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post #6916 of 8377
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Originally Posted by Loquah View Post
 

 

I should have mentioned the X-Sabre from Matrix earlier when this discussion came up. I haven't heard it side-by-side with the M51, but my impression having listened to both is that the M51 may be slightly warmer sounding. The X-Sabre is musical, but very clean and smooth. It can sound harsh if a recording is harsh, but to me that's how it should be - I don't want stuff too smoothed out. It's a really nice compliment with my various tube and SS amps combined with the T1s. Soundstage is excellent as is detail retrieval.

 

I can't thank you enough for your help, Loquah. I will add the X-Sabre to my list of DACs to check out!

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I just wrote Beyerdynamic a letter demanding to know why they have so little respect for their loyal customers who paid $1,400 for a T1, that they are allowing their authorized retailer (Beach Camera i.e. Buydig) to sell them at 99 cent store prices. If I don't get a satisfactory response I'm returning my T1s as soon as they arrive.

 

What a low rent "buy our crap off the back of this truck" company.

 

If anyone else wants to send a letter, you can do so here. http://north-america.beyerdynamic.com/contact.html

 

If the headphone is so cheaply made that it can be sold for $750 (including free overnight shipping), then nobody should be paying $1,400 for it. I guaranty Sennheiser would never allow anyone to sell a new HD800 for less than $1,500, and if they caught you trying to do so they would not honor the warranty. I spoke with them about this after seeing an HD800 on sale from a store in China; they told me there is a good chance it's fake and that if I buy it I'm not getting warranty service. Sennheiser has a whole website devoted to listing all the retailers whose warranties they don't honor. But here Beyerdynamic is letting an authorized retailer crap all over everyone who loyally paid full price, thinking they were getting something worth $1,400.


Edited by ag8908 - 2/28/14 at 5:23pm
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^ while I feed bad paying the full retail price when it can be had for a fraction of the price from somewhere else because of a sale is not the fault of Beyerdynamic.

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Originally Posted by AxelCloris View Post
 

 

Nothing I have currently will really do the T1 justice, but my temporary amp will be the FiiO E12. I have both of the crowdfunded Light Harmonic Geek products coming this year and that's what will eventually be amping the T1, but until then I just have to make do with what I have.

 

At 16db gain, I bet the volume pot won't go past 12 o'clock :) 

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Originally Posted by headwhacker View Post
 

^ while I feed bad paying the full retail price when it can be had for a fraction of the price from somewhere else because of a sale is not the fault of Beyerdynamic.


It's not if it was by an unauthorized retailer.

 

But as I understand, Buydig = Beach Camera, and authorized retailer. A company should have respect and loyalty to its customers, especially the first adopters who took the risk of purchasing this when it came out for $1,400. And I found out this isn't the only time someone's done a rock bottom sale of T1s, apparently a few months ago another internet retailer did the same thing.

 

Another question is, what is this really worth? Did they invest a ton of R&D and precise engineering/manufacturing into this like Sennheiser does with the HD800, or did they just slap components together to get audophiles to pay $1,400 for something that's more like a $500 headphone?

 

All T1 reviews should tell potential buyers that there have been repeated rock bottom sales of this product, for about $750, so don't be a sucker because this item is clearly not worth $1,400.

 

 


Edited by ag8908 - 2/28/14 at 5:49pm
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Ok the question is do you like how it sound or not? If you are pissed because you bought it a full price regardless of the sound, I don't know what else to say. You better return it, because the way I see it you bought the T1 for status symbol and not for enjoying how it sound.

post #6922 of 8377
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Originally Posted by headwhacker View Post
 

Ok the question is do you like how it sound or not? If you are pissed because you bought it a full price regardless of the sound, I don't know what else to say. You better return it, because the way I see it you bought the T1 for status symbol and not for enjoying how it sound.

 

I like the sound of my SRH940s, but I don't want to pay $1,400 for them if they're really worth much less, as evidenced by fire sales the manufacturer has to have to reduce its bloated inventory once it's run out of suckers willing to pay $1,400.

 

It's just bad business.


Edited by ag8908 - 2/28/14 at 6:11pm
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Originally Posted by headwhacker View Post
 

Ok the question is do you like how it sound or not? If you are pissed because you bought it a full price regardless of the sound, I don't know what else to say. You better return it, because the way I see it you bought the T1 for status symbol and not for enjoying how it sound.

 

The two ideas aren't mutually exclusive.  You can love the sound and still want to get a good deal on the headphone. 

 

I still think the T1 is the best all around dynamic can I own; but when you see amazon selling them for like ~$900, some sales lower to like $750, and plenty of good used pairs on the FS forums here (some with nice re-cables, which is a plus since my stock cable crapped out and I wouldn't trust it) in that price range....there's no reason to pay $1400 imo.

