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post #5131 of 10477

Guys i need help from you.

I have T1. And i think they are not sounding as they should. Very bright. Too much highs and on some records without real deep bass. Highs are way too loud.

Some albums sounds so "horrible" that i cant listen with T1. Very "thin" sound. Without any real bass. But some sounds fantastic with them.

I listen only to flac files.

 

I dont know where the problem is.

I have this setup:

 

pc > optical cable (realtek digital out) > modified DacMagic (maybe here is problem) > Meier Audio Concerto amp > T1.

 

 So where do you think is the problem?

 

I will try to connect first amp directly to analog output of soundcard to see if there is big difference in sound.

 

Sorry for bad english.

post #5132 of 10477
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Originally Posted by DutchGFX View Post

Just got my T1's today. They sound OKAY on my Emotiva A100x. I am sending my Soloist in for repair (got broken when shipping to a buyer) . Anyone have an impressions of Soloist and T1?

 

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Originally Posted by philo50 View Post

I had that combination for quite a while and thought it was terrific.....the Soloist has enough power to do the T1's justice

 

Ditto ..... on the Conductor, wonderful.

post #5133 of 10477

The DacMagic could be the culprit, but there are others too. Feeding your DAC via that Xonar D2 is going to result in alot of jitter, and thats been proven. I would recommend a USB-SPDIF converter like iFi or Kingrex are some good ones that are reasonable. Second, are you using WASAPI or ASIO output from your music player? Have you tried USB output? Do you have all EQ turned off?

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Originally Posted by ElephantTLK View Post

Guys i need help from you.

I have T1. And i think they are not sounding as they should. Very bright. Too much highs and on some records without real deep bass. Highs are way too loud.

Some albums sounds so "horrible" that i cant listen with T1. Very "thin" sound. Without any real bass. But some sounds fantastic with them.

I listen only to flac files.

 

I dont know where the problem is.

I have this setup:

 

pc > optical cable (realtek digital out) > modified DacMagic (maybe here is problem) > Meier Audio Concerto amp > T1.

 

 So where do you think is the problem?

 

I will try to connect first amp directly to analog output of soundcard to see if there is big difference in sound.

 

Sorry for bad english.

post #5134 of 10477
Quote:
Originally Posted by ElephantTLK View Post

Guys i need help from you.

I have T1. And i think they are not sounding as they should. Very bright. Too much highs and on some records without real deep bass. Highs are way too loud.

Some albums sounds so "horrible" that i cant listen with T1. Very "thin" sound. Without any real bass. But some sounds fantastic with them.

I listen only to flac files.

 

I dont know where the problem is.

I have this setup:

 

pc > optical cable (realtek digital out) > modified DacMagic (maybe here is problem) > Meier Audio Concerto amp > T1.

 

 So where do you think is the problem?

 

I will try to connect first amp directly to analog output of soundcard to see if there is big difference in sound.

 

Sorry for bad english.

Hi there!

 

In spite of the fact that the T1s have many very good operating characteristics, they DO have a significant boost in the treble range of 5-9 dB depending on various conditions. These peaks can be seen in the waterfall graphs in post:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/574139/t1-channel-imbalance-and-beyer-tesla-headphone-variance-issues#post_7794454

 

You will also notice that there is a lot of retained and jumbled energy and resonances in that same region. Bottom line is that if you have the wrong sources feeding the T1 or something that is tilted up in the treble, It is definitely possible to get a rather grainy (and even sibilant) top end on them. If your source has a grainy output in this region, the T1 will simply exacerbate it (one reason that many folks like to use a tubed amp for these phones). And of course when you turn the volume down to reduce the hash, you eliminate your bottom end.

 

So you do need a source that is very clean on the top end. Also, because of the shape of the impedance curve for the T1 and it's values (hits 1300 ohms in the upper bass), if you have an amp with an output impedance that is not 0 (i.e., anywhere from 40-100 ohms) it will tilt the treble down a very small bit that can also improve the sound. The Concerto is a <1 ohm amp if I recall but from what I've heard it is very clean so I would check out the DAC and PC SW first.

