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post #5701 of 7895
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Originally Posted by derbigpr View Post

Anyway, I listened to the T1 from a variety of amps yesterday, I visited a high end hi-fi shop in my city that has all kinds of expensive goodies that cost way too much to even consider, including amps from Leben, Naim, Bryston, Rega, Cyrus, NAD, Musical Fidelity, even The Gryphon.
I went to audition the new NAD 1050 DAC/head amp. Sucked, didn't like it. It might be because I compared it to amps that cost 10x and more, but anyway, I would not pay 500 euros for it. For example, T1 sounded MUCH better out of the NAD 356BEE integrated amp, which had crap loads of power, I believe it could probably easily power a couple of T1's plugged into it at the same time if it had more headphone outs. I mean, I could not turn the volume knob past 9 and half o'clock, it got too loud, and it powered the T1's with absolute authority, making the bass more powerful and punchy that out of any headphone amp I've tried, it also sounded really nice, warm and full, with no harshness or edge to the sound. Superior to Nuforce HDP for sure, no doubt.
I also listened briefly to the Rega Ear (no good, sounds like a cheap amp, no power for T1's), Kingrex HQ-1 (for some reason had really weak bass extension and its in my opinion very overpriced for what it sounds like), Musical Fidelity M1HPA (liked it most out of all dedicated head amps, plenty of power and authority in the sound, sounds nice and warm, almost like a tube amp).

But then I plugged the T1's into a Naim Supernait 2 integrated amp.... and I feel sorry I did so, because the thing costs almost 5000 euros. I believe my face looked like this when listening:


I think I'm in love with that amp. It looks so good in person, especially in a slightly dark room full of high quality dark wood furniture and nice creamy tones to contrast it. That black smooth metal look...with those sweet looking green LED's and the shiny green Naim logo...and the sound is just, unbelievably smooth. Just so freaking effortless, it feels like every sound the headphone produces is produced with zero force required, like it just happens. It had the depth that I never heard from the T1's, at first I actually though the pair of PSB Synchrony One speakers that were plugged into the amp were working. Everything else, and I mean everything else, even the Musical Fidelity M1HPA that I liked A LOT before, sounded bad in comparison. Is this really the actual T1 sound? Or is the Naim responsible for the magic? I hope so, because next week I the guy in the shop will get the Naim Headline 2 for me to try out, which he claims has exact same headphone amp circuitry as Supernait 2, and it costs 600 euros, which is not too bad. Its also apparently designed for high impedance headphones.

Great feedback. Please let us know how the Naim Headline 2 works out...I've always wondered how it performs against other amps in the same price range...
Edited by vlach - 10/13/13 at 10:33pm
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Originally Posted by vlach View Post

Great feedback. Please let us know how the Naim Headline 2 works out...I've always wondered how it performs against other amps in the same price range...


The thing that surprised me most is that T1 sounded really good out of integrated amps in general. I'd even argue it sounded better out of the NAD 356 than out of any headphone amp I've tried, and that NAD was not especially expensive, its a mid end amp. Integrated amps also had LOADS of power, far more headline than head amps. I mean, by the sound of it, I'd say they can probably output a couple of watts of power into a 600 ohm load.
post #5703 of 7895
Be careful with that though as the T1 has a power handling cap of 300mw if I remember correctly.
post #5704 of 7895
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Originally Posted by NZheadcase View Post

Be careful with that though as the T1 has a power handling cap of 300mw if I remember correctly.

 

Yes, 300mW is correct.

 

Even though having ample power (and headroom) is great, I find the T1's sensitivity means they sound great out of almost any mains-powered amp. I think the key is how cleanly the amp delivers the sound and any colouration that it adds.

post #5705 of 7895

+1 ^ ^

post #5706 of 7895
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Originally Posted by NZheadcase View Post

Be careful with that though as the T1 has a power handling cap of 300mw if I remember correctly.

 

Woo Audio 2!!!

post #5707 of 7895
Soloist isn't a bad SS option for the T1. Towards the end of my time with them I came to prefer that amp to the warmer sounding V200. In fact, I kind of miss them.
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Soloist isn't a bad SS option for the T1. Towards the end of my time with them I came to prefer that amp to the warmer sounding V200. In fact, I kind of miss them.

I own the Soloist. Its good for the T1, but I haven't heard the T1 on any other worthy amp. So I can't make a definite call as to weather its that good
post #5709 of 7895

T1 is very good on GSX-MK2 as well. im not even sure if i'll rebuy WA2 (i probably will). its about as good and similar sounding.

post #5710 of 7895
I expected Soloist to be a bad match because the previous Burson amp is known to be awful with the T1. Silly really as the Soloist is neutral as opposed to bright. I always thought they needed a warm amp to shine but that's not strictly true.
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Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post

T1 is very good on GSX-MK2 as well. im not even sure if i'll rebuy WA2 (i probably will). its about as good and similar sounding.

But why would you need to? You have the WA22 already. Is it not an overall better WA2?

Just curious. biggrin.gif
post #5712 of 7895
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Originally Posted by Tony1110 View Post

Soloist isn't a bad SS option for the T1. Towards the end of my time with them I came to prefer that amp to the warmer sounding V200. In fact, I kind of miss them.

+1 this has been the combo I've been listening to on my main desktop setup for the last three weeks.
post #5713 of 7895
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Originally Posted by NZheadcase View Post

But why would you need to? You have the WA22 already. Is it not an overall better WA2?

Just curious. biggrin.gif

Not for me. U get more of a 3d soundstage and a wider soundstage, more forward mids, but less bass and the treble isnt as sweet
post #5714 of 7895
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Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post

Not for me. U get more of a 3d soundstage and a wider soundstage, more forward mids, but less bass and the treble isnt as sweet

Would it be fair to say that you're difficult to please? biggrin.gif
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Would it be fair to say that you're difficult to please? biggrin.gif

 

very ;) 

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