or Connect
Head-Fi.org › Forums › Summit-Fi (High-End Audio) › High-end Audio Forum › The Official Beyerdynamic T1 Impressions and Discussion Thread
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

The Official Beyerdynamic T1 Impressions and Discussion Thread - Page 418

post #6256 of 10479

never had a chance to listen to a wa2 with t1. 

 

gsx with t1 actually too resolving. 

 

was your t1 balanced when you had your wa22?  i tried my t1 balanced, with my friends wa22 with upgraded tubes(u52, 5998 and sylvania 6sn7wgt) and cables.  i thought it ain't bad but i still prefer my wa5 over wa22 quite a bit.  the bass sure was light, lighter.  but still goes very deep.  vocal was actually a little more, in your face, type.  soundstage was wide, wide enough.  depth i don't exactly remember, was i think wa5 has more depth.  treble was a bit, not as smooth, i can't say harsh.  i actually like that setup with hd800 more. 

post #6257 of 10479
I got my T1s about 3 weeks ago. They sounded beautiful right out of the box, and i like them much more then the HD 800S I've owned, but I notice the T1s lack impact at higher volumes. They do sound the best at moderate volumes, but if I want turn them up , I can't get the sound pressure I did with the 800s, I've noticed no change in sound since I have been listening to them, maybe because they sounded so fine from the fist day, so my question is , will they loosen up in time?
post #6258 of 10479
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post
 

i think the T1 is more resolving out of the GSX MK2, but the WA2 is the way to go, theres just something special a magic synergy that creates the perfect balance for the T1 with it. Unmatched by any other amp (the Glenn OTL came close and did better in some ways).

 

I did not like the Wa22 with the T1, the bass was light (though if you're looking to fix the T1's slightly recessed midrange and lushness to the mids, this is the amp to get, i don't think the T1 is supposed to sound like this though at least not for me).

 

. the GSX MK2 its just ever so slightly bright since it doesn't "tame" any of the treble of the T1, it just presents it the way it is, in many ways you can say the T1 naturally has a little too much treble, not that its a bad headphone, just needs the right amp for it. the bass on the GSX isn't also as strong as with WA2, the T1 needs colorations to sound its best and I think the WA2 has the best control of its drivers as well.

 

As for HD 800, i still prefer it on my GSX MK2 with the WA2 to come second. The WA22 was slightly better than the WA2 with the HD 800, but only after completely maxing out the tubes (GEC 6AS7G power tubes, Western Electric 422A or U52, and TS 6F8G drivers). The WA2 was also slightly more musical, at the expense of being slightly less detailed and having a smaller sound stage.

 

to be honest, after the WA2 was sold, I haven't listened to the T1 that much at all, they sound good, but theres something missing. Or maybe i've just gotten used to the extra bass the HE-6 and LCD-3 give you. also the HD 800 sounds a lot better on GSX MK2 (it scales higher).

 

Thanks for sharing your opinion. How was the WA2 for the HD650 and planars? 

post #6259 of 10479
Quote:
Originally Posted by pdrm360 View Post
 

 

Thanks for sharing your opinion. How was the WA2 for the HD650 and planars? 

 

you can look at some of the posts in the Woo audio and WA2 thread. overall though, won't work with planars for me since they are low impedance, i always got distortion and couldn't listen too loudly. the HD 650 seemed overly lush on the WA2 but some people enjoy the combination quite a bit.

post #6260 of 10479
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post

you can look at some of the posts in the Woo audio and WA2 thread. overall though, won't work with planars for me since they are low impedance, i always got distortion and couldn't listen too loudly. the HD 650 seemed overly lush on the WA2 but some people enjoy the combination quite a bit.

