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Originally Posted by Loquah View Post
 

 

As for your question about better setups, yes to the improved soundstage and reduced harshness (depending on the amp you choose). Not sure about the mids because I don't know the sound of the WA7's onboard amp.

 

WA2 certainly seems a popular choice, but I haven't heard it myself. Any of the Bottlehead amps are also a good option.

 Thanks Loquah for your advice. I'll have to read up abit more on the renowned Bottlehead amps, however, I'm terrible at any DIY electronics stuff so I may ultimately shy away from it. 

 

Also wondering if there are any DAC recommendations for the T1...

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Originally Posted by daveyston23 View Post

 

Also wondering if there are any DAC recommendations for the T1...

I don't think there's anything wrong with and ODAC (around 100$) so it's my recommendation. Gives you a quality source which you can then fine tune with the amp choice if you so wish:beerchug:

post #6873 of 7966
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Originally Posted by MoatsArt View Post

Do I need a new amp for mt T1s, or a complementary set of headphones?

Have put about 100 hours onto my T1s (Serial No. 15...) and am really enjoying the presentation of classical (baroque, renaissance etc), jazz and some rock.  However, I am finding the sound a little harsh for certain recordings (such as "Grace" by Jeff Buckley and certain tracks from "In Absentia" by Procupine Tree). 

At present I am running The T1s from a Meier Audio Corda Concerto fed by a Yulong D100 II with my iBasso DX100 as transport. 

How best do you think I should spend my hard earned to overcome this issue?

1. Get a nice tube amp, such as the WA2 or Bottlehead Mainline
2. Get a complementary set of cans (LCD 2.2 perhaps)
3. Go back to my Crack + T90 combo
4. Something else

I love the resolution and soundstage of the T1s, but am missing some bass presence (not extension) that I heard in my T90 combo. 

What do you think?  Have a remaining budget of about $1,200 this year for audio.

Cheers

Nathan
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Have put about 100 hours onto my T1s (Serial No. 15...) and am really enjoying the presentation of classical (baroque, renaissance etc), jazz and some rock.  However, I am finding the sound a little harsh for certain recordings (such as "Grace" by Jeff Buckley and certain tracks 

Try EQIng, i have been listening to spotify paid version which sounds especially crisp but a little dry in the middle. I just found out and downloaded a EQ that goes with their service called "equalify". It has some nice presets too. It tamed the harshness beautifully
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Thanks Lachlan and Rommy. Much appreciated.

The irony if my situation is that I owned the Corda Concerto and LCD 2.2 in 2011. My dissatisfaction with the LCD 2s for choral music began a long path of experimentation - Selling gear to fund gear in the pursuit of one set of cans to suit all genres.

I have been through many phones: HD650, T90, W3000ANV, HE 500, K702, DT250, AD900, W1000X et al.

If I knew then what I know now I would have just kept what I had and bought the T1s when funds allowed.

And what has been my greatest experience of recorded music? Listening to Mozart's requiem for the first time on a pair of El cheapo foam covered earbuds run out of a Walkman when I was 13 in 1988.

Note to self: Do not burden yourself with the expectation of perfection. You will fail to treasure the riches you already have.

If the search for audio perfection has robbed you of the joy of music, if the ears of your heart have been neglected in the pursuit of "more" or "better", you have lost your way.
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Originally Posted by MoatsArt View Post
 

Do I need a new amp for mt T1s, or a complementary set of headphones?

 

Have put about 100 hours onto my T1s (Serial No. 15...) and am really enjoying the presentation of classical (baroque, renaissance etc), jazz and some rock.  However, I am finding the sound a little harsh for certain recordings (such as "Grace" by Jeff Buckley and certain tracks from "In Absentia" by Procupine Tree). 

 

At present I am running The T1s from a Meier Audio Corda Concerto fed by a Yulong D100 II with my iBasso DX100 as transport. 

 

How best do you think I should spend my hard earned to overcome this issue?

 

1. Get a nice tube amp, such as the WA2 or Bottlehead Mainline

2. Get a complementary set of cans (LCD 2.2 perhaps)

3. Go back to my Crack + T90 combo

4. Something else

 

I love the resolution and soundstage of the T1s, but am missing some bass presence (not extension) that I heard in my T90 combo. 

 

What do you think?  Have a remaining budget of about $1,200 this year for audio.

 

Cheers

 

Nathan

I've been using my T1's well over a year and I listen mostly to classical music. I have got tube and ss amps and the T1's love tubes...it's that simple. I also have an HD800 and it works well with both ss and tubes but with the T1's I have not heard them sound their best without a tube amp. I've got the WA-2 and it pairs perfectly with my T1's. No brightness at all unless you are using a bright dac. The WA-2 will also help with the bass presence. You will find many members here with T1's that swear by the WA-2. If you are on a tight budget I would still suggest a less expensive tube amp rather than going solid state (there are some great options out there). As long as you pair the T1's with the right equipment it compliments the HD800's very nicely. The HD800 will throw a bigger soundstage and provide a touch more detail but the T1's on the right setup have a musical quality that is so involving it is hard to beat.

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Originally Posted by rommy View Post

Have put about 100 hours onto my T1s (Serial No. 15...) and am really enjoying the presentation of classical (baroque, renaissance etc), jazz and some rock.  However, I am finding the sound a little harsh for certain recordings (such as "Grace" by Jeff Buckley and certain tracks 

Try EQIng, i have been listening to spotify paid version which sounds especially crisp but a little dry in the middle. I just found out and downloaded a EQ that goes with their service called "equalify". It has some nice presets too. It tamed the harshness beautifully

There are a lot of poor quality recordings out there. When you get up to the level of the T1's you can really hear just how bad some of these recording are. EQ may halp but you are really adjusting for the recording or maybe some other component in your chain. I have never heard my T1's sound harsh. I would bet that is coming from somewhere other than the T1's.