 

- Jeff


Edited by wisemanja - 8/17/13 at 10:36am
post #5135 of 10477

@ElephantTLK,  while the T1s can be aggressively "active" up top, i can almost say for sure the harshness & graininess is due to upstream ancillary gear. 

 

fed decently well, i find T1 amazing & are the equal of the HD800 (& perhaps any dynamics at any price). so look for weaknesses in source & amplification is best i can say.

post #5136 of 10477
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Originally Posted by ElephantTLK View Post

Guys i need help from you.

I have T1. And i think they are not sounding as they should. Very bright. Too much highs and on some records without real deep bass. Highs are way too loud.

Some albums sounds so "horrible" that i cant listen with T1. Very "thin" sound. Without any real bass. But some sounds fantastic with them.

I listen only to flac files.

 

I dont know where the problem is.

I have this setup:

 

pc > optical cable (realtek digital out) > modified DacMagic (maybe here is problem) > Meier Audio Concerto amp > T1.

 

 So where do you think is the problem?

 

I will try to connect first amp directly to analog output of soundcard to see if there is big difference in sound.

 

Sorry for bad english.

How do the Senns HD595 or DT880 sound with that set up?

post #5137 of 10477
I would say the problem is with the amp.
Generally T1 loves tube, as tubes can generate high voltage necessary to push that 600 ohms b*tt, right scottiebabie? biggrin.gif
Not that concerto is bad, but bad matching.
post #5138 of 10477
Thread Starter 

Yo Gents,

 

What's new? I've been a bit dormant recently. Picked up a DT990 Pro and have sorely missed one since I sold my 600Ohm model two years back.

post #5139 of 10477
Quote:
Originally Posted by ElephantTLK View Post

Guys i need help from you.

I have T1. And i think they are not sounding as they should. Very bright. Too much highs and on some records without real deep bass. Highs are way too loud.

Some albums sounds so "horrible" that i cant listen with T1. Very "thin" sound. Without any real bass. But some sounds fantastic with them.

I listen only to flac files.

 

I dont know where the problem is.

I have this setup:

 

pc > optical cable (realtek digital out) > modified DacMagic (maybe here is problem) > Meier Audio Concerto amp > T1.

 

 So where do you think is the problem?

 

I will try to connect first amp directly to analog output of soundcard to see if there is big difference in sound.

 

Sorry for bad english.

 

Ultimately, I would say the T1 is probably the source of the problem. The T1 is a very bright sounding headphone overall. Probably one of the brightest. 

post #5140 of 10477
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Originally Posted by elwappo99 View Post

 

Ultimately, I would say the T1 is probably the source of the problem. The T1 is a very bright sounding headphone overall. Probably one of the brightest. 

 

I disagree. The T1 obviously has the large spike at 8-9kHz, but is otherwise not that bright. Transparent and revealing, yes, but there are much brighter headphones out there (in the Beyer range alone there's T90, DT990, etc.) The T1s present a warmer overall sound than headphones like the HD800 even if the HD800 doesn't have such a severe treble spike.

 

From what I've heard, the Cambridge gear has a tendency towards analytical / sterile sound (i.e. not musical or warm) and jitter will definitely introduce unwanted harshness in the signal which the T1s will absolutely show up. If the T1s are at fault here I would suggest it's from being revealing of the issues in the chain, not being overly bright to start with.

post #5141 of 10477
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Originally Posted by Loquah View Post

 

I disagree. The T1 obviously has the large spike at 8-9kHz, but is otherwise not that bright. Transparent and revealing, yes, but there are much brighter headphones out there (in the Beyer range alone there's T90, DT990, etc.) The T1s present a warmer overall sound than headphones like the HD800 even if the HD800 doesn't have such a severe treble spike.

 

From what I've heard, the Cambridge gear has a tendency towards analytical / sterile sound (i.e. not musical or warm) and jitter will definitely introduce unwanted harshness in the signal which the T1s will absolutely show up. If the T1s are at fault here I would suggest it's from being revealing of the issues in the chain, not being overly bright to start with.