I wouldn't have thought the WA2 would work very well with planars but it's amazing how often you see it recommended in the planar threads
post #6261 of 10479
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony1110 View Post


I wouldn't have thought the WA2 would work very well with planars but it's amazing how often you see it recommended in the planar threads

 

I think SS works better for the LCD2, but the WA2 is a nice change of pace sometimes.  You get a lot of texture in the low end IMO....less punch though.

post #6262 of 10479
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post
 

 

you can look at some of the posts in the Woo audio and WA2 thread. overall though, won't work with planars for me since they are low impedance, i always got distortion and couldn't listen too loudly. the HD 650 seemed overly lush on the WA2 but some people enjoy the combination quite a bit.

 

Yep, it's not easy to find a good amp for all kind of headphones. Maybe I should keep my Lyr, it works for all of my headphones at least.  

post #6263 of 10479
There are plenty of amps around that do well with a myriad of headphones. The V200 and Soloist are two that immediately spring to mind. If you wanted tubes WA6SE might be a good all-rounder option.
post #6264 of 10479
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony1110 View Post

There are plenty of amps around that do well with a myriad of headphones. The V200 and Soloist are two that immediately spring to mind. If you wanted tubes WA6SE might be a good all-rounder option.

 

I'm not sure how the WA6SE would be with the T1 and HD800.

post #6265 of 10479
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post
 

i think the T1 is more resolving out of the GSX MK2, but the WA2 is the way to go, theres just something special a magic synergy that creates the perfect balance for the T1 with it. Unmatched by any other amp (the Glenn OTL came close and did better in some ways).

 

I did not like the Wa22 with the T1, the bass was light (though if you're looking to fix the T1's slightly recessed midrange and lushness to the mids, this is the amp to get, i don't think the T1 is supposed to sound like this though at least not for me).

 

. the GSX MK2 its just ever so slightly bright since it doesn't "tame" any of the treble of the T1, it just presents it the way it is, in many ways you can say the T1 naturally has a little too much treble, not that its a bad headphone, just needs the right amp for it. the bass on the GSX isn't also as strong as with WA2, the T1 needs colorations to sound its best and I think the WA2 has the best control of its drivers as well.

 

As for HD 800, i still prefer it on my GSX MK2 with the WA2 to come second. The WA22 was slightly better than the WA2 with the HD 800, but only after completely maxing out the tubes (GEC 6AS7G power tubes, Western Electric 422A or U52, and TS 6F8G drivers). The WA2 was also slightly more musical, at the expense of being slightly less detailed and having a smaller sound stage.

 

to be honest, after the WA2 was sold, I haven't listened to the T1 that much at all, they sound good, but theres something missing. Or maybe i've just gotten used to the extra bass the HE-6 and LCD-3 give you. also the HD 800 sounds a lot better on GSX MK2 (it scales higher).

 

Are you running your T1's balanced out of the GS-X Mk2?

post #6266 of 10479

The V200 is a fantastic amp... love it to bits.

post #6267 of 10479
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post
 

i think the T1 is more resolving out of the GSX MK2, but the WA2 is the way to go, theres just something special a magic synergy that creates the perfect balance for the T1 with it. Unmatched by any other amp (the Glenn OTL came close and did better in some ways).

 

I did not like the Wa22 with the T1, the bass was light (though if you're looking to fix the T1's slightly recessed midrange and lushness to the mids, this is the amp to get, i don't think the T1 is supposed to sound like this though at least not for me).

 

. the GSX MK2 its just ever so slightly bright since it doesn't "tame" any of the treble of the T1, it just presents it the way it is, in many ways you can say the T1 naturally has a little too much treble, not that its a bad headphone, just needs the right amp for it. the bass on the GSX isn't also as strong as with WA2, the T1 needs colorations to sound its best and I think the WA2 has the best control of its drivers as well.

 

As for HD 800, i still prefer it on my GSX MK2 with the WA2 to come second. The WA22 was slightly better than the WA2 with the HD 800, but only after completely maxing out the tubes (GEC 6AS7G power tubes, Western Electric 422A or U52, and TS 6F8G drivers). The WA2 was also slightly more musical, at the expense of being slightly less detailed and having a smaller sound stage.

