. While these iems sounded good, when I could get a good seal, they didn't have that punch or WOW factor that I would have figured to have been present in something like these. The worst part of it was fighting to get a good position and seal at the same time, without causing pain from shoving the damn things in my ear canals. After 4 days I have decided these just are not for me. So I'll be posting them soon.

*** Now for the relevant part ***
Today at lunch, I went to a local (Dallas) high-end audio shop called Audio Concepts (Preston and Forrest Lane) to check out the much raved about Grado PS500's. I got there and was greeted by the sale associate and explained to him that I was there to check out some of the headphones, mostly the Grados. We went to their headphone room where they had about 15 pairs of various headphones laid out to sample. They had an iMac with iTunes on it, loaded up with tons of lossless albums to choose from. This iMac was lined out to several usb dacs. So I start at the bottom of line Grados and work my way up to the PS500's. Man did they sound awesome. I was seriously considering paying $600 for them right then and there. But I wanted to check out as much as I could before jumping on a purchase like that. So then I look over and there on the other side of table was a pair of Sennheiser HD800's. So I just had to know what these $1800 headphones sounded like... Now I have never been partial to Sennheiser. I was always a Grado fanboy. But I did like the HD600 and HD650 back in the day. Just not enough to buy them. The HD800's... I didn't like at all. I was completely underwhelmed. And around this time, the sale associate made his way back in and asked what I thought about them. I told him that I just didn't care for them. They were really just too tame for me. So he told me to try the Beyerdynamic T1's and that these were his favorite set of headphones period. Yeah ok, I understand you are trying to sell me on one of the two highest priced sets of headphones you have. But ok, I'll give it a shot. So I turned to the iMac, found the Led Zeppelin collection in iTunes. I plugged the T1's into one of the usb dacs (I wished I took more time to found out which one it was, but it was not the Rega). I double click on Ten Years Gone...

WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW! I remember that I literally said, "Oh my ******* god!" outloud, the sales associate and the manager just happened to be standing outside the room and I saw them both chuckling after I said it. It was like I was listening to heaven. I haven't had a wow factor happen like that since the first time I heard a pair of AKG 701's hooked up to a Darkvoice 336 right when it came out. I was floored. I just closed my eyes and listened to the remaining bit of the song. I quickly jumped to Pink Floyd - DSOTM and then to some AC/DC and then Daft Punk, and I don't remember what else. It was then that the sale associate came to me and appologized for having to do this, but there were other customers that would like to sample the headphones. I didn't have to leave, they could grab another set of which ever headphones I wanted to spend more time with and some cds and set me up in one of their private demo rooms. I was welcome to listen as long as I wanted, even until the store closed if need be. I explained that I had heard enough at this point because now my day was ruined!

I had come here expecting to fall in love with the PS500's and to leave with them. Instead I found the T1's and wanted nothing more, but there was no way I could leave with a pair today. This store was asking $1400 for the T1's. I can't justify spending that much right now. But I've since found them elsewhere for almost half that price. Now I have something to look forward to enjoying. But the waiting part is gonna suck! 

Sorry for the long story, I just wanted to share my experience with these wonderful headphones today.

PS, I apologized to the sales guy and the manager for cussing like that. They both smiled and said that same thing happens more often than you would think when someone tries those headphones for the first time.
MrFaust nice to read about your experience. If you are a bit patient you will get a used T1 in the F/ST forum for about $700-800. Also with what amp did you try the HD 800? From your post I think it was the HP out of a DAC. The HD 800 is not as easy to match as the T1 with an amp. But when you find that match it is slightly better than the T1 in all respects IMHO. Finding system synergy is more of a journey / effort with the HD 800 than with the T1.

I can be patient when it is something I really want. My other fringe collecting habit is comicbooks. It took me 25 years but I finally got myself a copy of Amazing Spider Man 129. I'm sure someone around here knows the significance of that book. And it wasn't that I didn't have the opportunity to get this book in the past or even have enough money to get it. But it had to be the right copy at the right price at the right time. I'm more than sure that the same will happen with these T1's. Same goes for the Grado PS500's. Until then I will enjoy the pair of SR225's I'm buying to tied me over.

I plan to make another trip back to the shop and to spend more time checking out the T1's, PS500'S and HD800's as well as fining out more about the amps and dacs they have set up and see if I can't wake up those HD800's. I'm pretty positive they have some kind of setup that will do the job. I will report back once that happens.
post #7404 of 7966
Thought I would share a cheap mod for the T1s.

Move the headphones backwards on your head so that the drivers are closer to your ears. Result? For me, increased clarity.
post #7405 of 7966

 

 

 

 

 

After listening to some of the finest headphones on the market the T1 stood apart.

I'm not an audiophile. To me these were clearly better than all the other cans.

If you own these you made a wise choice.

I'll grab a set someday when I settle down.

post #7406 of 7966

Seems like a clear thing: heaven *does* exist, your photos prove that ;-)

post #7407 of 7966
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Originally Posted by plakat View Post
 

Seems like a clear thing: heaven *does* exist, your photos prove that ;-)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My photo bombing is done:D

 

Japan is a nice place for Audiophiles AND Bassheads.

 

the T1 which in honesty I am not a fan of Beyer just jumped out at me at the high end station. Gorgeous sound.

post #7408 of 7966

Hi All,

Anyone ever mod a T1 so that it can use the Audeze cable instead (detachable, balance and unbalanced) ?

Will if effect the overall sound quality of the T1 ?

 

I just bought a used T1, have a lot of Audeze cable (both standard and aftermarket) and wonder what if I can mod the T1 so that it can share my Audeze cable.

 

Any advice will be highly appreciated.

Thanks.

post #7409 of 7966
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Originally Posted by AnakBaru View Post

Hi All,
Anyone ever mod a T1 so that it can use the Audeze cable instead (detachable, balance and unbalanced) ?
Will if effect the overall sound quality of the T1 ?

I just bought a used T1, have a lot of Audeze cable (both standard and aftermarket) and wonder what if I can mod the T1 so that it can share my Audeze cable.

Any advice will be highly appreciated.
Thanks.

Mine came ready modded. And before I bought it, I had extensive demoing between the modded and stock T1: no degradation of sound that I could tell. Hope that helps.
post #7410 of 7966
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Originally Posted by Kiats View Post

Mine came ready modded. And before I bought it, I had extensive demoing between the modded and stock T1: no degradation of sound that I could tell. Hope that helps.

Can you share the picture of it Kiat so that I know how to talk to my local modder.
Thanks
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