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post #4711 of 7925
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Originally Posted by CantScareMe View Post

 

I was thinking of bending the metal that was there but decided against it as it could permanently damage the phone. The picture above shows what I mean!


When you stretch it, it's still that metal adjustable parts that give, not headband itself. Jut be careful, not sure what DG was doing with his pair.

post #4712 of 7925
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Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post

i knew this would happen someday.... the frame bends easily and gets weak cause of the "t1" text that has been cut out. i literally just removed them and felt the metal bend out and it just kinda broke out of nowhere.

 

oh well, hope beyerdynamic will fix it quickly. last time i was without T1 for like 2 months frown.gif 2nd time headband has broken.

 

Stop that head pounding to heavy metal Dubstep Girl.

 

Seriously that sucks, I hope you get them back soon.

post #4713 of 7925

yea i hope they honor the guarantee. i hope they don't screw you over seen as the same thing happened you before. 

post #4714 of 7925
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Originally Posted by Andrew_WOT View Post


When you stretch it, it's still that metal adjustable parts that give, not headband itself. Jut be careful, not sure what DG was doing with his pair.

 

the metal, especially when its extended out, is very easy to bend if you drop them or hit against something, also just from using them and whatever. so  today i just took my headphone off, and they literally just broke as i took them off, felt like the metal just decided to split at that point.

 

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Originally Posted by magiccabbage View Post

yea i hope they honor the guarantee. i hope they don't screw you over seen as the same thing happened you before. 

 

yeah, beyerdynamic seems to be good with guarantee's though, so im sure its ok.

post #4715 of 7925
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Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post

 

the metal, especially when its extended out, is very easy to bend if you drop them or hit against something, also just from using them and whatever. so  today i just took my headphone off, and they literally just broke as i took them off, felt like the metal just decided to split at that point.

 

That really sucks, another Beyerdynamic oversight.

Wondering if that ever happened to anyone else.

post #4716 of 7925
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Originally Posted by CantScareMe View Post
 

.... Interestingly enough, I was put off for some time now by the reputation this beyer has of being unbearably bright (ultrasone pro900 style) and having resonance/reverb problems (denon d600/d7100 style). Not true. I first heard it with my gear at a headfi meet earlier this year and knew I would be buying it. After a 300hr burn in (customary period as of what I experienced burn in wise with phonak 232's) and a stretch as well, i'm finally there!

 

I do like the sound that I've been getting on mine as well (about 150 hours in now). The general openess and fun sound aside, here are a few thoughts I've had on the so-called Brightness issue:

 

1) There definitely is a character of the design on these things that, when combined with other factors, can produce a distinct harshness in the 8-14 kHz range. If you look at some of the waterfall graphs that Purrin created at:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/574139/t1-channel-imbalance-and-beyer-tesla-headphone-variance-issues#post_7794454

You can see the distinct boost in that frequency region. You can also see all the headphone resonances at those same frequencies that can further exacerbate the energy reproduction there, especially that lobe at around 7-10 kHz.

 

2) That resonant energy lobe at 7-10 kHz is further going to be worsened by the inner ear canal resonance that everybody has that is usually in that same region. So this is something where the physiological differences between people's ears will likely have a some impact on what they hear in that region. The problem can literally be worst or less depending on the person's ear shapes.

 

3) Source material is obviously gonna make a difference. Poorly engineered recordings including recordings made with poor electronics can have many harmonics in that brightness region which will pump it up with all kinds of edginess.

 

4) The electronics driving the phone obviously contribute as well. I suspect that some solid state gear might also add many odd harmonics that aren't going to sound well. On the other hand, I'm using a HDVD800 which, although solid state, seems to do a good job of toning down those regions. I find that only on a couple of my recordings do I start to get really bad sound there. Also, you do need the voltage swing/power to drive these otherwise they tend to lose their magical capabilities. I've listened to the T1 on some lesser equipment and it sounded completely different (i.e., worst).

 

5) I've played around a bit using a non-parametric equalizer to suck that region around 8 kHz down a bit, which from a tone and harshness standpoint worked very well! However, due to the revealing capabilities of the T1 and the bandwidth of the equalizer channels, the equalizer's affects on phase coherency can be heard as the reduction in soundstage, openess, and an increase in muddiness. This isn't acceptable for my listening so I due without. Haven't tried a good software parametric equalizer. It would be an interesting experiment.