 

to be honest, after the WA2 was sold, I haven't listened to the T1 that much at all, they sound good, but theres something missing. Or maybe i've just gotten used to the extra bass the HE-6 and LCD-3 give you. also the HD 800 sounds a lot better on GSX MK2 (it scales higher).

what is bass impact and slam like with GSX/HD800 compared to WA2. 

post #6268 of 10479
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony1110 View Post


I wouldn't have thought the WA2 would work very well with planars but it's amazing how often you see it recommended in the planar threads

 

I have the WA2, I have the he-500, I have the same experience as Dubstep girl, it doesn't really work.

I have taken apart my wa2 and also looked at internal pictures of older wa2s. 

I don't really know about amp designs, and after discussing with 2 other very prominent members that know about tube amp designs in head-fi, I believe the conclusion was that the new and old wa2 basically have the same circuit design with the pseudo power supply design albeit the swap in input selector and volume control and the higher grade PCB boards used .

However, the wa2 I have (bought in early 2013, presumably newer wa2s), have different values for the capacitors around the circuit. I am not sure if this is the reason that newer ones don't have enough power and will "choke" when too much power (current or voltage, I forgot which one it is) is "drawn" for low impedance phones to perform normal. It might also be that a different power supply transformer is used, but I haven't compared those since I can't find any pictures of the transformers in old wa2.

 

Please correct me if I'm wrong, I might be way off. 

Anyway, my wa2 also performs spectacularly with my T1. Note that some earlier reviews, I think, did not really raved about the T1 and wa2 pairing, I do suspect that *maybe earlier versions of wa2 are not as good with T1 and better with planars, and newer versions of wa2 are definitely very good with T1 but does not work with anything that are low impedance. 


Edited by bowtung - 1/8/14 at 6:47pm
post #6269 of 10479

Lots of recommendation in here for the WA2 with the T1's.  Is the WA6-SE as good of a match with the T1's?

post #6270 of 10479
Quote:
Originally Posted by robbbby View Post
 

Lots of recommendation in here for the WA2 with the T1's.  Is the WA6-SE as good of a match with the T1's?

 

Not as good, its bright with the wrong tubes and has a leaner more SS sound to it, mostly, grain is more obvious. on the plus sides, with warmer tubes, the soundstage is noticeably bigger on the WA6-SE and the sound seems to have a slightly bit more clarity due to the more treble, the WA6-SE seems to be more revealing in some ways, but lacks the euphony, tone, timbre, decay, coherency, naturalness, and synergy the WA2 has with the T1. Also, better tubes will make the WA2/T1 pairing stronger (tung sol 5998 or western electric 421a specifically) as well as making the sound more detailed and transparent (stock WA6-SE will generally sound better than stock WA2, but again this is debateable, the stock shuguang rectifier on the WA6-SE makes it sound horrible).

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by magiccabbage View Post
 

what is bass impact and slam like with GSX/HD800 compared to WA2. 

 

with HD 800 I can't really tell, both give it plenty of bass, the WA2 maybe a little more than normal but u wouldn't notice it with GSX, the HD 800 has tons of bass with GSX, very clean deep accurate bass as well. 

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post
 

 

Are you running your T1's balanced out of the GS-X Mk2?

 

nope, i still need to get them recabled. maybe that will make some improvement. as of now the HD 800 unbalanced sound better than the T1 balanced, though I still like my T1, i just haven't listened to them as much as when I had the WA2. honestly it sounds like the GSX MK2 is better than the WA2 by a good margin, just need a little less treble a little more bass for the T1's to get to that sweet spot, don't know how much the balanced would help.


Edited by Dubstep Girl - 1/8/14 at 7:48pm
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: High-end Audio Forum
Head-Fi.org › Forums › Summit-Fi (High-End Audio) › High-end Audio Forum › The Official Beyerdynamic T1 Impressions and Discussion Thread