There have been reports of "bright" T1s out in the wild, so maybe you're both right? I would consider them not bright based on the pair that I owned.

post #5142 of 10477
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Originally Posted by Loquah View Post

 

I disagree. The T1 obviously has the large spike at 8-9kHz, but is otherwise not that bright. Transparent and revealing, yes, but there are much brighter headphones out there (in the Beyer range alone there's T90, DT990, etc.) The T1s present a warmer overall sound than headphones like the HD800 even if the HD800 doesn't have such a severe treble spike.

 

 

+1

 

Add the T70 as on the brightest headphone out there as well IMO.  My T1s are not bright.  Maybe it's my cable I have no idea.  But they are pretty warm, detailed and very revealing.

post #5143 of 10477
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Originally Posted by Loquah View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by elwappo99 View Post

 

Ultimately, I would say the T1 is probably the source of the problem. The T1 is a very bright sounding headphone overall. Probably one of the brightest. 

 

I disagree. The T1 obviously has the large spike at 8-9kHz, but is otherwise not that bright. Transparent and revealing, yes, but there are much brighter headphones out there (in the Beyer range alone there's T90, DT990, etc.) The T1s present a warmer overall sound than headphones like the HD800 even if the HD800 doesn't have such a severe treble spike.

 

From what I've heard, the Cambridge gear has a tendency towards analytical / sterile sound (i.e. not musical or warm) and jitter will definitely introduce unwanted harshness in the signal which the T1s will absolutely show up. If the T1s are at fault here I would suggest it's from being revealing of the issues in the chain, not being overly bright to start with.

 

 

This is a pretty contradictory statement. That much energy in the treble is a pretty clear indication of its brightness. Consequently, one of the reasons it may appear to be revealing is due to the treble heat (ala ultrasone). 

 

I'm not saying for certain that the "bright" sound is not from the DAC, however in terms of largest weight of sound in this system, headphones play a large role. Blaming the DAC may have this member end up spending money that won't solve the issue. 


Edited by elwappo99 - 8/17/13 at 8:52pm
post #5144 of 10477
Quote:
Originally Posted by elwappo99 View Post

 

 

This is a pretty contradictory statement. That much energy in the treble is a pretty clear indication of its brightness. Consequently, one of the reasons it may appear to be revealing is due to the treble heat (ala ultrasone). 

 

I'm not saying for certain that the "bright" sound is not from the DAC, however in terms of largest weight of sound in this system, headphones play a large role. Blaming the DAC may have this member end up spending money that won't solve the issue. 

 

Blaming a $300 DAC seems a lot cheaper to me than blaming $1200 headphones confused.gif

 

And a single spike doesn't make a bright headphone, it's about the overall shape of the frequency response curve. The T1's substantial bass and midrange presence more than offset the single peak at 8-9kHz. I'm not saying they're mellow and laidback like HD650s, but they're not hyper-bright. I really don't enjoy bright headphones (really disliked T90s and a number of Ultrasones for their treble energy), but I flat out love the T1s. That doesn't mean everyone should like them, but I think describing them as bright is potentially misleading and I would definitely test (not buy) some other sources and equipment before taking a loss on $1200 headphones.

post #5145 of 10477
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Originally Posted by Loquah View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by elwappo99 View Post

 

 

This is a pretty contradictory statement. That much energy in the treble is a pretty clear indication of its brightness. Consequently, one of the reasons it may appear to be revealing is due to the treble heat (ala ultrasone). 

 

I'm not saying for certain that the "bright" sound is not from the DAC, however in terms of largest weight of sound in this system, headphones play a large role. Blaming the DAC may have this member end up spending money that won't solve the issue. 

 

Blaming a $300 DAC seems a lot cheaper to me than blaming $1200 headphones confused.gif

 

And a single spike doesn't make a bright headphone, it's about the overall shape of the frequency response curve. The T1's substantial bass and midrange presence more than offset the single peak at 8-9kHz. I'm not saying they're mellow and laidback like HD650s, but they're not hyper-bright. I really don't enjoy bright headphones (really disliked T90s and a number of Ultrasones for their treble energy), but I flat out love the T1s. That doesn't mean everyone should like them, but I think describing them as bright is potentially misleading and I would definitely test (not buy) some other sources and equipment before taking a loss on $1200 headphones.

 

The point is, don't blame the DAC if it isn't the actual cuplrit. 

 

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