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post #5251 of 7966

I'm listening to my T1 as well at the moment. I love them. They are pretty similar to the DT880 but they are just better across the range. And the bass is so freaking fast.

 

I'm still waiting to get my Wyred 4 Sound DAC2 delivered, I can no longer wait :(

 

By the way, the SPL auditor is a really good amp with the T1 for what it worth (since it's the only amp I have ever tried).

post #5252 of 7966
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regardless of whether you like it or not volume should not be an issue. It has never come up on this thread as a problem and also on the woo thread i have never heard of it, which leads me to thinking that something was not right along the chain. Unfortunatley now your opinion is tainted and i find that this can be hard to reverse, speaking from past experience. 

My opinion of the WA2,perhaps is tainted,primarily because the only shop Im aware of that demos it was where I heard it under perform yesterday,so I might never get to hear it correctly.

My opinion of the T1 however is unwavering....I love them!

post #5253 of 7966
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My opinion of the WA2,perhaps is tainted,primarily because the only shop Im aware of that demos it was where I heard it under perform yesterday,so I might never get to hear it correctly.

My opinion of the T1 however is unwavering....I love them!

same here i love them too. I was listening to paul simon last night, his second album album - "paul simon"- the song "Me and Julio Down by the Schoolyard" I was not expecting it to sound as amazing as it did. I have the T1's about 2 months now and they still blow me away from time to time. I had no idea that the bass on that track stuck out as much, when it kicked in i was like - What the ****?!

post #5254 of 7966

Just demo'd the T1 (and HD650s) with a HiFi M8

Reaction?!?

WOW on both phones,though the T1s are in a totally different class!!!!!

post #5255 of 7966
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Just demo'd the T1 (and HD650s) with a HiFi M8

Reaction?!?

WOW on both phones,though the T1s are in a totally different class!!!!!

I have both and they are a different class

post #5256 of 7966

Is it just me or do I just not "get" it about the 650's?  They do nothing for me.

post #5257 of 7966
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Is it just me or do I just not "get" it about the 650's?  They do nothing for me.

 

 

I'm on the different side lol. I have both as well, but I wouldn't consider T1's in a different league. In my setup they're probably similar overall, just different in signature. T1's are slightly better, yes, but not a major difference, I could easily live with HD650's only. In fact, I'd probably more easily live with just the HD650's than with just the T1's.

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Is it just me or do I just not "get" it about the 650's?  They do nothing for me.

+ 1 did nothing for me either, although I had to hear better to realize it.

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I'm on the different side lol. I have both as well, but I wouldn't consider T1's in a different league. In my setup they're probably similar overall, just different in signature. T1's are slightly better, yes, but not a major difference, I could easily live with HD650's only. In fact, I'd probably more easily live with just the HD650's than with just the T1's.

I have to admit, when I listened to the 650's I know they were underpowered...plus I much prefer a less warm, more detailed sound.  One day I'll have to give them a better shot.

post #5260 of 7966
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Is it just me or do I just not "get" it about the 650's?  They do nothing for me.

 

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+ 1 did nothing for me either, although I had to hear better to realize it.

 

+2 .... All I needed to hear was the HD600 ..... it made me realize I need more sound energy "up there" than the 650 offers.

post #5261 of 7966
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+ 1 did nothing for me either, although I had to hear better to realize it.

I get it...ive read many a glowing report on the 650,and I think alot of it has to do with its association with the 600...IMO prolly the best HP for the $

My main beef with the 650 is it requires an amp 2x's the price of the phone to make it sound good

post #5262 of 7966
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I have to admit, when I listened to the 650's I know they were underpowered...plus I much prefer a less warm, more detailed sound.  One day I'll have to give them a better shot.

 

 

IMHO its impossible to compare the two headphones side by side.  They should be keept the far away from each other like matter and antimatter. Because if you A-B the two, HD650 will lose, every time. As it loses against DT880 or K701, or even some technically inferior, but bright headphone, at least for for me. It just seems like its too thick and somewhat veiled when you compare them directly to bright headphones, which often fool you and make you think they have more detail, or  more clarity, but that's not always the case. All I know is that when I listen to HD650's for lets say 3-4 days in a row, they impress me more than when I listen to T1's for a few days, to get totally used to their sound signature. I've never had a single WOW moment with T1's. Might be because I don't have a high end amp, but from past experiences with various headphones, I don't think they'd totally transform and do a night and day shift, and thats what they need to do in order to impress me or justify their price. As of now, if DT880's cost 350 dollars, then IMHO T1's aren't worth more than 500.  Diminishing returns is strong in this one. :P

post #5263 of 7966
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Originally Posted by monsterzero View Post

