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Well, it's the only hard evidence I've found aside from all the people who posted about bright bass light T-1s since the release.

 

Perhaps the term "two versions" is bothersome.  How about referring to them as "defective T-1 headphones"

 

Yes, I think that is much more accurate wink.gif

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Agree. But once you hear it, you will never stop hearing it.


That I believe completely. I have the same issue with the 6kHz peak that the HD800 have.
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Well, it's the only hard evidence I've found aside from all the people who posted about bright bass light T-1s since the release.

 

Perhaps the term "two versions" is bothersome.  How about referring to them as "defective T-1 headphones"

 


Yes, I think that is much more accurate wink.gif

 

I'm glad you're on board in calling the bass light and overly bright T-1 headphones "defective", because maybe now we can get Beyer to replace all the "defective" under their 2 year warranty.

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But "defective" is a technical issue and not the believe of the auditioner..

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Originally Posted by upstateguy View Post

 

 

I'm glad you're on board in calling the bass light and overly bright T-1 headphones "defective", because maybe now we can get Beyer to replace all the "defective" under their 2 year warranty.

I don't believe that what I think will matter even the very tiniest bit to Beyer. But i do think most legitimate places you buy a T1 from will allow their return if you are not satisfied.
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That I believe completely. I have the same issue with the 6kHz peak that the HD800 have.



And as you pointed out, 6kHz is more in the brightness territory and therefore more noticable. I hear the 10kHz peak in the ATH-M50 and the SRH940 but it is a "soft light" excess as opposed to a sizzle.
 

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I'm glad you're on board in calling the bass light and overly bright T-1 headphones "defective", because maybe now we can get Beyer to replace all the "defective" under their 2 year warranty.


Both channels always equally defective? Hmmmm.
 

 

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I don't believe that what I think will matter even the very tiniest bit to Beyer. But i do think most legitimate places you buy a T1 from will allow their return if you are not satisfied.


Skylab I am with your feelings but even though you cannot go to the dealer and raise the gun "Give me the number XXX, if not, I will show you my bullet until your head is marked on the wall "

 

Lets wait until after the call..

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I could see it happening if they were manufactured in different places and/or used different parts but without physical evidence there is no way to prove it.  Well at least to prove it in the eyes of beyerdynamic.

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Well after doing some research it looks like I came across some of Tyll's headphone graphs and I'm not sure what the serial # of the original T1 was but there is a noticeable difference (5db) in the high treble.  Also there is a slight difference in the lower bass frequencies (1db to 2db) too.  I'm just going off of the adjusted averaged frequency chart but it does seem like there are some pairs that are different.  Especially in a reference level headphone those differences should be easier to perceive since the level of gear is more revealing.

 

 

Original T1: http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/BeyerdynamicT1.pdf

 

Newer Model T1: http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/BeyerdynamicT1SN3964.pdf

 

 

Also keep in mind that it might not necessarily be the components inside the headphone that have changed.  It could also be from fresher pads / less worn down pads.  Keep in mind if you don't believe the difference a pad can make, just take a look at the differences between a D5000 with stock pads and J$ pads.

 

 

Stock D5000: http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/DenonAHD5000.pdf

 

J$ pad D5000: http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/DenonAHD5000JMoneyPads.pdf

 

 

Anyways that should be enough evidence to prove that upstateguy wasn't in the wrong with what he's heard.  I can certainly understand how a 5db difference in the highs and a 1-2db increase in the sub frequencies could change the sound of a reference level headphone that's being heard with reference level gear. 

 

 

 

 

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Can I ask does that pdf file mean T1s have S/N larger than 3964 should be the newer versions? Or Can somebody tell me, where the newer versions S/N starts?
 

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Well after doing some research it looks like I came across some of Tyll's headphone graphs and I'm not sure what the serial # of the original T1 was but there is a noticeable difference (5db) in the high treble.  Also there is a slight difference in the lower bass frequencies (1db to 2db) too.  I'm just going off of the adjusted averaged frequency chart but it does seem like there are some pairs that are different.  Especially in a reference level headphone those differences should be easier to perceive since the level of gear is more revealing.

 

 

Original T1: http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/BeyerdynamicT1.pdf

 

Newer Model T1: http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/BeyerdynamicT1SN3964.pdf

 

 

Also keep in mind that it might not necessarily be the components inside the headphone that have changed.  It could also be from fresher pads / less worn down pads.  Keep in mind if you don't believe the difference a pad can make, just take a look at the differences between a D5000 with stock pads and J$ pads.

 

 

Stock D5000: http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/DenonAHD5000.pdf

 

J$ pad D5000: http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/DenonAHD5000JMoneyPads.pdf

 

 

Anyways that should be enough evidence to prove that upstateguy wasn't in the wrong with what he's heard.  I can certainly understand how a 5db difference in the highs and a 1-2db increase in the sub frequencies could change the sound of a reference level headphone that's being heard with reference level gear. 

 

 

 

 



 

post #670 of 10477
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Can I ask does that pdf file mean T1s have S/N larger than 3964 should be the newer versions? Or Can somebody tell me, where the newer versions S/N starts?
 



 


Judging by the change I would assume it's for all the models that have the newer headband.  Keep in mind that's pure speculation but it seems to be the case.

 

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Sorry. forgive me being lazy. cant be bothered to look back this thread. Can somebody mention again what does newer headband looks like? And what's older one?

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I want to be clear that at least in my case I NEVER said that upstate guy didn't hear what he said he heard. My issue was the statement that Beyer was actively making two "versions". But I think we have moved past that.
post #673 of 10477
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Originally Posted by Skylab View Post

I want to be clear that at least in my case I NEVER said that upstate guy didn't hear what he said he heard. My issue was the statement that Beyer was actively making two "versions". But I think we have moved past that.


Well, there are still 2 versions out there but now we're calling the bass light, overly bright T-1 the "defective version".  It works for me.  There are plenty of them out  there and I would imagine that if you complain a lot, the guys who have them can get new drivers or exchange units under the T-1s  2 year warranty, .

 

I think we've established that a properly working T-1 does not require any special amplification to sound good.  If you have a T-1 that is bass light with an overly bright treble, what you're hearing  is the sound signature of the defective version.

 


Edited by upstateguy - 7/3/11 at 6:30pm
post #674 of 10477
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Originally Posted by upstateguy View Post




Well, there are still 2 versions out there but now we're calling the bass light, overly bright T-1 the "defective version".  It works for me.  There are plenty of them out  there and I would imagine that if you complain a lot, the guys who have them can get new drivers or exchange units under the T-1s  2 year warranty, .

 

I think we've established that a properly working T-1 does not require any special amplification to sound good.  If you have a T-1 that is bass light with an overly bright treble, what you're hearing  is the sound signature of the defective version.

 


Lol, I guess I have the defective version then.  Dammit overly bright defective version!!!

post #675 of 10477
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Lol, I guess I have the defective version then.  Dammit overly bright defective version!!!

 

Start making phone calls and sending e-mails.  You have a 2 year warranty.
 

 

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