Head-Fi.org › Forums › Summit-Fi (High-End Audio) › High-end Audio Forum › The Official Beyerdynamic T1 Impressions and Discussion Thread
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

The Official Beyerdynamic T1 Impressions and Discussion Thread - Page 468

post #7006 of 8378
Quote:
Originally Posted by RazorJack View Post
 

As much as I love my T1, I think ag8908 raised a very good point. I don't think anyone can deny that of all flagship headphones, the T1 is offered at insane discount prices far more frequently than the rest. I too wonder why.

I bet they cost under $200 to make.  They are just molded plastic and stamped sheet aluminum with a basic quick leather wrap and a few feet of wire. The magnet is probably the most expensive part and I bet it cost them around $50 or less and that is just because it is custom made for them in low quantity.  They even leverage the process with their other headphones like the T5p which use mostly everything the same.  Different voice coil of course.

 

Guessing $50 for the motors, $25 for the diaphragms and windings, $25 for the leather, $25 for the stamped aluminum and cups, $25 for the metal box, $10 for the cable assembly and the rest in assembly and testing..

post #7007 of 8378
Quote:
Originally Posted by groovyd View Post
 

I bet they cost under $200 to make.  They are just molded plastic and stamped sheet aluminum with a basic quick leather wrap and a few feet of wire. The magnet is probably the most expensive part and I bet it cost them around $50 or less and that is just because it is custom made for them in low quantity.  They even leverage the process with their other headphones like the T5p which use mostly everything the same.  Different voice coil of course.

 

Guessing $50 for the motors, $25 for the diaphragms and windings, $25 for the leather, $25 for the stamped aluminum and cups, $25 for the metal box, $10 for the cable assembly and the rest in assembly and testing..

Plus overhead including: engineering, marketing, accounting, finance, management, procurement, IT, sales, distribution and finally customer service.  Just to mention a few of the costs associated with the cost of producing, distributing and selling a "$200" headphone. 

post #7008 of 8378
Quote:
Originally Posted by magiccabbage View Post
 

people really need to stop saying  things like - T1's have better build quality than HD800. I'm sorry but that is just ********. I have both headphones and although at first the T1's look they they have better build materials and might last longer I just don't think that is true. The Beyer logo fades after a few months and the leather binding around the headband comes apart. Also the headband is easily bended and can actually break a lot easier than the HD800. Just because it is made primarily with metal does not mean that it will last longer. 

 

My HD800's don't have any scratches or marks anywhere. 

 

I've used my T1 pretty much daily since becoming an owner in December 2011, and the logo on mine hasn't faded and the headband is still firmly attached and everything is like it should be. Not sure if yours is legit or if your handling it correctly but something has definitely gone wrong there. As for the headband being more easily bent and breakable, that's possible, but if I wanted to I could probably break a HD800 too. They're designed to put on your head, not to see which one breaks easier.

post #7009 of 8378

The one concern I have about the HD800's build quality is that thin aluminum foil type thing on the outside, encircling the drivers. I always find myself touching that accidentally and I know I'll eventually tear it. I'm guessing senn had a scientific reason for putting that there but it seems fragile.

post #7010 of 8378
Quote:
Originally Posted by Buddhahacker View Post
 

Plus overhead including: engineering, marketing, accounting, finance, management, procurement, IT, sales, distribution and finally customer service.  Just to mention a few of the costs associated with the cost of producing, distributing and selling a "$200" headphone. 

Those costs are very low diluted across any true commercial product.  Under 5% assuming significant distribution like the T1 has say another $10 each. Remember these aren't the only headphones those engineers and marketers and distributors are handling.


Edited by groovyd - 3/1/14 at 7:19pm
post #7011 of 8378
Quote:
Originally Posted by RazorJack View Post
 

 

I've used my T1 pretty much daily since becoming an owner in December 2011, and the logo on mine hasn't faded and the headband is still firmly attached and everything is like it should be. Not sure if yours is legit or if your handling it correctly but something has definitely gone wrong there. As for the headband being more easily bent and breakable, that's possible, but if I wanted to I could probably break a HD800 too. They're designed to put on your head, not to see which one breaks easier.

I have never ever left either of my headphones on a hard surface. They go from the case to my head and back to the case again. I handle them very carefully. I have no idea how the logo fades or the leather comes apart by just putting them on your head but it happens. Other people have reported the same thing with the T1's. The print should not come away just by your finger's occasionally touching it. The leather also should stay intact at least for a few years. 

