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I think I have the bass heavy version as well since mine has a very HD600ish sound to it. Nice smooth treble and full mids with tight and impactful bass. It's odd there are two variations out there, just like with the 600Ohm DT770.
 


But they appear to be out there in parallel this time?
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Thanks for more details.  However, even with the new drivers I will not say my T1 is HD650-like, far from it (at least to me).  I have not heard 650 but 600, and felt it was not my cup of tea.  I probably will not enjoy T1 as much if it is 650-like.  So I still feel that my T1 is much improved DT880/600 (BTW, I have never felt DT880 bright or edgy at all).  My T1 has higher resolution, more forward mid, and well-defined and controlled bass with better impact comparing to my DT880.  With some poor recording, I enjoy DT880 better since it makes such defect less apparent. DT880 is also very good for long-time (like 8-hours straight) listening.

 

But for properly recorded music and good DAC, my current T1 definitely offers different level of enjoyment. 

 

Again, the change of SQ between my driver replacement was on less edgy high and better lower end, but the SQ trend was still there.  No so dramatic to me but significant enough to help me enjoy T1 more.  I suspect that Beyer did not intentionally change the SQ and the changes may come from batch variation and listener's comprehension.
 



 


By 650 like I mean that they have a 650 like tone, which is a good thing. I'm not saying that they sound just like 650s.   My new T-1s have more bass emphasis than treble, which as Macedonianhero said, is on the warm side of neutral.  The extension and resolution of the T-1s is much better than the 650s, as is the spacial effects from mounting the drivers at an angle..... so rather than being bright like my '03 880s, (which don't have this amount of bass), they are more like 650s improved....  

 

But I just got them back, so I'll give it another go at a comparison.....

 

Regarding the 880s:  mine are on their 6th pair of ear pads.  the 650s are only on their second pair and my 701s haven't been used enough to matter.  Yep, the 880s are the go to headphone for long hours of listening.... but I have to tell you that I had the new T-1s on last night for a couple of cable movies and with the new headband, they weren't all that bad....  They never disappeared like the 880s do, but the spacial characteristics made up for the extra weight.

 

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By 650 like I mean that they have a 650 like tone, which is a good thing. I'm not saying that they sound just like 650s.   My new T-1s have more bass emphasis than treble, which as Macedonianhero said, is on the warm side of neutral.  The extension and resolution of the T-1s is much better than the 650s, as is the spacial effects from mounting the drivers at an angle..... so rather than being bright like my '03 880s, (which don't have this amount of bass), they are more like 650s improved....  

 

But I just got them back, so I'll give it another go at a comparison.....

 

Regarding the 880s:  mine are on their 6th pair of ear pads.  the 650s are only on their second pair and my 701s haven't been used enough to matter.  Yep, the 880s are the go to headphone for long hours of listening.... but I have to tell you that I had the new T-1s on last night for a couple of cable movies and with the new headband, they weren't all that bad....  They never disappeared like the 880s do, but the spacial characteristics made up for the extra weight.

 


The comfort of the DT880s is outstanding...next to the HD800s, they are Number #2 with me on the comfort level. Number # would be the D7000s.
Edited by MacedonianHero - 6/2/11 at 7:30pm
post #469 of 10478
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Hm?? I don't get what you mean, sorry but it's been a very tiring day and my mind is spent. I have an older model with the serial number 1337.
 

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I think I have the bass heavy version as well since mine has a very HD600ish sound to it. Nice smooth treble and full mids with tight and impactful bass. It's odd there are two variations out there, just like with the 600Ohm DT770.
 


But they appear to be out there in parallel this time?
post #470 of 10478
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Hm?? I don't get what you mean, sorry but it's been a very tiring day and my mind is spent. I have an older model with the serial number 1337.
 


Usually there is a shift in production...from one flavour to the next. Like bass lite K1000s and then at serial number XXXX the manufacturer ups the bass...et voila...bass heavy after a serial number XXXX+1.

Here it seems we have both bright and warm T1s at the same time. (My serial number is 1123).
post #471 of 10478
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Yeah so I've heard with the T1 that there are two different versions. The DT770 has both versions out there at the same time which is odd IMO.
 

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Hm?? I don't get what you mean, sorry but it's been a very tiring day and my mind is spent. I have an older model with the serial number 1337.
 


Usually there is a shift in production...from one flavour to the next. Like bass lite K1000s and then at serial number XXXX the manufacturer ups the bass...et voila...bass heavy after a serial number XXXX+1.

Here it seems we have both bright and warm T1s at the same time. (My serial number is 1123).
post #472 of 10478

If there was a change that made some of the later ones brighter, that would explain the sometimes large differences in people's opinion on these headphones, I suppose.  And I am sure glad I got a bassier pair, again, if there is a variation, as opposed to just people hearing differently.

 

Unfortunately, until and unless someone compares two samples side by side and hears differences, this will just be conjecture.

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You were one of the people I was referring to in the bold type above.  You got bassy ones right away.  So did Skylab.  But  just as many got bright ones.  Pataburd, Asr, dukja, and myself come to mind off the top of my head.....


I'll tell ya Peter, too many people have posted about having bright T-1s for it to be just my defective pair.....

 

My new T-1s sound exactly as you describe.  Plenty of bass, treble on the warm side of neutral and not fatiguing... except I have the new headband.... biggrin.gif

 

It will be interesting to see if the new ones are all the bassy versions.

