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what are some of your opinions as the best amp for the T1s below $1000. I live in the UK so anyone else in the UK know any great amps for the T1s that are easily available in the UK.

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Go for a Corda Classic from Jan Meier. I got one and it is an awesome app for these cans
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Go for a Corda Classic from Jan Meier. I got one and it is an awesome app for these cans
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Go for a Corda Classic from Jan Meier. I got one and it is an awesome app for these cans
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Originally Posted by Taliesin View Post

what are some of your opinions as the best amp for the T1s below $1000. I live in the UK so anyone else in the UK know any great amps for the T1s that are easily available in the UK.

Go for Corda Classic, it is a great amp and postage is free from Jan
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Go for a Corda Classic from Jan Meier. I got one and it is an awesome app for these cans
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Originally Posted by Taliesin View Post

what are some of your opinions as the best amp for the T1s below $1000. I live in the UK so anyone else in the UK know any great amps for the T1s that are easily available in the UK.

Go for Corda Classic, it is a great amp and postage is free from Jan
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Originally Posted by Taliesin View Post

what are some of your opinions as the best amp for the T1s below $1000. I live in the UK so anyone else in the UK know any great amps for the T1s that are easily available in the UK.

 

SPL Auditor / Lake People G109-S / Violectric HPA V200 . (Thomann.de) If you don't mind to order from germany .


Edited by HaVoC-28 - 5/19/13 at 11:01am
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I swear I don't find my pair of T1's bright sounding at all.  I also owned the T70s Bright as hell.  Also heard a few of the DTs.  Again, bright as all get out.  My pair of T1's are not bright at all compared to any headphone I have or have owned.

 

Maybe we need to do some kind of cross reference.. to find out what's going on here..

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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

I swear I don't find my pair of T1's bright sounding at all.  I also owned the T70s Bright as hell.  Also heard a few of the DTs.  Again, bright as all get out.  My pair of T1's are not bright at all compared to any headphone I have or have owned.

 

Maybe we need to do some kind of cross reference.. to find out what's going on here..


Could be Beyer manufacturing variances documented by Purrin.

My pair was brighter than HD800 and DT880, dampened a bit warmer than both, took a bit of experimentation for me to find the right material to not affect the "good stuff", now they are easily one of my favorites.

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Originally Posted by Szadzik View Post

Go for a Corda Classic from Jan Meier. I got one and it is an awesome app for these cans

 

+1 on Classic (or used Concerto, both are basically the same from technical perspective).

 

Classic is now cheaper (until 21th June) and offers significantly better crossfeed circuit than Concerto + features Tonal balance switch, another pair of RCA inputs and should sound a bit warmer due to slightly different capacitors. You get active balanced ground driving technology (go balanced without the need for re-cable) and digital volume control (for improved SQ) with both mentioned Meier's amps.

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Preproman, you may be one of the few who don't think T1 as bright. On my current set up, T1s definitely are bright, albeit not as sibilant and untamed as D2000 highs. Recording dependent, I can stand T1 for from a few minutes to quite an extended duration.

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Originally Posted by ForsakenArcher View Post

Preproman, you may be one of the few who don't think T1 as bright. On my current set up, T1s definitely are bright, albeit not as sibilant and untamed as D2000 highs. Recording dependent, I can stand T1 for from a few minutes to quite an extended duration.


That's the phenomena I've experienced as well, on some material they are fine, but throw in something bright and they magnify that brightness like ten folds, you take phones off and your ears are ringing.

I've used Nightwish "Angels Fall First" 2008 remaster for testing, the album is quite bright to begin with but with T1 it's plain intolerable. Now with dampening, it's quite digestible, even enjoyable.

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Originally Posted by ForsakenArcher View Post

Preproman, you may be one of the few who don't think T1 as bright. On my current set up, T1s definitely are bright, albeit not as sibilant and untamed as D2000 highs. Recording dependent, I can stand T1 for from a few minutes to quite an extended duration.

Looking at your profile, which of your amps sounds least "bright" when using the Bifrost and T1?

My Soloist sounds way better with the T1 than does my DACmini CX (with 1-Ohm output impedance mod - which is more neutral sounding than the standard 10-Ohm version), but I really don't enjoy the T1 with Soloist - it's still too bright for my LCD-2 conditioned ears.

For a week now, I've been playing with a Decware ZSTAGE tube gain stage (it's sort of like a cross between a simple tube buffer - like the Decware ZBOX - and a triode tube pre-amp, in that it has a bias toggle switch, and a 0- to 5-Vrms variable gain control, but only has one pair of RCA inputs and outputs.)

Inserting the ZSTAGE between my DACmini CX DAC outputs and the Burson Soloist has not made much improvement in "curing" the brightness of the T1, at least not with the stock JJ 12AU7 triode, but I've ordered Radiotechnique and Siemens 12AU7s, that should add more bottom and warmth. Surely, with the right tube, I can move my T1 in the direction of how my LCD-2 sounds on my very neutral version of the DACmini CX amp.

The ZSTAGE is spectacularly transparent in my experience with it so far, and Steve Deckert says it's perhaps too transparent for his tastes. Sticking with transparent tubes, I'm hoping I can retain the wonderful transparency and resolution of the T1 and Soloist, while reshaping the frequencies for more energy in the bass and warmth in the mids.

