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post #4141 of 8077

I have a T1 #95xx and I don't hear this crazy spike people are talking about. I wish someone would take some measurements of later serial #s.

post #4142 of 8077

Beyer tends to change things over time.  Maybe it is time for me to get a current sample and measure again.  I'll keep it in mind.

post #4143 of 8077
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Originally Posted by mellowbob View Post

I have a T1 #95xx and I don't hear this crazy spike people are talking about. I wish someone would take some measurements of later serial #s.

 

 

well i've 98xx had 2, now 1, and i feel the spike, but not crazy, just substantially more than with any of my other cans, only with certain vocals, and only with powerful amps, like the v200, which is really smooth with the hd800 on the other hand

 

with less powerful amps the bass is very flat, but with powerful ones the spike gets more noticeable

 

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Originally Posted by Tyll Hertsens View Post

Beyer tends to change things over time.  Maybe it is time for me to get a current sample and measure again.  I'll keep it in mind.

 

change on purpose?

 

cos some complained about driver imbalance, others about stereo imaging, others about treble spikes,

 

what i feel is a surround but precise stereo imaging with very immediate depth imaging and range, and the high spl in sibilant vocal recordings, which i can suppress with eq  in the 6 to 9 khz range, but which i do not cos it's not that bad and limited to recordings that exhibit sibilance per se, and very amp dependent treble, something like a very efficient treble compared to mids and especially bass

 

and all the other thing that i stated in my other posts earlier in this thread

 

tongue_smile.gif so maybe take 10 samples from different series and tell us which one is "best" deadhorse.gif

 

btw did anyone question beyerdynamic about all the qualities, "issues", and the concept regarding the t1 design, any interviews, articles, anything?

post #4144 of 8077
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Originally Posted by Magiv9 View Post

Does the T1 and WA2 need a warm or neutral dac?

I'm not sure if I'll need the optional DIR9001 or not. (will use coaxial from stx).
http://www.audio-gd.com/Pro/dac/NFB1.32/NFB1.32EN_Custom.htm


Though a little outside of your budget, of the two DAC's that I use with my T1, the warmer is more enjoyable. The Benchmark that I own, a DAC both renowned and reviled for its clinical presentation is not on par with either of the other two. The PWD MKII, a warmer dac has better synergy with the T1 than my W4S Dac 2 > Audiophilleo. While I don't like to use the word neutral, considering that there is no true reference standard for neutral that I'm aware of; the W4S certainly is less warm, less textural, less dynamic, less solid (hell, I've never heard a DAC that is simultaneously so focused and solid as the PWD) but the W4S is also less colored. It's more adept at providing broader staging (with greater separation) and a more precise imaging experience.

 

The T1's, as they are stock, image as well as any dynamic headphone I've heard. They have a wonderfully deep soundstage, that can vary a great deal respective to the recording. They can be peaky for some and downright bright for others and are just shy of being ruthlessly revealing in their ability to extract detail. For this reason a warmer DAC, that caters more to PRAT, dynamics and solidity would be better suited I think to the T1. There are others that mention the T1 can be boring relative to their other cans, namely the HD800. While I can see their point, I have seldom had this experience, with a few aberrant acoustic albums that I now know to avoid. Get a DAC that stresses rhythm and jump-out-your-seat-factor in lieu of more clinical offerings.

 

When you're at the precipice of spending say $600 on a DAC, my advice would usually be to wait a bit and save a bit more. Get to the 1k range and buy used, where you can find some wonderful values. For instance, when buying used you can find a W4S Dac 1 for $700 and an additional $400 for an Audiophilleo, which blows the snot out of my Nuforce HDP or the upgraded DACMagic that I auditioned. Similarly the EE Minimax (non plus) gives you the flexibility of a tube/solid state sound, with rollable opamps that similarly kicks the **** of the aforementioned cheaper offerings. I've seen the Minimax go for as low as $550 on Audiogon. As far as I'm concerned, with a flourishing used market, with members that are conscientious of treating their gear delicately, there is absolutely no reason to purchase new, and especially at that price range, where you may find yourself changing gear every few months.


Edited by ericfarrell85 - 5/5/13 at 11:43am
post #4145 of 8077
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Originally Posted by Tyll Hertsens View Post

Gotta read the by-lines, that's a John Grandberg review. 

 

Still don't like the T1s...sorry.

Oh, my bad! Everything is still in it's right place :p

post #4146 of 8077
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Originally Posted by Kirnupiima View Post

Oh, my bad! Everything is still in it's right place :p

beerchug.gif

post #4147 of 8077
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Originally Posted by Tyll Hertsens View Post

Beyer tends to change things over time.  Maybe it is time for me to get a current sample and measure again.  I'll keep it in mind.

 

you can also consider/feature the felt dampening mod done for T1 for the earlier S/N's :)  

post #4148 of 8077
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Originally Posted by xnuthecaveman View Post

 

you can also consider/feature the felt dampening mod done for T1 for the earlier S/N's :)  

Would you email me a link to that mod?

 

tyll(at)innerfidelity(dot)com

post #4149 of 8077

^ email sent :)

post #4150 of 8077

why has inner fidelity not done a review of the t1? frown.gif

post #4151 of 8077
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Originally Posted by magiccabbage View Post

why has inner fidelity not done a review of the t1? frown.gif

 

Cause Tyll don't like T1 sound . (At least the samples that he had )

post #4152 of 8077
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Originally Posted by magiccabbage View Post

why has inner fidelity not done a review of the t1? frown.gif

 

 

Why do they need to wink_face.gif

post #4153 of 8077
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

 

 

Why do they need to wink_face.gif

 

Because some folks consider their review as gospel

 

;)

post #4154 of 8077
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Originally Posted by Bloodflowerz View Post

 

Because some folks consider their review as gospel

 

;)

 

 

To bad for those folks..beerchug.gif

post #4155 of 8077
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

 

 

To bad for those folks..beerchug.gif

 

+1

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