 




Very peculiar indeed Eric. Usually bass light and heavy happen at a particular time via a change by the manufacturer. But Skylab's and my pair are older than yours, Pata's, Asr's and dukja's? I believe you on the too many others have had similar sounding T1s too...very strange. confused.gif

The new headband does look nice though. Glad you finally got that issue settled buddy!


Very peculiar indeed Peter.
 

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If there was a change that made some of the later ones brighter, that would explain the sometimes large differences in people's opinion on these headphones, I suppose.  And I am sure glad I got a bassier pair, again, if there is a variation, as opposed to just people hearing differently.

 

Unfortunately, until and unless someone compares two samples side by side and hears differences, this will just be conjecture.

 

Perhaps not complete conjecture....  I made a series of foobar EQ curves to adjust the original T-1s to a more balanced frequency response.   I do this for all my headphones.  Here, take a look.

 

Some representative EQ curves for the 701s

 

701 1.jpg 701 2.jpg

 

For the 880s  (the first pic on the left was a compilation of my experiments with bass and mid-range boost)

 

880 1.jpg 880 2.jpg 880 3.jpg

 

For the 650s

 

senn 1.jpg senn 2.jpg

 

For the original T-1s

 

t-1 curve.jpg

 

Two things:

 

First, even though these are my adjustments you can clearly see that the 701 benefited from a bass boost, that the 650s needed a little more treble and the 880s a little more bass and mid-range.  You can also see that the T-1s, relative to the other headphones, were bass light and too bright.  I haven't made any EQ curves for the replacement T-1s yet, but they already sound like the original T-1 EQ curve looks, so an EQ curve for them would be in the opposite direction.  Treble boost and maybe a tad of bass cut.

 

Second, the only headphone I regularly EQ is the 701.

 


 

 

post #474 of 10478

My T-1s are on the warm side of neutral.  Serial No. 1305.  They are very comfortable but, as Skylab notes, they are not as comfortable as the DT880 or HD800.

post #475 of 10478

Maybe this can be explained by various stages of burnin, different amps, sources and hearing. I mean it seems strange for them to change the drivers quickly after release and then later on change it back again, sounds like they should have had more development time if that is really the case. Mine is in the 4500's and to me it sounds like an upgraded HD600.

post #476 of 10478

I finally pulled the trigger and ordered a Beyerdynamic T1, will arrive here in Sweden in a couple of days. I'm hoping the T1 will be a nice little upgrade from my DT880/600ohm normal_smile%20.gif

According to some user reviews I have seen, the T1 is supposedly easier to drive than the DT880/600, is that correct?

 

I really can't afford buying a new amp too right now, I will be stuck with my old setup for some time (Asus Xonar STX > Little Country III with Gold Lion tubes). This amp has served me well thus far, and I think the sound is excellent with my current DT880/600 headphones. But I guess I'm easily impressed, because I have never heard any more expensive headphone amps. As I lack a point of reference, anyone here auditioned the T1 with the Little Country III amp with good tubes, and can objectively say how it performs compared to other amps?.

post #477 of 10478
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Originally Posted by Sesam View Post

I finally pulled the trigger and ordered a Beyerdynamic T1, will arrive here in Sweden in a couple of days. I'm hoping the T1 will be a nice little upgrade from my DT880/600ohm normal_smile%20.gif

According to some user reviews I have seen, the T1 is supposedly easier to drive than the DT880/600, is that correct?

 

I really can't afford buying a new amp too right now, I will be stuck with my old setup for some time (Asus Xonar STX > Little Country III with Gold Lion tubes). This amp has served me well thus far, and I think the sound is excellent with my current DT880/600 headphones. But I guess I'm easily impressed, because I have never heard any more expensive headphone amps. As I lack a point of reference, anyone here auditioned the T1 with the Little Country III amp with good tubes, and can objectively say how it performs compared to other amps?.


You amp should power them ok. But these are $1300 headphones and they are quite a bit more revealing of what you have upstream (amp/dac/source) than the DT880s. So down the road, you really should consider some upgrades. Sorry your wallet had to hear this.
post #478 of 10478
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Originally Posted by XLR1 View Post

My T-1s are on the warm side of neutral.  Serial No. 1305.  They are very comfortable but, as Skylab notes, they are not as comfortable as the DT880 or HD800.


I don't recall ever saying that the T1 are less comfortable than the HD-800, but if I did, I retract it. The T1 are slightly more comfortable that the HD-800 in my opinion.
post #479 of 10478
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post

You amp should power them ok. But these are $1300 headphones and they are quite a bit more revealing of what you have upstream (amp/dac/source) than the DT880s. So down the road, you really should consider some upgrades. Sorry your wallet had to hear this.


 

Damn this cursed site, I would have been better off not knowing about all the fantastic audio gear out there. So when thinking about it, I just could not stand the thought of not getting the full potential out of the T1's. So I actually ordered a WooAudio WA22 amp, there goes this years tax refund money :P

 

post #480 of 10478
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Damn this cursed site, I would have been better off not knowing about all the fantastic audio gear out there. So when thinking about it, I just could not stand the thought of not getting the full potential out of the T1's. So I actually ordered a WooAudio WA22 amp, there goes this years tax refund money :P

 



haha! i thikn that mirrors many ppls experience on here. congrats on the puchase.  at least it was only tax refund money, not savings or nething.

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