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post #5266 of 10479
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Originally Posted by derbigpr View Post

 

 

IMHO its impossible to compare the two headphones side by side.  They should be keept the far away from each other like matter and antimatter. Because if you A-B the two, HD650 will lose, every time. As it loses against DT880 or K701, or even some technically inferior, but bright headphone, at least for for me. It just seems like its too thick and somewhat veiled when you compare them directly to bright headphones, which often fool you and make you think they have more detail, or  more clarity, but that's not always the case. All I know is that when I listen to HD650's for lets say 3-4 days in a row, they impress me more than when I listen to T1's for a few days, to get totally used to their sound signature. I've never had a single WOW moment with T1's. Might be because I don't have a high end amp, but from past experiences with various headphones, I don't think they'd totally transform and do a night and day shift, and thats what they need to do in order to impress me or justify their price. As of now, if DT880's cost 350 dollars, then IMHO T1's aren't worth more than 500.  Diminishing returns is strong in this one. :P

Actually they do have a night and day difference with amps. They sound like crap out of the Bellari, but amazing with the Mjolnir and higher quality OTL amps. You just haven't given them a chance yet.

post #5267 of 10479
Yah if you feel their performance now isnt worth more than 500 dollars somethings wrong or youre not getting the most out of them with your setup, the T1 should be a clear step up from hd 650 akg and dt 880. Most of my headphones that got sold where sold because i found that even with flagships, its very hard to beat the T1s, for me, they are my high end reference where the hd 650s which i also really enjoyed where my mid-fi reference, i weigh all other similar priced headphones against those
post #5268 of 10479

"On the other hand, I've owned the DT880's 600ohm and the T1's"

 

I think the T1 is closer to the DT880 250ohm 03 then the newest model. 

 

I do have an ok amp for the T1 I think (auditor) and they don't sound like a $1300 headphone for me too. But I should get my w4s dac2 on friday and I will do an A/B testing again between the T1, DT880 250ohm 03 and my DT880 600ohm, I will see if my source is the limiting factor :)

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Originally Posted by monsterzero View Post

My opinion of the WA2,perhaps is tainted,primarily because the only shop Im aware of that demos it was where I heard it under perform yesterday,so I might never get to hear it correctly.

My opinion of the T1 however is unwavering....I love them!

I assume you heard the WA-2 at Munkong. Honestly although they sell some really good gear their demo facility is terrible. I have bought from them but I never seriously tried to listen to anything there. They are ok to deal with if you know what you want when you walk in. Jet Live is much better but I have not found that they carry any tube gear. Bangkok isn't the best place to demo headphone equipment. T1 and WA-2 are a great match. Rather expensive at local prices.

post #5270 of 10479

It's been a while since the T1 and HD800s have been out, with tweaks from the company in the later models.  Any opinions here change on which would be the better overall headphone?

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Originally Posted by hmorneau View Post

"On the other hand, I've owned the DT880's 600ohm and the T1's"

 

I think the T1 is closer to the DT880 250ohm 03 then the newest model. 

 

I do have an ok amp for the T1 I think (auditor) and they don't sound like a $1300 headphone for me too. But I should get my w4s dac2 on friday and I will do an A/B testing again between the T1, DT880 250ohm 03 and my DT880 600ohm, I will see if my source is the limiting factor :)

 

The Auditor should do a great job from what I've read (I haven't heard it), but will only be as good as the source signal.

 

For me the T1's continue to wow on almost every track. I'm running FLAC from PC --> Chord SilverPlus USB --> Audio-gd NFB-5.2 --> Bottlehead Crack (non Speedball) and the T1's blow the HD650s away in every aspect - and I love the HD650s.

 

I had the HD650s on sale and had second thoughts so I went back to try them again and, with this setup, the T1s do everything the HD650s do only better. That said, with different amplification like running direct from the NFB-5.2 or with other tubes in the Crack the T1s sounded just average while the HD650s still performed at or close to their peak (which is excellent).

 

I ended up selling the HD650s and haven't once regretted it, but it's because I have a system perfectly optimised for the T1s now - it's not a reflection on the HD650s which are far more versatile with different sources / amps and an excellent headphone.

post #5272 of 10479
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Originally Posted by mediumraresteak View Post

It's been a while since the T1 and HD800s have been out, with tweaks from the company in the later models.  Any opinions here change on which would be the better overall headphone?

