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But you will never know that T1 is truly the best unless you lived with others for some time.  wink.gif

 

My T1 + Phoenix + Ref-7 have yet to be beat (for me).  Plus Phoenix serves as excellent preamp.  It is really a highly flexible, cost-effective, and well sounding gem.

 

Let's see if HE-6 or sr-407 will hold for their own place. popcorn.gif
 

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Originally Posted by Frank I View Post

They are very close in signature to each other but I need to use the HE6 on the SX980 to get the best out of them and can use the T1 on my SET OTL CSP-2 a perfect synergy as I owned them once before and will be back where I love the most and thats my tube amps. I kept the SX650 and am using it while my Tube amps are at decware now so I have the T1 shipping tomorrow. The funny thing I went throug all the flagships and now am back exactly where I started  and should be as happy asd I was last year.

 



 

post #452 of 10478
Ok. Took me a couple of days to play around a bit and come up with some more data to respond to some of the great suggestions you have made

First off I do really like the t1s however they haven't won me over as the keeper yet. I do need to try other source amp comparisons as well. One other poster mentioned whether I would like the sound signature and to try Eq. I did that and I found my preference was basically moderate emphasis on treble and bass. Given all the comments that the t1s may sound bright that really makes me wonder if it is my amp. I looked for a match in the terminology that I can come up with is tinny or Telephony. Any thoughts on whether this would be a symptom of under driving?

I need to figure out a way to try a tube amp just to hear the difference however I'm a little concerned about going that route given the little ones in my house. Right now I can try the a1 or desktop ultra with return policy or I could try a Meier from the for sale section. I suspect if I tried any of those I'd have a better idea of the true signaturevof the phones and whether it's my amp or not

I suppose given that I live in Seattle I could try going over to bottle head for a listen as well to get an idea of tube sound
post #453 of 10478
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Originally Posted by ronrad View Post

Ok. Took me a couple of days to play around a bit and come up with some more data to respond to some of the great suggestions you have made

First off I do really like the t1s however they haven't won me over as the keeper yet. I do need to try other source amp comparisons as well. One other poster mentioned whether I would like the sound signature and to try Eq. I did that and I found my preference was basically moderate emphasis on treble and bass. Given all the comments that the t1s may sound bright that really makes me wonder if it is my amp. I looked for a match in the terminology that I can come up with is tinny or Telephony. Any thoughts on whether this would be a symptom of under driving?

I need to figure out a way to try a tube amp just to hear the difference however I'm a little concerned about going that route given the little ones in my house. Right now I can try the a1 or desktop ultra with return policy or I could try a Meier from the for sale section. I suspect if I tried any of those I'd have a better idea of the true signaturevof the phones and whether it's my amp or not

I suppose given that I live in Seattle I could try going over to bottle head for a listen as well to get an idea of tube sound


Hi ronrad

 

OK, here's what I know.  My first T-1s were serial # 17XX and they were bright and bass light. I called them souped up 880s because they had a sound signature that was very similar to my '03 880s, but brighter. After a number of months, the left earphone died and Beyer recently replaced them with serial #45XX. 

 

The replacement headphone is a completely different animal from the first one.  Its sound signature most closely resembles my 650s in treble and bass, but with more extension and resolution, so I'm calling these the 650s improved.  They still have the spacial characteristics of the first T-1s, but the tone is much better..... more 650 like.

 

There is no mistaking the prodigious bass these replacements have and the toned down treble. 

 

The headband has also been changed and no longer creates a sore spot on the top of my head.

 

So, apparently there are two versions of the T-1s out there.  The bright "souped up 880" versions and the bassy "650 improved" versions.

 

USG

post #454 of 10478

Similar conspiracy theory with HD-800? popcorn.gif

 

Not trying to argue with it, just wonder how many data points (pairs of T1) have your had/compared to get such speculation?

 

My T1 is #19XX and did sound fatigue with brighter recording.  And my T1 driver also happened to be damaged (edit: my fault) and I have pay for the driver replacement in pair.  The new driver came in around Jan 2011.  After missing it for two months, I like the T1 with new drivers better: the highs are less edgy than I remembered and the bass has more volume and impact.  That was the time I finally replace my beloved DT880/600 with T1 as my primary phone for good.   I always contribute such "difference" as my imagination.  It is interesting to hear your story.  However, we may need a lot more reports to sustain any consistent SQ change in new T1.

 

If Frank_I get a new T1, he might be another good data point.
 

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Originally Posted by upstateguy View Post

Hi ronrad

 

OK, here's what I know.  My first T-1s were serial # 17XX and they were bright and bass light. I called them souped up 880s because they had a sound signature that was very similar to my '03 880s, but brighter. After a number of months, the left earphone died and Beyer recently replaced them with serial #45XX. 