I get it...ive read many a glowing report on the 650,and I think alot of it has to do with its association with the 600...IMO prolly the best HP for the $

My main beef with the 650 is it requires an amp 2x's the price of the phone to make it sound good

 

 

Nah it doesn't. Thats a total misconception, its a very easy headphone to power for todays amp in the 300-400 dollar price range, far easier than K701 for example. As long as your amp is not colored or technically weak (lots of distortion, noise, channel imbalance), and can output some 100 mW into 400-500 ohm, you're set. Maybe it needed a high end (price-wise) amp when it came out years ago, and most headphone amps out there were crap, but not today. They even sound very good out of a integrated speaker amp or a receiver, you don't even need a separate headphone amp due to the high impedance.  Tried out myself. Compared to MF M1HPA, any 300-400$ receiver or integrated amp will sound almost identical, and if you look at some amp/dac combos like Asus Essence One for example, HD650's sound even better out of most "real" gear. I'm not saying it wont sound better out of a really high end headphone amp that suits it perfectly in terms of sound signature, but I'm saying it never sounds bad. No matter what I plug it into, apart from being louder / quieter, it never ever sounds bad, or especially different. It has a character and it holds on to it. Gear can't change that much, and if it does, then the gear is highly colored.

 

 

The issue with HD650's is that you need to give them time to grow on you.  They have a very specific sound signature that might sound dark at first, but thats only because most headphones are overly bright. The so called "flat" headphones like most Beyers or AKG's, are simply too bright. Compared to a good neutral sounding speaker system, HD650 come much closer to that sound than T1's for example, which tend to sound weird sometimes, as if they're boomy, but not really full sounding. I guess thats the cup resonance a lot people complain about.  A lot of headphones simply artificially boost up a lot of frequency areas to make them seem more detailed, while in fact you dont hear anything extra on them, you just hear those details louder. HD650's don't do that, and that's why every A-B comparison between it and any other headphone, even the HD600, makes them lose and makes it seem like they sound worse.

 

I might just be a HD650 fanboy, but out of my entire headphone collection, they get the most head time for serious listening. Every other headphone, including the T1's, I could easily sell if someone offered a good price on them, but HD650, nah, I'd keep them.


Edited by derbigpr - 8/28/13 at 9:58am
post #5264 of 7966
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Nah it doesn't. Thats a total misconception. Maybe it needed a high end (price-wise) amp when it came out, and most headphone amps out there were crap, but not today. They even sound very good out of a integrated speaker amp or a receiver, you don't even need a separate headphone amp due to the high impedance.  Tried out myself. Compared to MF M1HPA, any 300-400$ receiver or integrated amp will sound almost identical, and if you look at some amp/dac combos like Asus Essence One for example, HD650's sound even better out of most "real" gear.

My main focus is mobile and Ive tried quite a few mobile amps ,Sony PHA-1,Furutech X1,Continental amongst others and the 650's bass always sounded a mess...The HiFi M8 changed my mind on the 650s,but not enough to keep me from getting the T1

post #5265 of 7966
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Originally Posted by derbigpr View Post

 

 

IMHO its impossible to compare the two headphones side by side.  They should be keept the far away from each other like matter and antimatter. Because if you A-B the two, HD650 will lose, every time. As it loses against DT880 or K701, or even some technically inferior, but bright headphone, at least for for me. It just seems like its too thick and somewhat veiled when you compare them directly to bright headphones, which often fool you and make you think they have more detail, or  more clarity, but that's not always the case. All I know is that when I listen to HD650's for lets say 3-4 days in a row, they impress me more than when I listen to T1's for a few days, to get totally used to their sound signature. I've never had a single WOW moment with T1's. Might be because I don't have a high end amp, but from past experiences with various headphones, I don't think they'd totally transform and do a night and day shift, and thats what they need to do in order to impress me or justify their price. As of now, if DT880's cost 350 dollars, then IMHO T1's aren't worth more than 500.  Diminishing returns is strong in this one. :P

I hear you and I do owe the 650's a second chance.  And I realize that it's apples and oranges between it and the T1's.  On the other hand, I've owned the DT880's 600ohm and the T1's...and see them as apples and oranges too.  You might owe yourself a listen to the T1's on a different amp (preferably a tube amp)....there might still be a WOW moment for you with them after all.  But then again, we all hear things very differently don't we.

(the matter/antimatter thing was great btw)


Edited by billerb1 - 8/28/13 at 10:56am
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