I own the T1 and I've had the HD800 home on demo. Both are great headphones and I wouldn't mind having both at home all the time. I went with the T1 because as stated many times it is a great all round headphone that plays any genre well. I listen mostly to classical and my T1's make long listening sessions very enjoyable. The HD800 is more fatiguing for long listening in my opinion, but I'm sure others might disagree. The HD800 is a bit more transparent and presents a larger soundstage but your upstream equipment will really make the difference. The T1 is just a little on the warm side of neutral while the HD800 goes the other way. It's all about your own listening choices.

post #5273 of 10479
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Originally Posted by Chodi View Post

I own the T1 and I've had the HD800 home on demo. Both are great headphones and I wouldn't mind having both at home all the time. I went with the T1 because as stated many times it is a great all round headphone that plays any genre well. I listen mostly to classical and my T1's make long listening sessions very enjoyable. The HD800 is more fatiguing for long listening in my opinion, but I'm sure others might disagree. The HD800 is a bit more transparent and presents a larger soundstage but your upstream equipment will really make the difference. The T1 is just a little on the warm side of neutral while the HD800 goes the other way. It's all about your own listening choices.

+1 Chodi, well said. Pick your poison.

post #5274 of 10479

Ditto.  I love my T1 but have only listened to the HD800 once...and on mediocre amplification.  People say you really have to have the  800's powered correctly to truly hear what they can do...to an even higher degree than most, if not all, headphones.  I don't have the time with the 800's to  argue that.  I do know I like the more upfront presence of the T1's...I feel closer to the music.  That's important to  me and from what I have heard the T1's do that better.  More intimate to me.  The timbre of the instruments is more real to me from that "distance".

post #5275 of 10479
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Originally Posted by brunk View Post

Actually they do have a night and day difference with amps. They sound like crap out of the Bellari, but amazing with the Mjolnir and higher quality OTL amps. You just haven't given them a chance yet.

Totally agree with the T1 Bellari combo statement.  They do not pair well at all.  The T1 however pairs well with my ALO MKll portable amp, but significantly better with the Meier Corda Classic.

 

Can't comment on Senns HD650 or HD800 but the T1 blows by my HD595 in sound quality and imaging.

post #5276 of 10479

I have just bought the T1 and powered by Audio-GD NFB10ES2 with balanced mod. I previously use K701 and thought it was very good until I have the T1. I hope it can last many years without thinking upgrade to another better headphones.

post #5277 of 10479
Was gonna test T1 on my soloist today, but I got shafted hard. I sent it in for repair, and it just came back from Canada, and it doesn't work :/ so now I need to send it back to Canada to be repaired again. Thank god Parts Connexion has great service smily_headphones1.gif, looks like it got damaged in shipping... AGAIN! (2nd time)
post #5278 of 10479
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Originally Posted by Chodi View Post

I assume you heard the WA-2 at Munkong. Honestly although they sell some really good gear their demo facility is terrible. I have bought from them but I never seriously tried to listen to anything there. They are ok to deal with if you know what you want when you walk in. Jet Live is much better but I have not found that they carry any tube gear. Bangkok isn't the best place to demo headphone equipment. T1 and WA-2 are a great match. Rather expensive at local prices.

yup,youre correct...I like Jet Live Audio alot more but I didnt see any Woo products on their website,so I had to go to Munkong to check the Woo lineup.

Im pretty new to this hobby so I have little past experience with hearing different hp/amp/dac combos,so buying w/o listening prior isnt really an option for me.

Is there any other spot in BKK where I could check out the WA2-T1 combo?


Edited by monsterzero - 8/28/13 at 8:50pm
post #5279 of 10479
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Originally Posted by monsterzero View Post

yup,youre correct...I like Jet Live Audio alot more but I didnt see any Woo products on their website,so I had to go to Munkong to check the Woo lineup.

Im pretty new to this hobby so I have little past experience with hearing different hp/amp/dac combos,so buying w/o listening prior isnt really an option for me.

Is there any other spot in BKK where I could check out the WA2-T1 combo?

In a word...no. There are only three dealers in Bangkok for headphone gear and the two mentioned here are the only ones I would deal with. The other dealer is Discovery Hi Fi but their prices are insane. I have resorted to buying very new used equipment through the for sale section on this forum with very good results. Often avoids customs charges in used equipment. 

 

The boss at Jet Live is a very nice young man and he will often cut you a deal on the pricing if you ask nicely. I bought a Stax system from him and he gave me a better price than buying direct from Japan. Good guy. If you want to know more you can pm me.

post #5280 of 10479
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Originally Posted by Chodi View Post

In a word...no. There are only three dealers in Bangkok for headphone gear and the two mentioned here are the only ones I would deal with. The other dealer is Discovery Hi Fi but their prices are insane. I have resorted to buying very new used equipment through the for sale section on this forum with very good results. Often avoids customs charges in used equipment. 

 

The boss at Jet Live is a very nice young man and he will often cut you a deal on the pricing if you ask nicely. I bought a Stax system from him and he gave me a better price than buying direct from Japan. Good guy. If you want to know more you can pm me.

Owners name is Jet,yeah? Ive met him and the rest of the staff @ Jet are very cool and since I speak nit noi Thai,the fact they can speak farang helps alot...I will drop you a PM

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