 

The replacement headphone is a completely different animal from the first one.  Its sound signature most closely resembles my 650s in treble and bass, but with more extension and resolution, so I'm calling these the 650s improved.  They still have the spacial characteristics of the first T-1s, but the tone is much better..... more 650 like.

 

There is no mistaking the prodigious bass these replacements have and the toned down treble. 

 

The headband has also been changed and no longer creates a sore spot on the top of my head.

 

So, apparently there are two versions of the T-1s out there.  The bright "souped up 880" versions and the bassy "650 improved" versions.

 

USG



 


Edited by dukja - 6/2/11 at 6:42am
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Originally Posted by dukja View Post

But you will never know that T1 is truly the best unless you lived with others for some time.  wink.gif

 

My T1 + Phoenix + Ref-7 have yet to be beat (for me).  Plus Phoenix serves as excellent preamp.  It is really a highly flexible, cost-effective, and well sounding gem.

 

Let's see if HE-6 or sr-407 will hold for their own place. popcorn.gif
 



 


My bet is you will love the HE6 as you have the proper set up to drive them. You also prefer solid state amplification which IMO the HE6 does its best with. I think the HE6 is fantastic but I needed the T1 back because for my gear I prefer the glass bottles over solid state and  while the 6 was good on small scale recordingo n the Taboo it was much much better on the Pioneer but  the T1 is tube friendly on the CSP-2 and the Taboo could not handle classical music which I listen to frequently but the 6 was thunderous and I know you will like them. I am curious to how that 216 NAD is going to sound with more power and look forward to your impressions. You will know soon enough anyway.

 

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Hi ronrad

 

OK, here's what I know.  My first T-1s were serial # 17XX and they were bright and bass light. I called them souped up 880s because they had a sound signature that was very similar to my '03 880s, but brighter. After a number of months, the left earphone died and Beyer recently replaced them with serial #45XX. 

 

The replacement headphone is a completely different animal from the first one.  Its sound signature most closely resembles my 650s in treble and bass, but with more extension and resolution, so I'm calling these the 650s improved.  They still have the spacial characteristics of the first T-1s, but the tone is much better..... more 650 like.

 

There is no mistaking the prodigious bass these replacements have and the toned down treble. 

 

The headband has also been changed and no longer creates a sore spot on the top of my head.

 

So, apparently there are two versions of the T-1s out there.  The bright "souped up 880" versions and the bassy "650 improved" versions.

 

USG



I will let you guys know as my pair is being shipped today so I should have a later model also and will be able to let  you know if I hear any differences over the first pair i had no issues with my first pair and hopefully I wont with the second pair. Canadians ge a 5 yr warranty from Beyer we only get two. Weird but usually if you get failure it happens under warranty so hope this is trouble free.

post #457 of 10478

I'd like to clarify that my T1 was damaged by my mistake, not Beyer's fault.  I was told by Moon Audio, which did my replacement, that I was the 1st one requesting for driver replacement (at least in US).  So T1's driver should be very sturdy and well made.  And Beyer ONLY sale T1's driver in pair for perfect matching.  So if you damage one, you have to pay a pair. 


Edited by dukja - 6/2/11 at 6:47am
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Originally Posted by upstateguy View Post





Hi ronrad

 

OK, here's what I know.  My first T-1s were serial # 17XX and they were bright and bass light. I called them souped up 880s because they had a sound signature that was very similar to my '03 880s, but brighter. After a number of months, the left earphone died and Beyer recently replaced them with serial #45XX. 

 

The replacement headphone is a completely different animal from the first one.  Its sound signature most closely resembles my 650s in treble and bass, but with more extension and resolution, so I'm calling these the 650s improved.  They still have the spacial characteristics of the first T-1s, but the tone is much better..... more 650 like.

 

There is no mistaking the prodigious bass these replacements have and the toned down treble. 

 

The headband has also been changed and no longer creates a sore spot on the top of my head.

 

So, apparently there are two versions of the T-1s out there.  The bright "souped up 880" versions and the bassy "650 improved" versions.

 

USG


eric now you have my interest peaked. I will have to see the serial number I get and make sure it later and it should very well be  as it was a recent open box and is like new from what i was told and I have no reason to  doubt this dealer so we will see when I get it and hopefully my amps will be back soon enough so I can evaluate the sound on my CSP-2

 

post #459 of 10478
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Originally Posted by upstateguy View Post





Hi ronrad

 

OK, here's what I know.  My first T-1s were serial # 17XX and they were bright and bass light. I called them souped up 880s because they had a sound signature that was very similar to my '03 880s, but brighter. After a number of months, the left earphone died and Beyer recently replaced them with serial #45XX. 