 

I am getting them repaired soon, the leather is really annoying me. As for them being legit - has there ever been fake T1? Who would go through the trouble? 

post #7012 of 8378

None of my headphones are dinged up at all - I dont baby them and I put them down on surfaces regularly. I put the on stands but they are all so close that we have cable hell.

post #7013 of 8378
Quote:
Originally Posted by magiccabbage View Post
 

people really need to stop saying  things like - T1's have better build quality than HD800. I'm sorry but that is just ********. I have both headphones and although at first the T1's look they they have better build materials and might last longer I just don't think that is true. The Beyer logo fades after a few months and the leather binding around the headband comes apart. Also the headband is easily bended and can actually break a lot easier than the HD800. Just because it is made primarily with metal does not mean that it will last longer. 

 

My HD800's don't have any scratches or marks anywhere. 

 

The distinction you are making is between build quality and build materials, a distinction I point out from time to time also. Just having better materials does nothing whatsoever to ensure better build quality and durability, it does give a reassuring sense of that, but doesn't assure that whatsoever.

post #7014 of 8378

If you recall Beyer actually raised their price on the T1 after introduction to be more directly competitive with the HD800. This was more of a marketing statement than anything else. At the time the T1's were getting good press and they wanted to take advantage. I don't think the retail price has much to do with the actual cost of materials or cost of manufacturing. Anyone see the video on youtube of a Beyer employee actually making one of these headphones? The lady in the video obviously knows what she is doing but it is hardly more than a mom and pop type operation. It also points to just how small the Beyer facility really is as the reception can be seen from the desk of the lady who is assembling headphones. Somehow I picture Sennheiser as being a much bigger operation (I could be wrong). If you watch the video it is not exactly the fine old world craftsmanship I had pictured.To be fair in the video I saw I believe she was making the DT880 not the T1.

 

Sorry but I just looked and I could not easily find a link to the video. I saw that video many months ago when someone on the forum had posted a link. Could even be buried in this thread.

post #7015 of 8378

It sounds like you're talking about this video.

 

post #7016 of 8378

Yes that's the one. Thanks for posting it I looked but couldn't find it. I think the video speaks for itself. I remind you that I own the T1's so this is not an attempt to flame them.

post #7017 of 8378
Quote:
Originally Posted by magiccabbage View Post
 

people really need to stop saying  things like - T1's have better build quality than HD800. I'm sorry but that is just ********. I have both headphones and although at first the T1's look they they have better build materials and might last longer I just don't think that is true. The Beyer logo fades after a few months and the leather binding around the headband comes apart. Also the headband is easily bended and can actually break a lot easier than the HD800. Just because it is made primarily with metal does not mean that it will last longer. 

 

My HD800's don't have any scratches or marks anywhere. 

 

I have an earlier T1(#2043) and have had no problems and it looks almost new 3 years on.

 

"The Beyer logo fades after a few months" lol...

 

"leather binding around the headband comes apart" not on mine....

 

"the headband is easily bended and can actually break" not o mine....

 

"My HD800's don't have any scratches or marks anywhere." Niether do my T1s.....

post #7018 of 8378
Quote:
Originally Posted by perhapss View Post
 

 

I have an earlier T1(#2043) and have had no problems and it looks almost new 3 years on.

 

"The Beyer logo fades after a few months" lol...

 

"leather binding around the headband comes apart" not on mine....

 

"the headband is easily bended and can actually break" not o mine....

 

"My HD800's don't have any scratches or marks anywhere." Niether do my T1s.....

you were lucky then - the logo fades on a lot of them. 

post #7019 of 8378
Quote:
Originally Posted by magiccabbage View Post
 

you were lucky then - the logo fades on a lot of them. 

 

Maybe you've misinterpreted me...

Even if the logo fades I think that is no indication of build quality.

 

You raised several point s that called into question the build quality of the T1.

 

Do you really believe the T1 is poorly constructed?

post #7020 of 8378
Quote:
Originally Posted by perhapss View Post
 

 

Maybe you've misinterpreted me...

Even if the logo fades I think that is no indication of build quality.

 

You raised several point s that called into question the build quality of the T1.

 

Do you really believe the T1 is poorly constructed?

 

And my logo hasn't faded.

New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: High-end Audio Forum
Head-Fi.org › Forums › Summit-Fi (High-End Audio) › High-end Audio Forum › The Official Beyerdynamic T1 Impressions and Discussion Thread