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Originally Posted by barid View Post
 

 

The two ideas aren't mutually exclusive.  You can love the sound and still want to get a good deal on the headphone. 

 

I still think the T1 is the best all around dynamic can I own; but when you see amazon selling them for like ~$900, some sales lower to like $750, and plenty of good used pairs on the FS forums here (some with nice re-cables, which is a plus since my stock cable crapped out and I wouldn't trust it) in that price range....there's no reason to pay $1400 imo.

 

 

Who doesn't want to get T1 for around US750. If you can get it at that price go for it. But why would you "demand" an explanation from Beyerdynamic if it now sells lower than the original price? It definitely leaves a sour taste in your mouth if you got it at full price. They may have a lot of inventory they need to push out.

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Originally Posted by headwhacker View Post
 

 

 

Who doesn't want to get T1 for around US750. If you can get it at that price go for it. But why would you "demand" an explanation from Beyerdynamic if it now sells lower than the original price? It definitely leaves a sour taste in your mouth if you got it at full price. They may have a lot of inventory they need to push out.

 

The way proper businesses deal with that problem is to set the price at a level where the inventory will be sold; maybe that price is $899 for the T1. Another options is to cut production so that you can clear your production at $1,399. But in my opinion you shouldn't charge a bunch of your customers $1,399, and then do a chintzy fire sales to unload what's left for $750. That shows a complete lack of concern for those loyal people who paid $1,399.


Edited by ag8908 - 2/28/14 at 8:08pm
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Originally Posted by ag8908 View Post
 

 

The way proper businesses deal with that problem is to set the price at a level where the inventory will be sold; maybe that price is $899 for the T1. Another options is to cut production so that you can clear your production at $1,399. But in my opinion you shouldn't charge a bunch of your customers $1,399, and then do a chintzy fire sales to unload what's left for $750. That shows a complete lack of concern for those loyal people who paid $1,399.

 

Looking at different product markets is really interesting sometimes.  Audio gear seems to straddle the electronics/tech and luxury categories.  Solid luxury-type brands who trade on their name may do exactly what you mention above and reduce supply so demand reaches the price they set.  Where tech kind of does the opposite, push out as much as they can at MSRP then fire sale the rest as the next wave comes out (shortly after).

 

I guess doing one or the other may ultimately reflect how a brand is viewed in the long term.

 

//Also don't crucify me for my incoherent rambling.  I've had a few and its Friday:beerchug:

post #6927 of 8377
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Originally Posted by barid View Post
 

 

Looking at different product markets is really interesting sometimes.  Audio gear seems to straddle the electronics/tech and luxury categories.  Solid luxury-type brands who trade on their name may do exactly what you mention above and reduce supply so demand reaches the price they set.  Where tech kind of does the opposite, push out as much as they can at MSRP then fire sale the rest as the next wave comes out (shortly after).

 

I guess doing one or the other may ultimately reflect how a brand is viewed in the long term.

 

//Also don't crucify me for my incoherent rambling.  I've had a few and its Friday:beerchug:

 

For example, certain high end cologne companies will sell their old stock at a huge discount. but that's somewhat perishable so there's a benefit to buying it new (although as I understand chanel never does that, they take all of their unsold stock back). and that old stock is always on the market, so someone buying a new bottle never feels misled, because if they wanted to they could have purchased an old bottle. same for high-end fashion companies who sell their old lines at a huge discount, but again those are last season's and they aren't in the trade magazines anymore.

 

but there's no difference between the T1 purchased for $750 and the one purchased for $1,399.


Edited by ag8908 - 2/28/14 at 8:21pm
post #6928 of 8377
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Originally Posted by ag8908 View Post
 

 

The way proper businesses deal with that problem is to set the price at a level where the inventory will be sold; maybe that price is $899 for the T1. Another options is to cut production so that you can clear your production at $1,399. But in my opinion you shouldn't charge a bunch of your customers $1,399, and then do a chintzy fire sales to unload what's left for $750. That shows a complete lack of concern for those loyal people who paid $1,399.

 

Or just a mistake in their part projecting demand and inventory. I'm not defending Beyerdynamic but it's a common mistake a business do nowadays.

post #6929 of 8377
You don't really think it costs anywhere near $1400 to make a T1 do you? All Sennheisers are overpriced anyway, so don't respect them because they won't discount them. They are priced according to what people will pay..my guess is $300 tops to produce.
post #6930 of 8377

A headphone is worth what ever the end user is prepared to pay if you were happy to pay $1500 for your phones and have been enjoying how the they have been a worth while purchase. If you then see the same phones discounted 50% then this might alter your perspective, but still does not change the fact you where happy enough to shell out $1500 in the fist place and thought that the price represented some value to you for the performance. The issue seems more with your own justification of the purchase and not the stores or manufacturers pricing policy.  But it is frustrating when this sort of thing happens

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