 

The replacement headphone is a completely different animal from the first one.  Its sound signature most closely resembles my 650s in treble and bass, but with more extension and resolution, so I'm calling these the 650s improved.  They still have the spacial characteristics of the first T-1s, but the tone is much better..... more 650 like.

 

There is no mistaking the prodigious bass these replacements have and the toned down treble. 

 

The headband has also been changed and no longer creates a sore spot on the top of my head.

 

So, apparently there are two versions of the T-1s out there.  The bright "souped up 880" versions and the bassy "650 improved" versions.

 

USG



i think this is the first time hearing about this.  so the new ones sound "better" to you? maybe the t1 will start to get more recognition as one of the top headphones out as they should.

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Originally Posted by dukja View Post

Similar conspiracy theory with HD-800? popcorn.gif

 

Not trying to argue with it, just wonder how many data points (pairs of T1) have your had/compared to get such speculation?

 

My T1 is #19XX and did sound fatigue with brighter recording.  And my T1 driver also happened to be damaged (edit: my fault) and I have pay for the driver replacement in pair.  The new driver came in around Jan 2011.  After missing it for two months, I like the T1 with new drivers better: the highs are less edgy than I remembered and the bass has more volume and impact.  That was the time I finally replace my beloved DT880/600 with T1 as my primary phone for good.   I always contribute such "difference" as my imagination.  It is interesting to hear your story.  However, we may need a lot more reports to sustain any consistent SQ change in new T1.

 

If Frank_I get a new T1, he might be another good data point.
 



 



Hi dukja

 

The difference between the two headphones is quite pronounced. There is no mistaking it.  The new ones have a noticeable bass presence and a distinct lack of brightness, while the originals were bright to the point where I posted, complaining about it, and I almost sold them because of it. 

 

Now the thing is, it seems that there were people who got the bassier ones the first time around.  Some of the early adopters described their T-1 as 'warm' sounding.  I never could understand that description because my original T-1s were anything but 'warm'.

 

I remember, Asr wrote a review of his T-1s where he said they sounded like 701s.  Although I felt my original T-1s sounded much better than my 701s, I could easily relate to his description because my T-1s were bright and bass light like my 701s.

 

The new T-1s, OTOH, are polar opposites of the 701s and sound very 650 like, with a warm laid back treble (though much more detailed and not laid back to the extent of the 650s) and a prodigious bass, which is in every way superior to the bass from the 650s.

 

USG

 

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Thanks for more details.  However, even with the new drivers I will not say my T1 is HD650-like, far from it (at least to me).  I have not heard 650 but 600, and felt it was not my cup of tea.  I probably will not enjoy T1 as much if it is 650-like.  So I still feel that my T1 is much improved DT880/600 (BTW, I have never felt DT880 bright or edgy at all).  My T1 has higher resolution, more forward mid, and well-defined and controlled bass with better impact comparing to my DT880.  With some poor recording, I enjoy DT880 better since it makes such defect less apparent. DT880 is also very good for long-time (like 8-hours straight) listening.

 

But for properly recorded music and good DAC, my current T1 definitely offers different level of enjoyment. 

 

Again, the change of SQ between my driver replacement was on less edgy high and better lower end, but the SQ trend was still there.  No so dramatic to me but significant enough to help me enjoy T1 more.  I suspect that Beyer did not intentionally change the SQ and the changes may come from batch variation and listener's comprehension.
 

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Originally Posted by upstateguy View Post

 

I remember, Asr wrote a review of his T-1s where he said they sounded like 701s.  Although I felt my original T-1s sounded much better than my 701s, I could easily relate to his description because my T-1s were bright and bass light like my 701s.

 

The new T-1s, OTOH, are polar opposites of the 701s and sound very 650 like, with a warm laid back treble (though much more detailed and not laid back to the extent of the 650s) and a prodigious bass, which is in every way superior to the bass from the 650s.

 

USG

 



 


Edited by dukja - 6/2/11 at 10:26am
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Hi dukja

 

The difference between the two headphones is quite pronounced. There is no mistaking it.  The new ones have a noticeable bass presence and a distinct lack of brightness, while the originals were bright to the point where I posted, complaining about it, and I almost sold them because of it. 

 

Now the thing is, it seems that there were people who got the bassier ones the first time around.  Some of the early adopters described their T-1 as 'warm' sounding.  I never could understand that description because my original T-1s were anything but 'warm'.