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Note to self: Do not burden yourself with the expectation of perfection. You will fail to treasure the riches you already have.

If the search for audio perfection has robbed you of the joy of music, if the ears of your heart have been neglected in the pursuit of "more" or "better", you have lost your way...well said. i have wasted a lot of money doing just that. as i am writing this, i am listening to my grado 325s, my first set of quality phones. i could have very well been happy with these instead of chasing something highly unattainable. (perfection)

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Originally Posted by Chodi View Post
 

There are a lot of poor quality recordings out there. When you get up to the level of the T1's you can really hear just how bad some of these recording are. EQ may halp but you are really adjusting for the recording or maybe some other component in your chain. I have never heard my T1's sound harsh. I would bet that is coming from somewhere other than the T1's.

unless your listening to live music, everything is coloring what you are hearing, your lap top, sound card, and the T1. i'd rather tailor the music to the way i like it.

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Originally Posted by rommy View Post
 

unless your listening to live music, everything is coloring what you are hearing, your lap top, sound card, and the T1. i'd rather tailor the music to the way i like it.

I wasn't suggesting that eq is a bad idea. Just the opposite. When I listen to my headphones on solid state amps I often use eq. On my tube amps I rarely find it necessary to eq. We all hear differently so tailoring things to your own listening taste is the right approach. Using a little eq and I am not sure I could tell my ss amp from my tube amp in a blind test. 

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Yes the T1s need a little warming.
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Originally Posted by daveyston23 View Post
 

Also wondering if there are any DAC recommendations for the T1...

I'm very happy with my NAD M51. It seems to compliment the T1. Very clean and detailed without any over emphasis on treble.

 

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Originally Posted by rommy View Post

Yes the T1s need a little warming.

For me, it was less about warming and more about avoiding treble harshness. I went from HD650s to the T1s. Everything that I had done to "deveil" the Senns worked against me for the T1s. I needed to roll tubes in the WA2 and replace my DAC to get a sound that I liked.

 

It's probably sacrilegious around here; but NAD m51->WA2->T1s has a sound quality that I can live with long term.

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Originally Posted by rommy View Post

Yes the T1s need a little warming.

 

Of course, this depends on the user's setup, but in my particular situation, I agree with you with some qualifications.

 

I use a BH Crack+Speedball with my T1's.  With some tubes the treble can be a bit too hot.  Fortunately with a tube amp, you can tame the treble by simply swapping in different tubes.  This is a big advantage to using a tube amp.  I swapped in a RCA 12AU7 Clear Top and the treble is a bit too hot.  Initially I liked it, but have lately been experiencing some ear ringing.  I am currently experimenting with other tubes.  Swapping in the stock 12AU7 in place of the Clear Top- the hot treble goes away.

 

I am not sure the setup-dependent "slightly hot" treble is the fault of the T1.  When I use the headphone amp built into my DAC, the T1 treble is not bright.


Edited by BlakeT - 2/27/14 at 12:33pm
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Originally Posted by StanT View Post
 

I'm very happy with my NAD M51. It seems to compliment the T1. Very clean and detailed without any over emphasis on treble.

 

For me, it was less about warming and more about avoiding treble harshness. I went from HD650s to the T1s. Everything that I had done to "deveil" the Senns worked against me for the T1s. I needed to roll tubes in the WA2 and replace my DAC to get a sound that I liked.

 

It's probably sacrilegious around here; but NAD m51->WA2->T1s has a sound quality that I can live with long term.

 

I heard an M51 recently and it was a great DAC which suits the T1s beautifully. Nothing sacrilegious about your chain - looks great!

 

@MoatsArt your quote about seeking perfection reminds me of my little rule. I maintain always to be a music lover, not an audiophile ever since an audiophile friend of mine described himself as a frustrated music lover who'd lost the joy of music seeking audio perfection. That's why I love the T1s - technically (i.e. using scientific measurement) they are nowhere near as good as HD800s and other flagships, but they're just so enjoyable and that's what matters.

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Originally Posted by Loquah View Post
 

 

I heard an M51 recently and it was a great DAC which suits the T1s beautifully. Nothing sacrilegious about your chain - looks great!

 

@MoatsArt your quote about seeking perfection reminds me of my little rule. I maintain always to be a music lover, not an audiophile ever since an audiophile friend of mine described himself as a frustrated music lover who'd lost the joy of music seeking audio perfection. That's why I love the T1s - technically (i.e. using scientific measurement) they are nowhere near as good as HD800s and other flagships, but they're just so enjoyable and that's what matters.

 

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Originally Posted by StanT View Post
 

I'm very happy with my NAD M51. It seems to compliment the T1. Very clean and detailed without any over emphasis on treble.

 

For me, it was less about warming and more about avoiding treble harshness. I went from HD650s to the T1s. Everything that I had done to "deveil" the Senns worked against me for the T1s. I needed to roll tubes in the WA2 and replace my DAC to get a sound that I liked.

 

It's probably sacrilegious around here; but NAD m51->WA2->T1s has a sound quality that I can live with long term.

 

Thanks very much for the input folks. I'm definitely interested in this setup. Just a quick question: how did you find the soundstage with this setup? 

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