In the ZSTAGE Owner's Manual, Steve Deckert explains that by adjusting its gain control to output less than unity gain while simultaneously increasing the volume at the amp to maintain a constant SPL at the headphones (or speakers), you can decrease both dynamics and weight. Conversely, Steve writes that you can increase the ZSTAGE gain, going higher that your DAC's 2Vrms, for example, (simultaneously decreasing the volume at the amp to maintain a constant SPL at the headphones) to actually increase the dynamics and weight. This is what sold me on getting the ZSTAGE, but in my experience thus far, volume-matched unity gain is occurring at about 3-0'clock on the ZSTAGE gain control, using the stock JJ tube with my DACmini's 2Vrms as input. This means that I end up with 3/4 of the ZSTAGE gain control range useful only for reducing dynamics and weight, with only 1/4 of the adjustment range available for increasing the volume-matched dynamics and weight -- BUT -- at or near maximum gain, I can hear distortion, in the bass frequencies especially.

Interestingly, when I drive the ZSTAGE with my 0.55 Vrms Sanza Clip+ (instead of with the 2Vrms DACmini CX DAC section), volume-matched unity gain occurs at about 7:30 on the gain control knob, which requires less attenuation at the Soloist, of course, but gives me about 4/5 of the gain control range with which to increase dynamics and weight (increasing attenuation at the amp as I do so) - but good news: I can't hear any distortion at maximum gain when using the 0.55Vrms Clip+ as my source, and best of all, Steve Deckert's claims regarding the ZSTAGE ability to tailor dynamics and weight, are readily apparent starting out with the lower input voltage. Some of the warmth I'm hearing may be coming from the Clip+, but I'm also hearing a wonderful authority and slam, with a very detailed, thick, presence that's definitely coming from the ZSTAGE overdriving the Soloist, because it's nowhere near as nice with the Clip+ directly feeding the Soloist.

Burson support has told me, by the way, that they've tested the Soloist at inputs as high as 12 Vrms, with no evidence of distortion or any other ill effects, so I believe the distortion I hear with the 2Vrms DACmini CX and ZSTAGE gain at maximum gain, is entirely happening in the ZSTAGE. I have therefore ordered a pair of 6dB Harrison Labs inline attenuators to bring the DACmini CX line out down to 0.50Vrms.

So... Right now, having not yet tested the tubes I've ordered, my favorite combo for the T1 is (believe it or not):

Sanza Clip+ (no Rockbox) > Decware ZSTAGE (with stock JJ 12AU7) at maximum gain and bias switch in the up position > Burson Soloist > T1

More later...

Mike
Edited by zilch0md - 5/19/13 at 3:24pm
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I will say Asgard with T1 is the least bright. But I use only Asgard and Lyr for T1. The rest of my amps are pretty much stored away or portable use. Lyr with 6N1P tubes are less bright than other tubes yet still more dynamic and lively than Asgard with a touch of warmth. I find bugle boys and Siemens E88CC to be quite bright with T1 but clearer and more detailed , although they make my beloved HD600 more adorable. Thats the trade off I am having with Lyr and tubes. I am now waiting for Meier Classic which was recently dispatched.

 

Oh, yeah. I like Nightwish a lot. I can listen to their Once and Dark Passion Play albums many times over. Tarja's voice in Creek Mary's Blood with T1 is simply amazing. I need to turn the volume knot down a bit due to sometimes harsh nature of the music. For other bands like Sirenia and Tristania, I'd rather use HD600. :D


Edited by ForsakenArcher - 5/19/13 at 1:29pm
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You just reminded me i plan to use the Meier classic in a dac comparison. It's some time since i listened to classic/T1, so i just spun a handful of tracks from beethoven sonata 32, some jazz, led zeppelin moby dick, and michael manring bass.

It is very complete amp. It does everything well. Soundstage and imaging is good, bass taut, treble extended without tizz or sibilance. It is, naturally, very neutral. Jan described it as a touch warmer than the concerto. This may be true, but certainly it is not warm in the way I hear my violectric v100, which can be a little muddy too. I hear the difference as the classic having more natural decay, where the concerto is very quick and (perhaps because of) noticeably dry.

Outstandingly, it is very well balanced and doesn't hide low-level detail: it is easy to hear the ambience of the setting when recorded in a hall or live venue for example.

For me, the best test - as i used to play piano - was the beethoven. It sounded just right, with harmonic colours and textures sounding and decaying very naturally.

Overall, a pairing i would happily listen to with any of the types of material i listed above. It doesn't overstate anything, letting the detail of the T1 shine and just letting the music sound as I imagine it is meant. Makes it very easy to relax into the music and forget the gear.
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I see you have a meier classic. Any impression of T1 on classic? I ordered one recently to pair it with T1, it is on spring sales discount by Jan as well.
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^ just another thought, the bifrost has been reported by some as a touch sibilant. I never heard this, but find the overall balance slightly bright. Fine with lcd2, but maybe too much with the T1, especially if you have a bright one??

The impressions above were with the Meier stagedac, which is very neutral/balanced too except for a touch of added vocal presence which I since heard is a characteristic of wolfson chips...
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