 

I remember, Asr wrote a review of his T-1s where he said they sounded like 701s.  Although I felt my original T-1s sounded much better than my 701s, I could easily relate to his description because my T-1s were bright and bass light like my 701s.

 

The new T-1s, OTOH, are polar opposites of the 701s and sound very 650 like, with a warm laid back treble (though much more detailed and not laid back to the extent of the 650s) and a prodigious bass, which is in every way superior to the bass from the 650s.

 

USG

 


Eric:

Funny, my serial number is 1123 and mine have always sounded warm (warmer than my HD800s, K701s (now sold) and DT880s (now sold too)). I wonder if maybe there wasn't an "issue" with your T1s from Day 1?

Got them on right now with my WA2 and they are on the "warmer" side of neutral with plenty bass and no "fatiguing treble to speak of".
Edited by MacedonianHero - 6/2/11 at 6:05pm
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Hi dukja

 

The difference between the two headphones is quite pronounced. There is no mistaking it.  The new ones have a noticeable bass presence and a distinct lack of brightness, while the originals were bright to the point where I posted, complaining about it, and I almost sold them because of it. 

 

Now the thing is, it seems that there were people who got the bassier ones the first time around.  Some of the early adopters described their T-1 as 'warm' sounding.  I never could understand that description because my original T-1s were anything but 'warm'.

 

I remember, Asr wrote a review of his T-1s where he said they sounded like 701s.  Although I felt my original T-1s sounded much better than my 701s, I could easily relate to his description because my T-1s were bright and bass light like my 701s.

 

The new T-1s, OTOH, are polar opposites of the 701s and sound very 650 like, with a warm laid back treble (though much more detailed and not laid back to the extent of the 650s) and a prodigious bass, which is in every way superior to the bass from the 650s.

 

USG

 




Eric:

Funny, my serial number is 1123 and mine have always sounded warm (warmer than my HD800s, K701s (now sold) and DT880s (now sold too)). I wonder if maybe there wasn't an "issue" with your T1s from Day 1?

Got them on right now with my WA2 and they are on the "warmer" side of neutral with plenty bass and no "fatiguing treble to speak of".

 

 

You were one of the people I was referring to in the bold type above.  You got bassy ones right away.  So did Skylab.  But  just as many got bright ones.  Pataburd, Asr, dukja, and myself come to mind off the top of my head.....


I'll tell ya Peter, too many people have posted about having bright T-1s for it to be just my defective pair.....

 

My new T-1s sound exactly as you describe.  Plenty of bass, treble on the warm side of neutral and not fatiguing... except I have the new headband.... biggrin.gif

 

It will be interesting to see if the new ones are all the bassy versions.

 

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You were one of the people I was referring to in the bold type above.  You got bassy ones right away.  So did Skylab.  But  just as many got bright ones.  Pataburd, Asr, dukja, and myself come to mind off the top of my head.....


I'll tell ya Peter, too many people have posted about having bright T-1s for it to be just my defective pair.....

 

My new T-1s sound exactly as you describe.  Plenty of bass, treble on the warm side of neutral and not fatiguing... except I have the new headband.... biggrin.gif

 

It will be interesting to see if the new ones are all the bassy versions.

 


Very peculiar indeed Eric. Usually bass light and heavy happen at a particular time via a change by the manufacturer. But Skylab's and my pair are older than yours, Pata's, Asr's and dukja's? I believe you on the too many others have had similar sounding T1s too...very strange. confused.gif

The new headband does look nice though. Glad you finally got that issue settled buddy!
Edited by MacedonianHero - 6/2/11 at 6:50pm
post #465 of 10478
Thread Starter 

I think I have the bass heavy version as well since mine has a very HD600ish sound to it. Nice smooth treble and full mids with tight and impactful bass. It's odd there are two variations out there, just like with the 600Ohm DT770.
 

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Originally Posted by upstateguy View Post

 

You were one of the people I was referring to in the bold type above.  You got bassy ones right away.  So did Skylab.  But  just as many got bright ones.  Pataburd, Asr, dukja, and myself come to mind off the top of my head.....


I'll tell ya Peter, too many people have posted about having bright T-1s for it to be just my defective pair.....

 

My new T-1s sound exactly as you describe.  Plenty of bass, treble on the warm side of neutral and not fatiguing... except I have the new headband.... biggrin.gif

 

It will be interesting to see if the new ones are all the bassy versions.

 


Very peculiar indeed Eric. Usually bass light and heavy happen at a particular time via a change by the manufacturer. But Skylab's and my pair are older than yours, Pata's, Asr's and dukja's? I believe you on the too many others have had similar sounding T1s too...very strange. confused.gif

The new headband does look nice though. Glad you finally got that issue settled buddy!
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