 

The real issue is that everything the T1 does below 7kHz (and some above) is glorious and rather hard to find in other cans, and with good amplification and source available to minimize the "harshness" issue, I'm sticking with them for now.smile.gif

 

- Jeff

post #4717 of 7925
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Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post

yeah, beyerdynamic seems to be good with guarantee's though, so im sure its ok.

 

So has anyone else seen this? The brochure that came with the T1 has this in it:

 

 

But if you "refer to the enclosed brochure to find out more about the guarantee..." it states that the warranty is only 2 years.

 

I've actually seen the reference to a 5 year warranty in another place, but I cannot remember where it was. I would like to find it again.

 

- Jeff

post #4718 of 7925
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Originally Posted by wisemanja View Post

 

So has anyone else seen this? The brochure that came with the T1 has this in it:

 

 

But if you "refer to the enclosed brochure to find out more about the guarantee..." it states that the warranty is only 2 years.

 

I've actually seen the reference to a 5 year warranty in another place, but I cannot remember where it was. I would like to find it again.

 

- Jeff

maybe it is 2 years warranty from the seller and five from beyerdynamic. 

post #4719 of 7925
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Originally Posted by magiccabbage View Post

maybe it is 2 years warranty from the seller and five from beyerdynamic. 

That's the way I am interpreting this.  Just reread my guarantee and it has the same exact terms.  It would boggle my mind if three or four years from now my HP snaps like that and Beyer would refuse to back their product.

post #4720 of 7925
wen i called last time, they said its 2
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seriously.... I have been looking out to get some Denon brand headphones someday but reading that they no longer have parts for their newly discontinued headphones makes me believe that this company is not worth it. I wouldn't expect such low standards from high-end audio companies....

 

Wow.

post #4722 of 7925
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Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post

wen i called last time, they said its 2

I hope yours are still covered within the last two years.  If its been more than two years I find the language in the warranty confusing enough I would challenge anything but full coverage up to the 5th year.  Why would that letter even be in the HP package.

post #4723 of 7925

Yeah, Inasafeplace, I loved my Denon D-5000's...they were the first "real" headphones I owned.  I was/am stunned that a company of that size would

be so dismissive to a customer.  The conclusion that they couldn't help me that matter of factly was insulting.  I cannot believe that if they wanted to they

could not find a replacement speaker for such a recent model headphone.  They didn't WANT to find the speaker.  They did offer to get me in touch with

one of their representatives to help me if I was interested in purchasing a "replacement" headphone.  You can't make this stuff up.

Beyond that, I can't get them to respond to whether they have even shipped my terminally ill D5000's back and how much I owe them for their top-notch

handling of my problem.  I already paid for shipping, a $65 non-refundable 'estimate' fee and am responsible for the return shipping.  I've sent 2 emails and

left a voice message.  For all I know, they've just thrown my babies in the garbage. 

So yeah, I'd think twice about buying from Denon.

post #4724 of 7925
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Originally Posted by Andrew_WOT View Post

That really sucks, another Beyerdynamic oversight.

Wondering if that ever happened to anyone else.

 

Oversight of what? The fact that people would stretch the headband to apoiint where it breaks? Was the main purpose of these to be unbreakable? Were they advertised as unbreakable? This is user fault and not the manufacturer's fault. It is cllear to me that DG was playing with them and sometimes tthat is how it ends.

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Edit:  BTW, tell me about the upgrade.  How much and why wouldn't I regret it, lol.  See, I KNEW this would happen !!!

 

Hello again!  Are you still falling ever more deeply in love with your new T1?  I've had my pair since late September of 2010, and I'm still enamored!  

 

As for the cable upgrade, everything just becomes even more transparent.  So, if you detect any graininess, the Aphrodite Cu29 upgrade would likely erased... "erased from existence."  (Sorry for the BTTF quote that creeped in there...)

 

Robert was a genuine pleasure to work with, so much so that I have repeated gone back to him for advice and, yes, for more products.  The Quad Zeus 24 (AWG 24) is $269 and the Quad Zeus 22 is $319; both of those are 6 feet in length.  Don't get me wrong, the T1 is wonderful even without an upgrade, but the cable upgrade, in my view, makes them even better.  smile_phones.gif

 

A couple of links for you: 

 

http://aphroditecu29.com/Zeus/Zeus_Headphone_Cable.aspx

 

http://aphroditecu29.com/Zeus/OCC_Copper_Headphone_Cable.aspx

 

Feel free to PM me if you have any questions.  

 

Cheers!   

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